FINAL CURTAIN: OBAMA SIGNS IMDEFINITE DETENTION OF CITIZENS INTO LAW AS FINAL ACT OF 2011

JonathanTurley.org ^ | January 2, 2012 | Jonathan Turley

[Secret Agent Man]

But, he said he won’t use it.

And there are no death panels.

And GM paid us back.

And Barry got Osama.

And he’s natural born and doesn’t have 19 different SSNs.

[Pipe Dog]

4 later

[willamedwardwallace]

http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2008/11/13/bogus-khrushchev-quote-makes-the-rounds-again.htm

[willamedwardwallace]

Granted, the general gist of the quote was real... the Soviets certainly intended to subvert our system of government and replace it with communism. However, there is no original source that directly points to this quote ever being directly uttered.

It doesn’t ever help to spread urban legends to prove a point, because these are the types of things that the left will latch onto to make our side look stupid.

[emax]

But that bill doesnt eliminate the right an accused citizen would have to an appeal or trial before losing their citizenship. They could still appeal just like in any other accusation and it would have to be proven ina court of law that they provided material support to a terrorist organization or actively and purposefully engaged in hostilies.

[willamedwardwallace]

http://books.google.com/books?id=NCOEYJ0q-DUC&lpg=PA59&ots=hASuXzC_GF&dq=%22You%20Americans%20are%20so%20gullible.%20No%2C%20you%20won%E2%80%99t%20accept%20communism%20outright%2C%20but%20we%E2%80%99ll%20keep%20feeding%20you%20small%20doses%20of%20socialism%20until%20you%E2%80%99ll%20finally%20wake%20up%20and%20find%20you%20already%20have%20communism.%20We%20won%E2%80%99t%20have%20to%20fight%20you.%20We%E2%80%99ll%20so%20weaken%20your%20economy%20until%20you%E2%80%99ll%20fall%20like%20overripe%20fruit%20into%20our%20hands.%22&pg=PA59#v=onepage&q=%22You%20Americans%20are%20so%20gullible.%20No%2C%20you%20won%E2%80%99t%20accept%20communism%20outright%2C%20but%20we%E2%80%99ll%20keep%20feeding%20you%20small%20doses%20of%20socialism%20until%20you%E2%80%99ll%20finally%20wake%20up%20and%20find%20you%20already%20have%20communism.%20We%20won%E2%80%99t%20have%20to%20fight%20you.%20We%E2%80%99ll%20so%20weaken%20your%20economy%20until%20you%E2%80%99ll%20fall%20like%20overripe%20fruit%20into%20our%20hands.%22&f=false

[redpoll]

>>>It is very likely they would if the govt truly tried to detain a random number fo US Citizens because they didnt like what they said or simply because, for instance, they took part in Teap Party or OWS movements. SCOTUS has ruled these kinds of detentions as unconstitutional several times before.<<<

I don’t think they’ll do the old Stalinesque trick of having every city arrest 100 people at random to instill terror. I think they’ll carefully assess who to arrest, and at what moment, and skillfully manipulate the message and media in order to make it clear that the state is not to be questioned. All it took for many years was popping Randy Weaver’s wife and burning a church filled with “cultists.” Modern media will inflate the few picked as examples so it will seem like 100 people at random in every city. Gosh, keep your guns, listen to Rush, go and pray. As long as you your complaints are impotent and your guns are in the closet, they won’t mind at all.

[Hoosier-Daddy]

and Seal Team Six is still alive.

[GGMac]

At the “discussed earlier” link in Turley’s article above -
comments [appx.200] are for the most part by libs. They are livid over this law; are disgusted with Obama, and the universal tone is that this action of Obie’s is the last straw.

Another theme - horrifying - is that many of them plan to register as Republicans so they can vote in the primaries, for Ron Paul! They want Paul to get the nomination - then they’ll use him as their means to vote Obama out. Paul would then be their very own anti-war, anti-Obama savior - and one who’s definitely not an evil Republican. They don’t care that Paul’s a racist, since Obama’s a racist and nobody seems bothered by it. [nobody but Republicans and conservatives] A bit of liberals’ true colors showing through on the race score.

[Rennes Templar]

“A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States...”

Too much latitude for interpretation here. What are associated forces? What kind of hostilities?

OWS is a loose association that was hostile at times. Will they still get due process if they reconvene and become violent?

[RightFighter]

Did you read the part that says it doesn’t apply to citizens of the United States, lawful resident aliens, or those captured within the borders of the United States?

[Yosemitest]

You missed it. Read the original article again.

"One successful myth is that there is an exception for citizens.
The White House is saying that changes to the law made it unnecessary to veto the legislation.
That spin is facially ridiculous.
The changes were the inclusion of some meaningless rhetoric after key amendments protecting citizens were defeated.
The provision merely states that nothing in the provisions could be construed to alter Americans’ legal rights.
Since the Senate clearly views citizens are not just subject to indefinite detention but even execution without a trial,
the change offers nothing but rhetoric to hide the harsh reality.
The Administration and Democratic members are in full spin — using language designed to obscure the authority given to the military.
The exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032) is the screening language for the next section, 1031,
which offers no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial."

[Yosemitest]

Read post #92.

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mark

[Jay Santos CP]

It takes more than a president to get this crap enacted.

That observation deserves repetition.

[Typical_Whitey]

and his own base who would be storming the white house if it were Bush doing this is completely silent.... Liberals are proving themselves to be unprincipled hypocrites and foolish tools of big government enslavement.

[Yosemitest]

Rule number ONE: Liberals Lie! So don't trust your "books google.com source".

Ezra Taft Benson, Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture, the first man the US Press predicted to be outed from the administration given his staunch anti-communist and severe anti-socialist policies stated the agenda of what he called the "socialist-communist conspiracy:"

“I have talked face to face with the godless communist leaders. It may surprise you to learn that I was host to Mr. Kruschev for a half day when he visited the United States, not that I’m proud of it. I opposed his coming then, and I still feel it was a mistake to welcome this atheistic murderer as a state visitor. But, according to President Eisenhower, Kruschev had expressed a desire to learn something of American Agriculture — and after seeing Russian agriculture I can understand why. As we talked face to face, he indicated that my grandchildren would live under communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in my power to assure that his and all other grandchildren will live under freedom he arrogantly declaired in substance:

“ ‘You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.’

“And they’re ahead of schedule in their devilish scheme.” (Ezra Taft Benson “Our Immediate Responsibility.” Devotional Address at Brigham Young University. circa 1968.”) [access the audio file on this page.]

America has certainly been given a constant dose of socialism until today one cannot discount that we are ripening and about to fall like overripe fruit into the hands of the socialist-communist conspiracy, which thrives as never before.

As we study the stained glass window below, designed by these Fabian's and which f

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rian system on enforced bondage that Fabians promote, buy G. Edward Griffin's masterwork The Creature From Jekyll Island, it is a must have for every person's library. As pictured below, the Fabian's have as their coat of arms a wolf in sheep's clothing, and they desire to mould the earth "nearer to the[ir] hearts desire." And then, in great sinister admission of strategy and tactic, they seduce the masses into bowing down and worshiping the learning of man, his false philosophies that are anti-Christ. These teachings all holding within them the seeds of destruction which run civilizations into the ground. Fascinating is the study of the Fabian socialists, a semi- secret society and their agenda, which is moving forward beautifully for them as they "hammer" away in forging the New World Order with the North American Union here in the Western Hemisphere. Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney gets away with calling his super socialist, mandated health care insurance program a "free market" solution to a socialist created health care crisis. The middle class is reduced year by year into poverty. Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture, Ezra Taft Benson, spoke to Nikita Cruschev who boasted of the agenda that they (the communists and socialists) were moving forth with. He stated they would give us (American's) small doses of socialism until one day we would wake up and find we had communism, and then he boasted, we would "fall like overripe fruit into their hands." Benson, later lamented: "and they're ahead of schedule in their devilish scheme." Indeed, these wolves in sheep's clothing have 'seduced the more part of the righteous until they have come down to believe in their works and partake of their spoils." The throngs of the masses foolishly worship these false and destructive, anti-American philosophies of government, economics, education, religion; the sciences; the arts, and every other area of learning. Perhaps there are enough American's who will awaken soon and shed this corruption before civilization is surely "wrecked to pieces."



1. George Bernard Shaw: The Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928, pg. 470) (as quoted in The Creature From Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin p. 101.)

[raygun]

I haven’t a clue what else to say.

Perhaps my tag-line may provide an avenue to assuage your - and mine - misery?

[emax]

Yes, since the govt would have to prove that this bill applies to them in a court of law first-esp since the bill was intended to apply only to someone who either was a member or provided support to Al Qaeda, Taliban or an affiliated Terror outfit or had a direct role in 9/11. Then they would have to come to a sort of consensus on whether or not existing law allows for their detainment-since again, this bill states that the laws regarding detaining US citizens and legal aliens are the same as they were before. And whether or not existing law and our current state of conflict allow for detention and suspension of Habeus Corpus is highly debated, thus clearly contestable in a court of law. So in a way, they would get due process-if the govt was still interested in playing by the rules and following the laws. If they werent, then NDAA 2012 would be wholly irrelevant anyway,

[PhilDragoo]