Skip to comments.Fat Head: You've been fed a load of bologna
Posted on 01/02/2012 4:48:28 PM PST by bigtoona
Someone mentioned this movie earlier today in another thread. I watched it on Amazon streaming video this afternoon(also avaialble on Netflix) and it was excellent! Its motivating me to lose some weight and there are stunning facts that literally made my wife get up and grab a hunk of peperoni from the fridge and eat it! She hasn't eaten pepperoni or bacon in over two years because she worries about cholesterol.
This is essentially a response to the Super Size me movie. It debunks the the twisted information in that movie as well as the whole government anti-obesity movement. The thing that shocked me the most is that the cholesterol advice we all follow has no basis in scientific fact whatsoever. In fact, all of the studies that exist show that eating more animal fat is actually better for your heart health than eating vegetable oil and loads of carbs. These studies are of course shut down and marginalized by big agra-business and the vegetarian movement. Gotta keep the grant money flowing ya know!
And this is newsworthy...why?
It’s true, fat has taken a bad rap. Empty carbs are the real culprit, like doughnuts. Eat all the fat you want, just don’t fry it.
Big agra-business no doubt does *way* more business selling to vegetarians than it does providing animal feed to those farmers who supply the meat and poultry industry.
Cows get all fatty eating only grass and grain. The type of chickens that are raised for human consumption have to be killed at a very young age or their hearts explode.
The human body doesn't turn fat into fat - not even the "food pyramid" dumbasses ever dared to claim that. It's common knowledge that unburned calories and starches are what's turned into fat - so I'm not sure why anyone is still being taught the "fat makes you fat" lie.
Cholesterol is a waxy by product of vital organs. Cow cholesterol isn't turned into human cholesterol.
Bottom line: Unless you have some condition that dictates otherwise, eat all the meat you want. Avoid starches and sugars, most especially processed flours and sugars.
Meat is good!
So why are you a vegetarian, do you not like the taste of meat? I love salads, nuts, fruit, beans etc. but I am not vegetarian because I also like beef and pork as well as chicken, fish, eggs, etc.
Great book on food and health...
“Never Be Sick Again”
“Never Be Fat Again”
(the info overlaps, so just get one of them)
By Raymond Francis
The Paleo Diet book, quite frankly, is annoying. The first 1/3 is all repetitive sales pitch. The middle 1/3 is the key info, and the last 1/3, as I remember, is recipes & references. BUT it does work, and I recommend looking into it regardless of this fluff. Also, IMO it is actually a bit less sustainable than Atkins, but a lot more healthy and a lot more worth sticking with, so I will. I absolutely have to teach myself to like fish. Up to now, I don't and it is an enormous limiter for my paleo efforts.
Both of my athlete sons are using it (Paleo for Athletes - modified a bit from the "starting point" book). They are experiencing very impressive results. The older of my boys is on a full athletic scholarship. He recommended paleo to my younger son after he and various teammates became stronger, lighter and developed increased cardio capacity using it. He had always been an exceptionally dedicated and disciplined eater before this, so when he reported benefits I took notice. So did his younger brother; he dove into it and lost around 10 lbs of weight he has been trying to peel away for over two years while consistently increasing his maximum lifts at the gym.
Regarding "No Jobs", some have speculated that Jobs' vegetarian diet may have turned his system acidic, and could have been a cause, or contributing factor of his cancer. While this can never be more than (mostly idle)speculation, the paleo info regarding this, and my own observed metabolic changes do make me go: "hmmmm...".
Eat all the fat you want, just dont fry it.
Perhaps it depends on the individual. I have unsuccessfully tried the Atkins diet twice.
I am not a believer in the "eat right for your blood type" hype but some people do better on a high meat diet and some do better on a high carb diet. We were not all punched out of the same mold.
You need to try different diets until you find the one that works for you
The Paleo Diet:
Lose Weight and Get
Healthy by Eating the Food
You Were Designed to Eat
by Loren Cordain
Eat Like a Caveman
to Achieve a Lean,
Strong, Healthy Body
by Raymond V. Audette
with Troy Gilchrist
foreword by Michael R. Eades
Ten Thousand Years from Eden:
The Long Search for a
Personal Nutrition From
our Forest Origins to the
Supermarkets of Today
by Charles Heizer Wharton
Health Secrets of
the Stone Age
by Philip J. Goscienski
Get plenty of exercise. Have a diet as varied as possible. People of one racial/regional heritage may be different from others (e.g., equatorial/Asian, diet heavy in grains, heavy physical regimen vs sedentary, height, etc.). I’m not a doctor but have engaged in several extremely strenuous sports, duties and other activities over several decades.
We switched to paleo in November. We are losing weight and are not even trying. Best paleo breakfast ever: bacon, green onions, mushrooms, spinach, eggs and a little cheddar.
A few times, over the course of a decade, I tried to lose weight by following the mainstream advice (eat less, exercise more, eat less saturated fat, eat more “healthy” whole grains). It always led me to frustration, anxiety, powerful hunger pangs, and very little (zero permanent) weight loss.
Then about a year ago, I encountered the high-fat/low-carb/moderate-protein Atkins diet as explained by
Dr. Eric Westman
and Jimmy Moore (who lost 180 pounds on LCHF)
I also learned about the toxins in the industrial strains of wheat (http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/) and in vegetable oils.
In January 2010, I started eating low-refined-carb/high-saturated-fat and cut wheat and vegetable oil out of my diet. I lost 60 pounds in 6 months doing hardly any exercise and not experiencing the previous powerful hunger pangs. Since July of last year my weight has stabilized at what I weighed after high-school graduation. I’d thought I’d never see a normal weight again! My mood is very much improved, and I’m more energetic than I’ve been in years. My vital stats improved as well.
Due to a congenital hiatal hernia that causes stomach acid reflux and severe heartburn in my esophagus, I had been on a regular prilosec/protonix/nexium/prevacid/omeprazole prescription for over 20 years. After two months of eating this way, I no longer needed any of this medication! I cannot express to you how much this surprised and delighted me after 20 years of suffering — my GERD doctors always told me to avoid high-fat foods!
Last May my father-in-law had to have a gangrenous leg amputated due to diabetes. The other leg was also at risk. I told him about my new diet and how successful and easy it became after the first month. To my surprise he actually listened to me, decided to follow the diet, and lost 40 pounds. His high blood pressure cleared up, his high blood sugars came down, and his circulation in his remaining leg improved to the point that he is now walking around on it! (with a prosthesis on the other leg.) Needless to say, he is very enthusiastic about low-carb/high-fat.
One of the ladies who works in my dentist’s office, asked me how I lost so much weight. After I told her, she decided to try it and lost 20 pounds.
My wife, who was already at a normal BMI a year ago, has lost over 10 pounds (still normal) eating these high-fat foods with me.
In November, my mother finally decided to try eating this way too. So far, she too has lost 10 pounds in a couple of months.
After all the research I’ve done and experiences I’ve had in the past year regarding nutrition and health, I now believe the mainstream advice to society at large is erroneous and driven by bad science and perverse incentives. I say, eat like our ancestors did (whole foods). Cheap, processed foods like refined carbs and vegetable oils are new creations which didn’t exist until relatively recently in human history. Many people’s bodies just can’t cope with them long-term in the quantities they occur in the standard American diet.
With regard to the movie Fat Head, I saw and loved it. Tom Naughton is pretty good at making the science of nutrition entertaining. If you liked Fat Head, you may also enjoy his comedic talk at the Ancestral Health Symposium (”Science for Smart People”) here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXUldijo13g (Unfortunately the slides don’t seem to be redistributable under fair-use, so it’s hard to watch at first but gets better.)
Everything in moderation. If you are over weight or gaining weight, then more moderation is the key. Simple as that. It really is. Of course, simple does not mean easy...
I’m a meat-eating vegetarian...
The amazing thing to me is how quickly my tastes changed. I'm eating fish now. I'm eating sardines! I even like them, a little. I have absolutely no craving for carbs - I was in the store the day before Christmas and they had a giant display of Christmas cookies, all I thought was "gross, poison." Last year I would have bought a box and they would have disappeared within a day.
Black coffee. It's a godsend. I need to cut back!
Trips to the store are quite interesting, aren't they? I now can pass by whole aisles, which contain nothing of interest. I'm a regular at the local whole-foods coop, right alongside the crunchy hippy-types. They're not too bad when they bathe, some of the girls are cute.
I throw in a little red wine if it's the weekend!
BYW - try this one: Go to Wally World (Walmart) for the canned pears and pineapple (in their own juice, no added sugar) - $.99 each. Grab a bag of cleaned fresh spinach, and the Silk (or what ever brand you like) coconut milk. Place the whole can of pears, juice and all, into a blender. Add 1/2 of the pineapple (w/o juice) from the other can. Fill the rest of the blender w/ spinach and add 1 cup of the coconut milk. Cover your blender and crank it on high for a minute or two, then enjoy!
My sons call it a green monster. If you add baby carrots it's good too. I call that one a Linda Blair because of the color, but it hasn't caught on; they have never seen the movie.
I’m a lesbian trapped in a male body.
I was having a conversation about this subject the other day. I was asked how I stay so slim (6’- 170 lbs) and have been this weight since I was 22. I am now in my mid 50’s.
I eat mostly meats and fresh veggies and fruit and drink my carbs (homebrewed beer).
Even my Doc said that it is a very workable strategy.
It certainly works for me :)
Me too. I’ve been trying to get pregnant all my life, won’t quit trying.
I disagree. No, it is not that simple, except to say (or write). And I'm not willing to let you off the hook just because you admit it may not be easy. You seem to imply that it is just a matter of will power. As someone who has dropped weight and added muscle by way of dedication to "proper" exercise and conventional nutrition I can readily testify that you are oversimplifying the issue.
Some say it is just a matter of calories, but WHAT you eat to obtain those calories matters every bit as much as the calorie count - in fact, it is substantially more critical. Atkins, Paleo, Weight Watchers, the various "eat yourself thin" programs, and others are not bunk. They are successful because, to varying degrees, and in different ways, they deal with the glycemic roller coaster issue that causes the storing of fat, hunger pangs and energy slumps.
You may be blessed with a metabolism that allows you to eat what you want. Perhaps you are still young enough that your metabolism has not slowed. Maybe you are in a job that includes physical activity. It could be a combination of these and any number of other factors. I don't know.
What I DO know is that the idea of "simple moderation" while doable, is like trying to build a house with your bare hands: of course it can be done - but it is easier, faster and provides better results if one uses the right tools. Millions of other people know it too.
The police aren't going to like that.
Sounds yummy. Tonight I made antediluvian meat pizza for dinner. Lean hamburger pressed into a pizza pan for the ‘crust’ then topped with pizza sauce, shrooms, parsley, chopped fresh spinach, pepperoni,red and green pepper slices and thin sliced onion. Covered that with mozzarella then sprinkled with crushed red pepper flakes for a spicy kick. Turned out awesome!
Your smoothie recipe sounds tasty! I’ll have to try it. Have you tried adding cottage cheese to up the protein?
My friend, I have been in the iron game for decades, losing and gaining 50 lbs at a time, all to look ripped, and then to gain more muscle for the next season. Never got paid for it, but I earned my dues as well. It really is that simple. It has been studied before, cohorts of people, living inside what was basically a bomb calorimeter. What they found is that, ultimately, it WAS about calories. Oh sure, there were differences in metabolism, IIRC, about up to 5% or so, with a few outliers who really did have screwed up metabolisms. But you cannot fool the laws of physics... now.. THAT SAID...
While the energy equation cannot be fooled as it is the LAW, WHAT you eat DOES have a big effect on how MUCH you eat. I was eating Atkins (Cyclic version actually), back when the AMA was saying it was going to kill you. I knew about the pitfalls of eating too much fructose, back when it was being sold as the "better" sugar. I am 100% in favor of a "Paleo" type diet. South beach, lower carb intake, reducing the intake of processed and simple carbs. That is real. But believe me, if you eat one of those diets and STILL over eat, you will get fat. Luckily, those diets tend to blunt the appetite, so they can work quite well.
I'm not saying that a good diet is not important, I am saying that you still can't over eat on them and expect to lose weight.
Or would you try to convince us that you could get every bit as cut (exact same results) eating 1700 calories per day of Hostess Twinkies instead of 1700 calories of egg whites, lean sirloin, skinless chicken breasts, protein isolate shakes, etc? After all, it's a simple formula...
Your second paragraph concedes the point. So I say again: the idea of "simple moderation" while doable, is like trying to build a house with your bare hands: of course it can be done - but it is easier, faster and provides better results if one uses the right tools. You know it better than probably 98% of the people out there, so why contest it?
I still say it is “simple”, you could tell the vast majority of people how to do it in one paragraph, its just not easy. Getting “ripped” is a whole other matter, for most people, thats not even a good state to be in. But I would agree that 1700 calories of twinkies is not the same as 1700 calories of a “healthy” diet, although it would probably lead to similar weights, the twinky diet would probably kill you, it is so nutrient deficient. But those are the extremes. I’ve had friends do well on an Ornish diet, and others who at nothing but meat and raw veggies. Just pick the diet you can do and stick to it.
processed foods like refined carbs and vegetable oils are new creations which didnt exist until relatively recently in human history.
Easily digestible carbs are fairly rare in nature. Unless it is the fruiting season when berries are on the vine or apples are on the trees, simple sugars are not something you will find in any abundance.
And vegetable oils? When’s the last time you bit into an ear of corn and oil just dripped out? Except for nuts and a few other foods, oils simply are not a predominant component of vegetables. It takes alot of energy to manufacture oils, and vegetables have to spend their energy budget on creating flowers and producing seed.
The whole “agricultural revolution” thing has been vastly overhyped, humans having a significant part of their diet from domesticated agriculture being a phenomena that really is the last 10,000 years or so.
And interestingly, even those societies whos diets are heavily from agriculture have almost all, without exception, some animal component to their diet, either from livestock or from fishing/hunting.
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