Skip to comments.Moderate road won’t beat Obama
Posted on 01/02/2012 7:19:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Tomorrow less than 20 percent of registered Republicans in Iowa are going to tell us who they believe should take on President Obama. Presidential candidate Jon Huntsman, who has bypassed the caucuses, said last week that Iowa picks corn, not presidents. Is he correct?
Well, if you ask Mike Huckabee, he would say yes. But on the other hand, Obama did win the state.
Iowas importance will be in whittling down the field of contenders. It is most likely going to claim several conservatives, which means that their voters could flock to another right-wing candidate not necessarily the frontrunner.
If Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich gets an Iowa bump, as Huckabee did, you can expect establishment Republicans to once again pound the message that voters have to nominate a moderate to win the presidency.
This theory makes sense for the commonwealth, because we are the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts. Thats why U.S. Sen. Scott Brown does not vote as conservatively as we all want.
However, the rest of the nation is not Massachusetts, so GOP voters can hold out for a Ronald Reagan conservative.
For years the Democrats believed they could not nominate an ultra-left-winger and win the presidency. That was one of the major reasons given in 2004 to end Vermonts former Gov. Howard Deans candidacy. Obama trashed that hypothesis.
Compared to Barack, Hillary Clinton looks like Margaret Thatcher.
In 2008, Republicans dutifully nominated U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).
Despite publicly criticizing then-President George W. Bush on federal spending, McCain was otherwise an establishment moderate because of his record of being part of the Senate Gang of 14 and a supporter of amnesty for illegal immigrants.
When Republicans select a moderate, the nominee cannot run to the middle to win over voters. Actually, the candidate has to do the opposite to make sure there is no base abandonment.
Moderation can impel Republicans to stay home rather than vote, as we saw in the disastrous 2006 and 2008 elections. GOP voters were angry at our elected officials for increasing spending, growing entitlements, etc. They repaid them by refusing to vote.
Being a shrewd politician, McCain tried to motivate the base by picking Alaskas Gov. Sarah Palin.
It wasnt enough to retain conservative voters when he stumbled over the market meltdown, and in the end, even moderates such as Colin Powell ditched McCain.
We have been there and done this moderate candidacy against Obama. Are we going to repeat this unsuccessful model?
Anyone who uses the pejorative “right wing,” an epithet used to smear conservatives, automatically loses me.
The Republican Establishment tore Huck apart after he won Iowa and they will do the same to Santorum starting Wednesday.
Willard the Abortioner is their guy.
Moderation doesn’t mean stagnation anymore. It just means slightly slower acceleration in the same wrong direction.
At that point I will support the nominee.
Reagan was correct.
Conservatives make up a plurality of voters in this Country, perhaps even a majority. If Republicans run a Conservative, Conservative voter turnout is extremely difficult to overcome for any opponent. Yet, here we are again, with most of the pundits telling us we must cater to a small minority of voters, potentially sacrificing a much larger voting block...us!
I have a very strong belief that many of the people who claim to be on our side (the Faux Conservative crowd) would actually be just fine with four more years of Obama, hence they are pushing
That is not true. Obama did not run as he governed. No history and hidden past, Obama ran as a moderate but governs as a marxist. That is why his support has dropped off, people are wondering why they did not see it before and why they ever bothered to vote for him in the first place.
Though he is right about moderates and RINOs also known as liberal republicans. They lose every time.
Obama’s picking his nose.
Holly Robichaud is certifiably stupid. She is the best MA GOP can do!
This state is a joke.
Correction, Holly is a she.
Agree completely. Moderates will slowly saw our collective heads off whereas liberals will chop our heads off.
We need to destroy the GOP establishment first, and then deconstruct the federal government to it’s Constitutional roots.
That candidate is not yet running. Paul comes the closest, I’m sad to say, but lacks the spiritual vision of where we are vis-a-vis with the end of this age.
“A choice, not an echo.”- Barry Goldwater
In this day and age when the Democrats are nothing more than communists and so-called ‘moderate’ Republicans might as well be Democrats, I want a true Republican. I want a socially conservative, fiscally conservative President who runs a tough, aggressive foreign policy that other nations will have to step aside for or get blown to bits. I want a President, who, when a gun control bill lands on his desk, vetoes it saying “this is some dumb ***t”. I want a President who actually believes in capitalism. I also would like a President who was immoderate in defense of those things, shouting down the leftists and telling them to their face they are wrong. I want the choice to be laid to the voters to decide, not between communism and socialism, but communism and capitalism. I want clear opposition to the policies of the left, not cooperation, not a weaker version of it.
“Moderation in war is imbecility”- Admiral Sir John Fisher
“War is politics carried on by other means.”- Karl von Clausewitz
Based on the two above maxims, moderation in politics is imbecility.
Is King Obama back from his Royal vacation yet?
All rested up is he?
I think, he is in for a rude awakening.
Like Dole or McCain?
If the only reason to vote was who believes that the Constitution was the law, the choice would be easy.
But is this really 1803? Did we abuse this document so much we cannot go back?
I think so.
RNC, roll us out a real candidate.
Compared to Obama, Hillary Rotten looks like Thatcher? How stupid. When has Hitlery disagreed with the Punk during these past 3 years? Never. They are cut from the same hammer and sickle flag. Bob
No offense, but you seem to pick up on the MSM’s BS right away and promote it.
After NH we will see some coalescence, and I expect Obama to see some grief.
Ron Paul is running as the other Obama, and we have not seen that scenario before.
Paul could destroy the true conservatives in the 3rd tier, but he could also cause disgruntled Obama voters to split.
I think the later is more likely.
I expect Perry and Gingrich to come after Paul and him hard.
Huckabee had some real issues with his (so called) Conservative credentials. Santorum does not.
I don't agree that the establishment Republicans tore Huckabee apart. If anyone was guilty of criticizing him, it was me and my fellow Conservatives.
Don't worry though, they will try and attack Santorum and Conservatism. While I admit Santorum wasn't my first choice in this election cycle, the fact that he is a “Right Wing” Conservative makes him appealing to me. I've always believed that if you have a Presidential candidate who is a true Conservative and can articulate the ideology, in most cases you have a winner. Newt articulates the ideology, yet his believability is questionable. Perry is Conservative on some issues, questionable on others, and doesn't have a track record of articulating anything well (this election). With Santorum (compared to the rest of the field), we have a Conservative who is intelligent, experienced, and can articulate. No guarantees, but he seems to be the logical choice.
You must be kidding!
Obama and the Clinton’s HATE each other!
Not to promote one over the other, but Huckabee has some Charisma.
Santorum has NONE
I will give you this....if comparing the charisma of the two from their appearances on Fox News, yes, Huckabee does come across as far more charismatic.
Are we going to repeat this unsuccessful model?
There it is in a nut shell.. If the establishment wins. They WILL repeat it. And history will repeat with Obama serving 4 more years.
“Are we going to repeat this unsuccessful model?”
Probably. With the identical result. *$^&^%&$&^@#&.
I am delighted to see Santorum do well, and thanks be to God for whomever it takes to stop, delay or kill the thre coming train, the Romney campaign.
But, Santorum voted to increase spending over and over and over, eight times. Santorum left twisting in the wind the like minded conservative Pat Toomey, whom Santorum rejected in order to pander to the Establishment by supporting icky Arlen Spector! It was then Arlen Spector who was the single turning Republican vote that handed us Obamacare in a basket! How quickly we forget why Rick was not re-elected. He is at best a moderate if his record means anything.
Let me walk that back a skosh.
It just seemed that the bulk of the articles you posted today fractured our party.
You didn’t write them, and I am pleased to see that you recognize that the Dems are vulnerable as well.
Obama is NOT popular with his base.
They want to love him, but he is NOT popular.
They think they can get him time to redeem himself by splitting our party.
“Obama and the Clintons HATE each other!”
I don’t disagree, but their insatiable hunger for power would not stop them putting on a show and running together.
Romney is Obama light.
I don’t think he will be that difficult.
author Holly Robichaud:
Obama Punked Hill and Bill hard.
He cut her power off as SOS in a brutal way.
I don’t understand why she ever agreed to the gig.
Obama was off to India with Jeff Imelt and a 500 million dollar entourage of business leaders and Gov officials while he had Hillary in the back jungles of Papua New Guinea.
Oh, she is pissed...
Hilly says that Holder and the Justice Dept never applied to the State Dept for export licenses for guns in “Fast and furious”
Oh, they have punked her at every turn and she hates it.
Dem beats Dem Lite every time.
R.I.N.Os worked so well in the past... let's try it again, everybody! /s
It's looking very much that way right now. We need to wait until after Florida to get a "fair and balanced" view.
You make a compelling case and I think you’re absolutely right, there’s no love lost betwixt them. But there’s nothing I put past this cabal. The one thing I believe almost everyone can agree on is that they really, really have the country on the ropes. The left sees America’s destruction in their sights. So do alarmed conservatives and probably most independents. The FSA just sees their next welfare check and that’s all they care about. Those are 0bama votes. I *do* think an 0bama-Clinton ticket would be very tough to beat, but I already think 0bama will be hard to beat (with whom we have...by all rights, he should be beaten in a 47 state landslide)
On my best day, I agree with you. But I have been reading up that the Romney Super PAC is doing his dirty work with cash, and because they have it in triplicate they are using it. It has resulted in an endless ability to pick off our contenders one at a time as they pop up, leaving Romney’s nose looking quite clean for the trail.
Apparently the Iowa Republicans are responding to the well funded smears by dropping away from the better threats to Romney, and right on time. There are those whom Romney actually fears, (it was first Perry and then Newt) and that PAC is only just warming up. All this, while our guys are left scrambling for cash to catch the next plane to New Hampshire brings the problem home. It is the Establishment who must be kicked to the curb and that does not happen unless we coalesce behind one candidate, pool our resources against Romney and pray the drop outs will not endorse Romney, but our guy. Fat chance.
Ask me tomorrow when I am re-invigorated, but the purchase of the nomination when it is seen actually working, is hard on my patience and morale. :) But only temporarily.
Given your desires, and the fact that Senator Goldwater is dead, who among the current field most closely fits your requirements?
“RNC, roll us out a real candidate.”
You speak the truth!, Like Rush said on Greta last week, the RNC doesn’t think it can beat Obama and they have therefore fallen back on retaking the Senate so that the old AH’s there can get back their committee chairmanships. Romney can’t break 30% in the primaries. That means 70% of us are not for Romney. And yet, every single “I’m Not Romney Candidate” gets some traction and the RNC and Romney start whacking them down. I am just preying that Romney does not win in Iowa tomorrow. He needs to be relegated to the dust bin of history early.
I'm still 100% for Newt. But if Newt blows up, I would not be too unhappy with Santorum.
Well since moderate McCain, conservative Huck, and fake conservative Romney were the final three last cycle, I guess you were most likely a Willard guy.
Or a McCain mushy moderate stooge.
Btw, I wrote in Mike Huckabee versus Obama.
Sorry, the last three standing were McCain, Huckleby, and Paul. Not Romney.
On March 4, 2008, John McCain became the Republican presumptive presidential nominee when he obtained the 1,191 delegates necessary to receive the party’s nomination. Mike Huckabee announced his withdrawal from the race later in the evening. McCain’s last remaining competitor in the race, Ron Paul, withdrew on June 12, 2008.
I can’t see them working together.
They hate each other bad.
Let’s kick them.
We do need the Senate.
Nixon was the last, Ike equally so.
If the Obamanation won Iowa and then the Presidency, it shows the complete idiocy of the caucus Iowans-—of course, McCain was a poor POS as well for the Repubs but a hair bettwer than what the country got-—How is the change coming along for you?
I can see it now. We’re getting fixed to have an another squishy RINO shoved down our throats. We don’t get a candidate anyone but the establisGhent can stand and we lose anyway. Gutless asses. Hope I haven’t offended Jim by trashing Willard the Giant Rat.
Danged Android! “Establishment”
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