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Coronado, California, Shooting Kills 4, Including 2 Navy Pilots, Sister
abcnews.go.com ^ | 1/3/12 | COLLEEN CURRY

Posted on 01/03/2012 11:49:38 AM PST by ColdOne

A shooting in Coronado, Calif., that left four people dead, including two Navy pilots and one of their sisters, is being investigated as an apparent murder-suicide.

The New Year's Day shooting in a condo there claimed the lives of siblings David and Karen Reis, 25 and 24, respectively, as well as David's roommate, John Reeves, 25, and a fourth unknown man.

David Reis and Reeves were both pilots in the Navy, and shared the condo home in Coronado, sources told ABC affiliate KGTV. The other dead man is a 31-year-old civilian who lives in Chula Vista, according to the county Medical Examiner's Office.

The siblings and Reeves went out together in downtown San Diego to celebrate New Year's Eve Saturday night, and returned to the condo with the fourth man, whose identity has not been released, the sources said.

A retired Navy pilot who lives next door to the condo told KGTV that he heard seven shots early Sunday morning. "There were two shots, about a five-second pause, and then five more," Don Hubbard said.

Hubbard said he spoke with police after the shooting, who said they believed the crime was a murder-suicide and that they had found the murder weapon.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: coronado; murder; navair; navy; suicide; usn; usnavy; weapon
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1 posted on 01/03/2012 11:49:41 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

A love quadrangle?


2 posted on 01/03/2012 11:52:23 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: ColdOne

Our first military homosexual murderer?


3 posted on 01/03/2012 11:53:14 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: ColdOne

Our first military homosexual murderer? At least since DADT was repealed.


4 posted on 01/03/2012 11:54:00 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: WayneS

My bet is on the 4th guy, for whatever motive

Imagine the despair of the family that lost 2 children ...


5 posted on 01/03/2012 11:55:50 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: ColdOne

I’m guessing sister was girlfriend of brother’s roommate, and sister’s ex-boyfriend didn’t like that.


6 posted on 01/03/2012 11:57:54 AM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: ColdOne

There is much to be imagined here. Makes no sense really.


7 posted on 01/03/2012 11:59:41 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; WayneS
How can you write such hideous remarks until the facts are better known?

These were active duty military personnel, and they fully deserve respectful silence until the investigations are complete.

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8 posted on 01/03/2012 12:02:12 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Bingo! My exact thought upon reading the description.


9 posted on 01/03/2012 12:05:51 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You are an ass.
10 posted on 01/03/2012 12:13:42 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Seaplaner
Amen Seaplaner. We don't have the whole story. For example, what is a Navy F/A-18 pilot doing living in Coronado? They're based in Lemoore.
11 posted on 01/03/2012 12:14:25 PM PST by newbolt
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To: Seaplaner

“How can you write such hideous remarks until the facts are better known?

These were active duty military personnel, and they fully deserve respectful silence until the investigations are complete.”

Exactly.
You guys sound like total idiots speculating on motive for this with as little info as there is.

How about STFU unless you know something, or unless you just want to sound important on an internet forum.


12 posted on 01/03/2012 12:17:05 PM PST by HEM
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To: newbolt
For example, what is a Navy F/A-18 pilot doing living in Coronado? They're based in Lemoore.

They were training at Miramar. Coronado is a great place to live and not too far of a drive.

13 posted on 01/03/2012 12:18:51 PM PST by Drew68
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To: starlifter; Blood of Tyrants
You are an ass

you left off "hole"

14 posted on 01/03/2012 12:26:46 PM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Drew68

What kind of training would the Navy be doing at MCAS Miramar? I thought all the Navy F/A-18 were at Lemoore.


15 posted on 01/03/2012 12:27:35 PM PST by newbolt
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To: ColdOne
My girlfriend knows the Reis family and speaks highly of them. Their son was serving his country. Anybody who speculates about what happened at this point is a complete asshole.
16 posted on 01/03/2012 12:35:31 PM PST by 12chachacha
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To: newbolt
What kind of training would the Navy be doing at MCAS Miramar? I thought all the Navy F/A-18 were at Lemoore.

I don't fly them, I just arm them, but it is my understanding that some of the trainer jets are based out of Miramar.

17 posted on 01/03/2012 12:39:13 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Seaplaner

My guess? The Military will be *very* interested in the case. That was a significant investment in both money and time that got blown away.


18 posted on 01/03/2012 12:44:27 PM PST by wbill
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To: starlifter; tx_eggman

Why? The woman was a sister to one of them. Murder suicides (as it is being called) are most often committed by men against a lover or spouse. And you are now allowed to openly flaunt your homosexuality in the military.

So, we are left with two possibilities; one of the men was dating the sister and then killed everyone or one of the men was dating one of the other men and then killed everyone.

Am I so for off base in the realm of possibilities?


19 posted on 01/03/2012 1:02:37 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Seaplaner

“These were active duty military personnel, “

As if there aren’t homosexuals openly serving in active duty?


20 posted on 01/03/2012 1:04:08 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Tucker39

Apparently you and I are the only ones who will admit reality.


21 posted on 01/03/2012 1:05:29 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: newbolt

Training squadron?


22 posted on 01/03/2012 1:06:44 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Seaplaner

Agreed.


23 posted on 01/03/2012 1:16:52 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: starlifter; tx_eggman
Eggman, thanks for the correction.

I should have said a leaking, oozing, fetid a$$hole. I'll try to do better next time.

24 posted on 01/03/2012 1:28:48 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Am I so for off base in the realm of possibilities?

It sounds more like you're tastelessly pushing an agenda before the blood has even dried.

25 posted on 01/03/2012 1:31:50 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I left you off my previous post. Apologies.
26 posted on 01/03/2012 1:32:03 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Drew68

I have no agenda. What happened there was a tragedy.


27 posted on 01/03/2012 1:37:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have no agenda. What happened there was a tragedy.

Yes, it was. But you seem to be hoping there's some gayness involved, aren't you? It was the first "conclusion" you came to.

28 posted on 01/03/2012 1:43:04 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Blood of Tyrants

So, we are left with two possibilities; one of the men was dating the sister and then killed everyone or one of the men was dating one of the other men and then killed everyone.

Am I so for off base in the realm of possibilities?

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I will say yes. You are off base, not for speculating as to the reasons, but being so binary in your thinking that you believe there were only 2 possibilities.


29 posted on 01/03/2012 1:47:38 PM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

Am I not allowed to speculate?


30 posted on 01/03/2012 2:06:38 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Drew68

I really don’t care. You seem awfully quick to try to deny homosexuality was involved.


31 posted on 01/03/2012 2:10:20 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Am I not allowed to speculate?

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You should re-read the post to which you replied. I answered that question. In the affirmative.


32 posted on 01/03/2012 2:17:35 PM PST by dmz
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To: ColdOne; Blood of Tyrants
Seems odd, this happened new years day, and they are not looking for any other suspects, yet no motive? Murder suicide seems to be what occurred but why?

I'm sure the investigators already know exactly what occurred and why, but are just not saying at this point, for whatever reasons. It seems obvious, based on this report, one of the 4 inside the condo was the shooter. Possibly more than one shooter, but I'd bet that's unlikely.

Debt, money, girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife love triangle jealousy thing?

Which one was the shooter, and what was the motive?

Would they pickup a complete stranger in a Chula Vista bar and take him home? Possible, but I doubt it.

As that would beg the question, why would a complete stranger kill them all, and then himself? Again, not likely.

My hunch is they or at 1 one of the 3 knew exactly who the unnamed stranger was.

33 posted on 01/03/2012 2:58:33 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Maybe details will come out in a few days. But if there is a homosexual aspect, you will have to dig deep to find the truth.


34 posted on 01/03/2012 3:56:57 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yep.

My bet is they already know the motive, but are clearly holding back at this point.


35 posted on 01/03/2012 4:36:41 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This doesn’t say anything close to conclusive, but it is interesting and thought provoking.

Friend Of Coronado Shooting Victim Searches For Answers
Sources: Jealousy May Have Played Part In Fatal New Year’s Day Shooting

http://www.10news.com/news/30128712/detail.html


36 posted on 01/03/2012 9:45:32 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

“It was no surprise they rung in the New Year together. 10News learned they went out downtown with David’s roommate — friend and fellow Navy pilot Bob Reeves, who was 25 years old. The three met a Chula Vista man, who has yet to be identified, and brought him back to the condo.”

That doesn’t sound too good.


37 posted on 01/04/2012 2:28:18 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad
Latest details: John Reeves (pilot) had a self-inflicted gunshot to the head. The others David Reis (pilot), Karen Reis (sister) and guest Matthew Saturley were apparently shot by Reeves. See link.
38 posted on 01/04/2012 12:21:24 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

So much for psych evals.


39 posted on 01/04/2012 12:45:32 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad
At least he didn't go nuts in a fully armed F/A 18. It could have been worse.
40 posted on 01/04/2012 2:11:09 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
This story keeps getting weirder and weirder.

Link

Apparently, Karen Reis had at some point been in a relationship with Reeves. The Reis siblings, Reeves, and another unidentified male accompanying Karen Reis go to a bar in Gaslamp where they meet Saturley for the first time. They five of them return to the Coronado condo at 2:00 am. The Reis brother and the unidentified man hang out outside while the other three go inside. Twenty minutes later four people are dead. Saturley is shot multiple times and Karen is shot in the head and chest. David Reis, hearing gunfire, enters the apartment where he is killed. Reeves then kills himself.

The fifth person remained outside and called 911. Saturley was murdered after knowing these people for just a few hours.

Only the best of the best get selected to fly F/A-18s. People who have been high achievers their whole lives. What happened in that 20 minutes to end everything for so many people?

41 posted on 01/05/2012 8:51:54 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
It's extremely odd. I'm working in San Diego and hearing updates from the local press/law enforcement as they become available. The F/A 18's divert 45 degrees northwest and directly over my office on the way out to sea. I had many friends that were F-14 pilots/RIOs when Miramar was NAS Miramar.
42 posted on 01/05/2012 9:47:07 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
I'm an Aviation Ordnanceman in the Navy and my wife and I lived in a little apartment on picturesque Coronado Island until just a few months ago. A place where violent crime of any sort was practically unheard of. Needless to say, I've known many naval aviators and continue to be in awe of their skills and courage.

As active duty navy and former Coronado resident, his crime was particularly shocking to me.

43 posted on 01/05/2012 9:59:50 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

This story is strange. I hope the families get the truth.


44 posted on 01/05/2012 10:03:45 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Myrddin

More details here:

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16454447/coronado-murder-suicide-rocks-navy-community

Including that the Chula Vista guy was MIT and was the only one described as being shot “multiple times”.


45 posted on 01/05/2012 10:07:42 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Reeves confused about possible romance with roommate’s sister:

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/picture-of-reeves-emerges-online


46 posted on 01/05/2012 10:15:44 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Drew68
Apparently, Karen Reis had at some point been in a relationship with Reeves.

Pure speculation on my part here, but I think a fairly likely scenario is developing based on Reeves having dated Karen previously.

WHile David and the 5th person were outside my guess is that Reeves walked in on Karen and Saturly making out and lost it. Saturly being shot multiple times points straight to it being a spur of the moment emotional killing.

Reeves then shot Karen in his anger, and by this time David had probably run in and launched into Reeves who then shot him in his rage.

Realizing what he had done Reeves started to leave and then decided to just kill himself.

47 posted on 01/05/2012 10:30:34 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Drew68
My dad was in the Navy 26 1/2 years. The final billet was as XO of 32nd St Naval Station (1970-1977). I've seen and heard lots of things as my dad was XO of some ship/facility from 1963 onward. I'm less surprised, but still disappointed at the events.
48 posted on 01/05/2012 11:17:36 AM PST by Myrddin
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49 posted on 01/05/2012 12:46:06 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: dragnet2

“My bet is they already know the motive, but are clearly holding back at this point.”

Exactly. Several people above have incorrectly stated that it was the stranger they picked up that did the murders, but it was NOT. It was one of the Navy pilots. All the indicators are pointing towards homosexual jealousy. It’s such a taboo subject that they are hesitant to release the details. The Navy also doesn’t want publicity about it either.


50 posted on 01/05/2012 12:59:34 PM PST by DesertRenegade
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