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Conservatives blame Santorum for Specter’s win [2004]
The Washington Times ^ | 4/28/2004

Posted on 01/03/2012 9:42:37 AM PST by Happy Valley Dude

Edited on 01/03/2012 9:45:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: American Constitutionalist

I’m saying you should worry about actual votes.


61 posted on 01/03/2012 10:39:24 AM PST by bjcoop
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To: napscoordinator; Happy Valley Dude

I completely agree with you on that.....except to say that it IS a valid point to bring up.

Once. After that it’s overkill and unbecoming.


62 posted on 01/03/2012 10:41:02 AM PST by Grunthor (Do you worship the State or do you worship the Lord? There is no middle ground.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

If you actually looked at this thread, I haven’t criticized Santorum for endorsing Specter. I criticized Santorum for his voting record on pork barrel projects in Congress. Open your eyes.


63 posted on 01/03/2012 10:41:02 AM PST by bjcoop
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To: MestaMachine

Mesta, I’m sure you remember that Santorum was also under seige from so called conservatives, just as he is here on this site.

Acorn had a ton of influence in the election, over 100% turnout in some eastern PA voting districts is evidence of that. The thing about him not living in PA was started by a local democratic committee person who just happened to be a member of a public union. Once the media got hold of him, just like you see here, they convinced the republicans to stand in the firing squad and conveniently forget that Santorum IS a conservative. That charge was led by a certain libertarian leaning newspaper in these parts, one who still bashes Santorum at every opportunity. The same newspaper that for decades endorsed John Murtha.

It pains me to see so many follow those who truly DO have an agenda, and the agenda has nothing to do with electing conservatives.


64 posted on 01/03/2012 10:41:43 AM PST by swpa_mom
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To: bjcoop

You still can’t come up with a good explanation for Toomey’s support ( even voiced support ) for those 2 repeals in the military ? can’t you ? so you go on and harp on about Santorum’s mistakes while excusing Toomey’s support for those repeals... it’s those “ Do as I say, and not as I do kind of things ? isn’t it ? “ because Santorum is not your guy whom your want, right ?


65 posted on 01/03/2012 10:45:01 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: RitaOK

You have no idea what you are talking about. What was done to Rick Santorum was an concerted effort coordinated by acorn, the hard left, the establishment gop, and the state gop. BECAUSE he was conservative. Period. fast eddie rendell ran this state and both machines. Santorum was a neon target and they went after him with everything they could manufacture.


66 posted on 01/03/2012 10:46:54 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: swpa_mom

Ping to #66


67 posted on 01/03/2012 10:47:59 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Happy Valley Dude

Yes, this is one of Santorum’s big negatives, although I generally like him.

His other big negatives to me are big election losses and a rather uncharismatic presence - could he win? I wonder.

However he has my support if he’s nominated.


68 posted on 01/03/2012 10:49:14 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Difference is Toomey doesn’t have a voting record to prove your accusations against him.


69 posted on 01/03/2012 10:49:41 AM PST by bjcoop
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To: napscoordinator

“I remember that Scuzzynova was endorsed by Newt.”

And that’s one of Newt’s big problems, IMO, along with his sad tendency to shoot himself in the foot.

Again, he has my support if he’s the nominee.


70 posted on 01/03/2012 10:50:42 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: MestaMachine

Sorry Mesta,

I don’t excuse the republicans who bought it all and ‘stayed home’ not voting for him.

Part of the attack on him was also coordinated by that newspaper I mentioned, and they are not part of the establishment GOP, they are the libertarian leaning ones supporting John Murtha.

Having said all of that, conservatives are just smarter than that, but it was as if all of the bumper stickers and attacks on him kept people home.

We end up defeating ourselves in many elections.


71 posted on 01/03/2012 10:52:08 AM PST by swpa_mom
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To: Cicero

“The rest have long lists of misdeeds, not a single mistake”

I don’t think Perry has a long list.


72 posted on 01/03/2012 10:52:08 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: bjcoop
" If you actually looked at this thread, I haven’t criticized Santorum for endorsing Specter. I criticized Santorum for his voting record on pork barrel projects in Congress. Open your eyes. "

Who is your guy ?

Newt ? who was all cozy on the couch with Nancy and warming up to the Global Warming Hoax ?
Perry ? Instate tuition ?
73 posted on 01/03/2012 10:53:47 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Honestly, neither of those. I would be prepared to support Santorum if he’s the nominee. I’m just pointing out flaws in Santorum’s record but they are smaller compared to that of Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich. I’m not out to destroy Santorum. I apologize for being argumentative.


74 posted on 01/03/2012 10:56:13 AM PST by bjcoop
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To: swpa_mom

Agree. And to say I was heartbroken that he lost is an understatement. He is one of the dwindling few politician I still believe is absolutely honest almost to a fault.


75 posted on 01/03/2012 10:57:16 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Happy Valley Dude

I am not a Santorum supporter and won’t be voting for him, but this is not a reason why. This criticism is unfair. Specter campaigned for Santorum and really helped him in his first run for the Senate. Santorum was just repaying the favor. It is very rare for a senator to campaign against a fellow senator of the same party.


76 posted on 01/03/2012 10:57:16 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Happy Valley Dude

I am sick of so-called conservatives who whine and cry when they lose.

I live in Pennsylvania. I fought for Pat Toomey. But I do not blame Santorum for his endorsement.

Specter did not win based on Santorum’s endorsement.......Specter won because more people voted for him than Toomey.

Conservatives did not get off their asses and come out for Toomey.

We already see this in the 2012 primary.......so-called conservatives whining about how the GOP will not give us a conservative nominee. BS!

If conservatives unite around a candidate, we will have a conservative nominee.

The GOP does not SELECT our candidate for us!


77 posted on 01/03/2012 10:58:24 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: bjcoop
" I apologize for being argumentative. "

Apology accepted...

In hindsight, Santorum did what he was told to do, and made the right choice since we got Alito out of the whole deal.
78 posted on 01/03/2012 11:01:53 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Well said! And same here. I live in PA as well. People were swindled in 2004 by what the establishment was saying.


79 posted on 01/03/2012 11:02:04 AM PST by bjcoop
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To: bjcoop

Depends on how you look at it. We have massive GOP majorities in the PA congress and a GOP Gov and we are not doing a thing. As an example, we should have the State Stores shuttered by now, but everyone is afraid of the unions. If this was a real Red State, this issue would be over, but the elected officials are all pandering to an electorate that seems to love big gov’t just not the cost of running it.


80 posted on 01/03/2012 11:10:17 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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