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Crush of applications to delay concealed weapons permits (Wisconsin)
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 1/2/2012 | JS Online

Posted on 01/02/2012 11:42:12 AM PST by UB355

Madison - Wisconsin residents have overwhelmed the state Justice Department with so many concealed weapon permit applications agency officials say they probably won't meet deadlines for issuing approvals this month despite pulling dozens of employees from other tasks to help.

A state law that allows Wisconsin residents to carry concealed weapons went into effect Nov. 1. Under the law, state residents 21 or older who submit $50 to the Justice Department, pass an agency background check and prove they have received some firearms training can obtain a permit to carry. The law requires the agency to process applications received before Nov. 30 within 45 days. Any applications received after that date must be processed within 21 days.

As of Dec. 28, the Department of Justice had received 64,832 applications, issued 36,373 permits and denied 800, mostly because addresses applicants submitted didn't match their addresses in state Department of Transportation records, department spokeswoman Dana Brueck said.

Brian O'Keefe, Law Enforcement Services Division administrator, said the agency has received anywhere from hundreds to thousands of applications in a single day. He said the agency likely will need one to two extra days beyond the 45- and 21-day windows to get permits processed for several weeks starting in early January.

"It's been a tremendous task for DOJ to try to keep up," O'Keefe said. "We'll always try to do what the law mandates we do . . . (but) we're going to have a two-week period where we're below the limits."

The law doesn't impose any sanctions or penalties on the department or guarantee an applicant's approval if the agency fails to meet the deadlines. But people anxious to get their permits could find themselves waiting several days longer.

Jen Esser, a spokeswoman for Sen. Pam Galloway (R-Wausau), one of the law's chief authors, said the Justice Department hasn't shared any word of the delays with Galloway and declined to comment further. Messages left for the bill's chief sponsor in the Assembly, Rep. Jeff Mursau, R-Crivitz, and his aides weren't returned.

The concealed carry law authorized $236,700 drawn from application fees for 11 new Department of Justice hires to help process applications, including 10 six-month employees whose jobs will end in March. However, the agency has been operating with only 10 of the new positions; two of the six-month workers left and the agency re-filled only one of the positions. End-of-the-year holidays have slowed processing down, as well. O'Keefe said he's been forced to pull sometimes dozens of other employees a day from their regular tasks to work on applications.

Most of the workers have come from the agency's administrative arm, including employees from the training and standards bureau, the criminal history division and the records division. They've worked on days off and postponed vacations into next year to devote more time to the applications, O'Keefe said. The department has paid out about $30,000 in overtime on application work between Nov. 4 and Dec. 17, according to the agency's most recent figures, Brueck said.

The extra work on the applications hasn't directly affected criminal investigations, officials said. No special agents or crime lab specialists have been pulled off cases to help. But O'Keefe said moving so many administrative workers onto the applications has resulted in delays in updating criminal histories and scanning old histories into electronic formats. The agency also has been forced to postpone some training seminars.

"You start to get a sense of how busy we are right now," he said. "But because of the sheer volume and tight time limits we have to have our employees do this."

The Legislature's budget committee earlier this month approved a department request to spend $1.5 million from application fees to hire more than two dozen additional employees to help with applications over the next two fiscal years. Eleven six-month employees will start work on Jan. 3 but will need up to a month of training. The remaining 14.5 employees will start in March, after the nine current limited-term positions end.

Once the first 11 employees are up to speed, department officials plan to move administrative personnel back to their regular tasks full-time. Two workers within the second group of employees will focus on developing an electronic application system that will allow online applications and provide upgraded interfaces with other state and federal agencies, reducing the need for man hours.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; bureaucracy; carry; ccw; wi

1 posted on 01/02/2012 11:42:14 AM PST by UB355
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To: UB355

Let me guess.... a bunch of union employees who are pulling this crap in an effort to bolster the anti-Walker recall project.


2 posted on 01/02/2012 11:44:07 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: UB355

If they do not issue a justified denial by the statutory deadline, carry without a permit should be legal.


3 posted on 01/02/2012 11:44:14 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Beelzebubba

in MN, if they don’t meet the deadline it’s “deemed approved”.

Rats should like that since they like to “deem” bills passed.

IMHO, not having penalties for missing deadlines is just defacto gun control.


4 posted on 01/02/2012 11:52:06 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: UB355

...but try not paing your taxes on time.


5 posted on 01/02/2012 11:54:28 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: TheBattman

Sounds like they are verifying their targets for harassment/ monitoring. A sign of desperate democrats ready to pounce on the second amendment, or at least prepare some contingency plan on detaining citizens who would rise up against the ruling class...for our own good.


6 posted on 01/02/2012 12:15:16 PM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: UB355

“Wisconsin residents have overwhelmed the state Justice Department with so many concealed weapon permit applications agency officials say they probably won’t meet deadlines for issuing approvals this month despite pulling dozens of employees from other tasks to help. “

Every state has its own dynamic, but there will be a number of applications beyond which politicians will consider those people to be a ‘voting block’ with interests to protect.

As usual, the picture painted by the antis and their fellow travelers in the media was so diametrically opposite from this reality that they should forever discredited. But I am not so foolish as to think that will ever be the case.

It will be very difficult to put this horse back in the barn. In fact, as more people gain experience being able to carry concealed, after a while it will seem almost unnatural to leave home without your Glock.


7 posted on 01/02/2012 12:24:27 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: UB355

I’d have happily waited a little longer during this initial permit period. Hiring extra people at $1.5 million is a waste of money.


8 posted on 01/02/2012 1:58:18 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: UB355

Maybe the Dem-bulbs are slowing down the processing of the paperwork because more CCWs on the street translates into less crime and the loss of Dem voters who decide to commit a crime against a CCW holder.


9 posted on 01/02/2012 2:08:03 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: gorush
they're likely paying licensed peace officers OT to do a simple background check that could be done by sheriff's office civilian employees for half the cost.
10 posted on 01/02/2012 2:11:04 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: UB355
I heard someone say the other day that this country used to have a 2nd Amendment that applied to most anyone not in jail !

Imagine that !

11 posted on 01/02/2012 2:51:07 PM PST by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: UB355; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; TaMoDee; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ..

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12 posted on 01/02/2012 3:40:33 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: TheBattman
Let me guess.... a bunch of union employees who are pulling this crap in an effort to bolster the anti-Walker recall project.

I don't think so. I have been watching the situation pretty closely. I'd say the Wisconsin workers are doing a good job with what they have. The administration just cut it a little to fine in trying to keep the resources used to a minimum.

My interpretation is that the administration thought that the number of permits would taper off a little faster than it has. I give them pretty high marks. It looks as though only a small number of permits will fall outside the required times.

13 posted on 01/02/2012 3:41:40 PM PST by marktwain
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To: gorush

I agree with you. It is pointless to spend money unnecessarily when all we need is a little patience.


14 posted on 01/02/2012 3:42:40 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: theBuckwheat; All
It will be very difficult to put this horse back in the barn. In fact, as more people gain experience being able to carry concealed, after a while it will seem almost unnatural to leave home without your Glock.

It is my understanding that no concealed carry permit law has been repealed once it has been passed. You are correct in your assessment.

15 posted on 01/02/2012 3:44:50 PM PST by marktwain
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To: theBuckwheat
It will be very difficult to put this horse back in the barn. In fact, as more people gain experience being able to carry concealed, after a while it will seem almost unnatural to leave home without your Glock.

I hope you're right. My dad is kind of freaked out by the idea of anybody near him having a gun. For a week after I got my gun, any time the doorbell rang my dad would scream "Don't shoot 'em!"
16 posted on 01/02/2012 4:06:24 PM PST by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: Ellendra

LOL!


17 posted on 01/02/2012 5:03:09 PM PST by rabidralph
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