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New Lighting Standards Begin in 2012
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Posted on 01/03/2012 9:33:11 AM PST by frogjerk

Beginning in 2012, common light bulbs sold in the U.S. will typically use about 25% to 80% less energy. Many bulbs meet these new standards, including incandescents, CFLs, and LEDs, and are already available for purchase today. The newer bulbs provide a wide range of choices in color and brightness, and many of them will last much longer than traditional light bulbs. The lighting standards, which phase in from 2012-2014, do not ban incandescent or any specific bulb type; they say that bulbs need to use about 25% less energy. The bipartisan Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (EISA 2007) established these efficiency standards.


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Didn't Congress pass a bill to cut off money for this stupid law?
1 posted on 01/03/2012 9:33:19 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: frogjerk

I thought it was repealed?


2 posted on 01/03/2012 9:36:49 AM PST by DeaconRed (Bo Diddley, Bo Diddley have you heard? Iran running mouth like a true TURD.)
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To: frogjerk

Communism at its core.

LLS


3 posted on 01/03/2012 9:38:17 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!)
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To: frogjerk

I thought it was repealed too. But, stores were suppose to start pulling 100W incandecents off of shelves yesterday. (supposedly).

If any of you would like to buy some 100W incandecent bulbs for $1.25 a peice, I might know a guy.... :o)


4 posted on 01/03/2012 9:39:00 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals draw conclusions on clouds with invisible ink from a unicorn horn dipped in Pixidust!)
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To: frogjerk

House GOP Delays Light Bulb Ban Until October
http://news.yahoo.com/house-gop-delays-light-bulb-ban-until-october-123005582.html

Republicans reached a deal to postpone until October enforcement of energy standards that many fear will be the end of 100-watt bulbs and fill stores with more expensive curlicue fluorescents.


5 posted on 01/03/2012 9:39:57 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: frogjerk

> Didn’t Congress pass a bill to cut off money for this stupid law?
It’s like Obamacare. The DemocRATs will ignore the repeal like it never happened.


6 posted on 01/03/2012 9:40:25 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: frogjerk
Beginning in 2012, common light bulbs sold in the U.S. will typically use about 25% to 80% less energy.

Yep. When the rolling blackouts hit from the EPA shut down coal-fired power plants, we'll use a bunch less.

Morons abound in Government.

7 posted on 01/03/2012 9:41:24 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Looking forward to a dim mercury-vapor-filled future, unless we can shed the likes of the Fred Upton’s, Myth Romney’s, Boehners... and shift to constitutional republicans dedicated to shrinking the federal (currently national) government leviathon.


8 posted on 01/03/2012 9:42:50 AM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: Tenacious 1

I know a place at 46¢ each

http://1000bulbs.com/product/5662/SATCO-S2514.html


9 posted on 01/03/2012 9:43:07 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: frogjerk

Why have the enviro-weenies looked the other way on these mercury filled pollutants?


10 posted on 01/03/2012 9:46:41 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: C210N

If we do not... there will be a civil war.

LLS


11 posted on 01/03/2012 9:51:18 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!)
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To: C210N
Looking forward to a dim mercury-vapor-filled future, unless we can shed the likes of the Fred Upton’s, Myth Romney’s, Boehners... and shift to constitutional republicans dedicated to shrinking the federal (currently national) government leviathon.

From House GOP Delays Light Bulb Ban Until October

Rep. Fred Upton, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said the light bulb delay shows Congress is listening to the American people. “We heard the message loud and clear,” said Upton, R-Mich. “Americans don’t want government standards determining how they light their homes.” Upton said he was not opposed to the more efficient – and expensive- curlicue fluorescents that have become increasingly familiar in recent years. But he said government should not penalize those who prefer traditional, incandescent bulbs. “New lighting options are great news for the public, but the lesson is that markets and consumer demand are the best drivers of innovation and new choices,” Upton said.

Rep Upton, why did you champion this thing in the first place?

12 posted on 01/03/2012 9:51:26 AM PST by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: thackney
LOL!!! I order my bulbs from there. Good business...lots to choose from different vendors, etc.....I place and order enough every 2 years for a combo of cfls, incans, floods, recessed floods, indoor & outdoor, etc.

They (1000bulbs in Texas) do a great job on my orders & delivery.

13 posted on 01/03/2012 9:51:49 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: frogjerk

I thought LED’s would have replaced standard light bulbs by now ayway, without the phony environmentalists pushing them down our throats. They last longer, take less electricity, and aren’t that expensive. Tungsten filiments are starting to seem archaic, like the old vacuum tube.


14 posted on 01/03/2012 9:54:31 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
They last longer, take less electricity, and aren’t that expensive.

?????

http://1000bulbs.com/search/?filter%5Bcategory%5D=2000&filter%5Bincandescent+equal%28text%29%5D=90+Watt

Can you point me to a LED 100 Watt incandescent light output equivalent for under $50?

15 posted on 01/03/2012 9:57:47 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: frogjerk
Didn't Congress pass a bill to cut off money for this stupid law?

They did, but still some producers would have to continue producing the 100W incandescent for that bill to have any practical effect. Producers are already geared up to produce the new bulbs and it's not clear if any would or could continue producing the old ones.

16 posted on 01/03/2012 10:12:39 AM PST by Will88 (I>)
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To: thackney

This type of light also needs to function on a dimmer switch.


17 posted on 01/03/2012 10:15:52 AM PST by ne1410s ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill)
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To: thackney
That price quoted is per case!

In this instance, there are 6 per case...

CA....

18 posted on 01/03/2012 10:17:02 AM PST by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: thackney

Well, considering that you almost never have to replace them, I’m thinking that they could actually be cheaper. Especially considering the much less electricity they use. It’s not cheap here, by the way, for one reason or another.


19 posted on 01/03/2012 10:18:26 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: thackney

The problem with the spiral bulbs is that some of our lamp shades are the kind that slip onto the bulb and they will NOT work with the spiral bulb. :(


20 posted on 01/03/2012 10:19:03 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
I thought LED’s would have replaced standard light bulbs by now ayway, without the phony environmentalists pushing them down our throats. They last longer, take less electricity, and aren’t that expensive. Tungsten filiments are starting to seem archaic, like the old vacuum tube.

This statement is about 5 to 7 years premature IMO. The LED technology is still relatively new but is racing along at an ever increasing rate. Most ROI cost analysis are still coming up just shy in the commercial market and way off the market in the residential market.

Secret: Eventually, LEDs will get there and changing bulbs in your house will be a rare event, even though one costs you about $10. Pick the first company to make the technology work for the market and buy some stock. ;o)

21 posted on 01/03/2012 10:19:56 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals draw conclusions on clouds with invisible ink from a unicorn horn dipped in Pixidust!)
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To: Will88

The only room we use the 100w bulb is the computer room. Higher ceiling. The problem is that we have a dimmer switch and we haven’t been able to find a spiral 100w that is made for dimmer switches.


22 posted on 01/03/2012 10:22:39 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

I don’t use many 100W bulbs, but still stocked up on I think 32 total bulbs. Those will last quite a few years. But I do use many 60Ws in fixtures that use three 60s, plus many of the three stage lamp bulbs. I’ll probably really stock up on 60Ws, but I’m not sure the three stage bulbs are being outlawed. Need to find out for certain.


23 posted on 01/03/2012 10:30:37 AM PST by Will88 (I>)
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To: Tenacious 1

They now carry 95W incandescents...


24 posted on 01/03/2012 10:41:06 AM PST by null and void (Day 1078 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Netizen

That will be a good place to put LED bulbs first. High ceilings stairwells, difficult to get-to locations really benefit from long life bulbs!

The savings of lives and injuries from falls more than compensates for the added costs.


25 posted on 01/03/2012 10:46:17 AM PST by null and void (Day 1078 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Will88

We only have one lamp that uses a 3 way but its one that uses a lamp shade that fits onto the bulb. :(

I think they should have waited until there were replacements available for dimmers and other special needs. We stocked up a little on the 100’s. We have 24.

I’m not fond of the light cast from LED’s. I did find that with spirals you want 2700K for lighting like the incandescent.

Check out the link below at amazon. This person shows the difference in several bulbs, including dimmers.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B002ZBJ25G/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0


26 posted on 01/03/2012 11:04:08 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: null and void

Our ceiling isn’t that high, and like I mentiined earlier, I hate the light cast from LED’s and won’t use them unless there is no other option available. They would be my absolute last choice unless they can fix that issue.


27 posted on 01/03/2012 11:11:53 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: null and void
The savings of lives and injuries from falls more than compensates for the added costs.

Don't they use harnesses for that or special equipment? Now, I'm curious. I have to see if I can find out how many deaths occur from changing light bulbs in high ceilings.

28 posted on 01/03/2012 11:16:54 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen
http://1000bulbs.com/search/?filter%5Bcategory%5D=1833&filter%5Bdimmable%28text%29%5D=Yes&filter%5Bincandescent+equal%28text%29%5D=100+Watt

Not to recommend them, but they do exist.

http://1000bulbs.com/search/?filter%5Bcategory%5D=1833&filter%5Bdimmable%28text%29%5D=Yes&filter%5Bincandescent+equal%28text%29%5D=100+Watt

29 posted on 01/03/2012 11:22:41 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: frogjerk
What a deal!

Crony Capitalism through the back door.

The government has eliminated competition for manufacturers of CFLs like General Electric.

No more of those inefficient incandescents for 25¢ a pop. - Now we will be forced to spent 10 or 20 times as much for an inferior product.

And let's not forget - this leftist policy was proposed by a republican and signed into law by George "Dubya" Bush.


30 posted on 01/03/2012 11:24:06 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Netizen

Professional installers use safety equipment, or at least they are supposed to.

What people will do in their own homes? Not so much...


31 posted on 01/03/2012 11:25:46 AM PST by null and void (Day 1078 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: LibLieSlayer
Sadly, we've gotten to a place where many people just shrug their shoulders and go along meekly. A great number appear to feel like they can't fight back or that they lack any real power to ever do so; besides, they are too busy just trying to scratch out a living to worry about things like... light bulbs.

And so, for example, they rationalize their impotence by adopting the easy narcissism of the "Green" movement, where good intentions trump science, rights, or reason. In so doing, they abandon even the pretext of self-government, ceding the smallest of personal decisions (and responsibility for them) to a state all too willing to grasp them and never again let go.

A government powerful enough to dictate which light bulbs its citizens may purchase bears no resemblance to the former United States of America, but it certainly does resemble the old Soviet Union. Increasingly, so do many of its people.

32 posted on 01/03/2012 11:31:22 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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33 posted on 01/03/2012 11:44:12 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Netizen

At this moment there are no 100W incandescent equivalent, 2700K color temperature, dimmable LED lamps on the market.

Dozens of companies are working on it, and I suspect by Christmas we’ll have a number to choose from.

They’ll be expensive for early adopters, but pretty reasonable in a few years.


34 posted on 01/03/2012 11:45:28 AM PST by null and void (Day 1078 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: thackney

Did you bother to read the reviews? LMAO

Product almost functions as advertised. Feature of dimmabilty is greatly needed. There are two weaknesses with this product. While rated as same amount of light as 100 watt incandescent bulb, it is more like a 60 watt. It also starts out very dim and brightens to its max level after about 4 to 5 minutes.


This light bulb works only if it’s used with a specially designed dimmer. Had to but one. Did not dimm with my old dimmer at all.

The base on all 3 of the bulbs I bought heated up like crazy (this might be normal, I don’t know). One went bad in a day.


35 posted on 01/03/2012 12:01:23 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: null and void

I don’t want LED anyway. I prefer the spiral’s lighting to the green LED.


36 posted on 01/03/2012 12:03:43 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Iron Munro

Lately the quality of incandescent bulbs has been pretty bad anyway.


37 posted on 01/03/2012 12:06:09 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen
I'm deeply offended.

(s) nully, who used to make LEDs back when LEDs were still new...

38 posted on 01/03/2012 12:07:18 PM PST by null and void (Day 1078 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: null and void

Some people get exactly as they deserve.


39 posted on 01/03/2012 12:07:34 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

And some don’t.


40 posted on 01/03/2012 12:08:40 PM PST by null and void (Day 1078 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: frogjerk; Voter#537
Didn't Congress pass a bill to cut off money for this stupid law?

I thought it was repealed?

Nope. Not repealed. The law is still in effect.

In the current budget bill Congress did cut off money to the Energy Department to enforce the law.

But that would only stop the federal government from spending money to enforce the ban on manufacturing and selling new 100 watt incandescents until the next budget is passed.

The effort is meaningless; too little too late. Because the manufacturing plants have already shut down production of the 100 watt bulb. And they certainly won't go through the expense of restarting production with the law still in effect.

The bans started this month with the 100-watt bulbs. Then in 2013 the 75-watt bulb will be banned, and in 2014 the 40 and 60 watt bulbs are banned.


41 posted on 01/03/2012 12:11:33 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: null and void

LOL See, if you were still there they would have the color of the lighting and the dimmable right, by now.

:)


42 posted on 01/03/2012 12:11:47 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: null and void

If you are changing a bulb in an 18 ft ceiling without the proper equipment and are seriously injured whose fault is that?


43 posted on 01/03/2012 12:15:54 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

If I stand on the very tippy-top of this 12 foot ladder I can just reach the fixture...


44 posted on 01/03/2012 12:17:55 PM PST by null and void (Day 1078 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: null and void

That doesn’t sound safe at all.


45 posted on 01/03/2012 12:24:14 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Chances Are
That price quoted is per case! In this instance, there are 6 per case...

Wow - What a relief!

That's only 36 tiimes as much per bulb as the incandescents I just bought!

Let's see - we have about 60 incandescents around the place so I can swap them out for only $9.00 each, plus shipping.


46 posted on 01/03/2012 12:26:04 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: frogjerk

We stayed in a house in southeastern Colorado for two weeks during the holidays. All their bulbs were those ridiculous screw tail ones. Lighting was worse than horrible. Had I known I would have taken some from my stash and replaced them all. Did take my own salt shaker for which I was thankful.


47 posted on 01/03/2012 12:27:50 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: null and void

If I stand on the very tippy-top of this 12 foot ladder I can just reach the fixture...

I have a device with a suction-type cup at the end and can stand flat footed on my floor to change the bulbs.


48 posted on 01/03/2012 12:32:55 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Netizen

Probably still would be if National’s new VP hadn’t bought an LED facility in Latham NY, because National needed an LED facility.

The idjit didn’t check to find out that National had a perfectly good one in Hawthorne CA.

The “only” solution?

Shut down the Hawthorne facility, which was running quite well, thankyouverymuch, and move operations to NY where the operations were so poor the owners dumped it rather than try to fix it.


49 posted on 01/03/2012 12:41:50 PM PST by null and void (Day 1078 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Netizen

Nahh, I’ll be fine, besides it would cost us $50 to have a pro change a friggin’ light bulb. $50??? I don’t think so!


50 posted on 01/03/2012 12:44:04 PM PST by null and void (Day 1078 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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