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Posted on 01/03/2012 3:30:43 PM PST by mnehring

Here’s another tragic misunderstanding of Ron Paul’s message of human freedom: Paul has just gained David Duke’s endorsement. This week, the former KKK Grand Wizard telephoned into the radio show hosted by Stormfront founder Don Black to announce his support, and the two men had the following conversation.

Ron Paul was a hot topic this week on the talk radio show hosted by prominent white supremacist Don Black and his son Derek. Mr. Black said he received Mr. Paul’s controversial newsletters when they were first published about two decades ago and described how the publications were perceived by members of the white supremacist movement. Former KKK Grand Wizard and Louisiana Congressman David Duke also phoned in to explain why he’s voting for Mr. Paul.

“Everybody, all of us back in the 80′s and 90′s, felt Ron Paul was, you know, unusual in that he had actually been a Congressman, that he was one of us and now, of course, that he has this broad demographic–broad base of support,” Mr. Black said on his broadcast yesterday.

Mr. Black is a former Klansman and member of the American Nazi Party who founded the “white nationalist” website Stormfront in 1995. He donated to Mr. Paul in 2007 and has beenphotographed with the candidate. Mr. Paul has vocal supporters in Stormfront’s online forum.

Black said on air he does not regard Paul as “currently” a white nationalist. To which David Duke answered:

Again, I go back to that, you know, traditional topic that I always talk about, you know, the powers of international Zionism–a power in banking, a power in media, a power in government influence, in campaign finance–a power that’s, you know, hurting the values of this country on behalf of Israel,” Mr. Duke said. “So, I would vote for Ron Paul at this moment because he’s one of the few candidates who have policies in this regard and this realm that I wholeheartedly support, and that’s why I’d vote for him.”

A politician isn’t answerable for the antics of every one of his supporters. But there’s surely a reason, isn’t there, that racists, anti-Semites, 9/11 Truthers, and Holocaust deniers are so strongly attracted to the Paul campaign. They hear something. They continue to hear it too, no matter how firmly Ron Paul’s more mainstream supporters clamp their hands over their own ears.


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1 posted on 01/03/2012 3:30:46 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Should surprise no one.


2 posted on 01/03/2012 3:34:23 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: mnehring

Paul winks at these people while publicly denying any association so they continue to cheer him on.


3 posted on 01/03/2012 3:38:19 PM PST by DB
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To: mnehring

Looks like the racists have read and enjoyed the Ron Paul newsletters. They know when they have found one of their own.


4 posted on 01/03/2012 3:40:58 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight

“It’s the company you keep, boy.”


5 posted on 01/03/2012 3:46:02 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: mnehring
But but but Ron Paul wrote the Constitution man...

You gonna eat those nachos bro?

6 posted on 01/03/2012 3:49:25 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: mnehring; SJackson

This is another painful reminder of what’s wrong with Run Paul; it’s like seeing Obama at the Reverend Wright’s Church, or knowing that Senator Byrd was once a Grand Kleagle in the KKK. Decent people don’t associate with anti-Semites and racists. Obama failed that test. Paul has failed that test. Ronald Reagan did not. He never accepted any support from these vile sorts.


7 posted on 01/03/2012 3:51:00 PM PST by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: mnehring

“A politician isn’t answerable for the antics of every one of his supporters. But there’s surely a reason, isn’t there, that racists, anti-Semites, 9/11 Truthers, and Holocaust deniers are so strongly attracted to the Paul campaign. They hear something. They continue to hear it too, no matter how firmly Ron Paul’s more mainstream supporters clamp their hands over their own ears.”


8 posted on 01/03/2012 3:52:55 PM PST by Grunthor (Do you worship the State or do you worship the Lord? There is no middle ground.)
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To: mnehring

David Freaking Frum?!? Are you even trying to hide your support for Romney in this thing tonight? Good Lord...


9 posted on 01/03/2012 3:54:35 PM PST by jmc813
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To: jmc813

Funny, Paul supporters are more offended by Frum than David Duke.


10 posted on 01/03/2012 4:01:41 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

It finally dawned on me the other day why otherwise reasonable and intelligent people would support this nut-job. Every person who I know who likes Ron Paul has a strong anti-authoritarian streak which sometimes overrules their better judgment.


11 posted on 01/03/2012 4:05:18 PM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: DB

He winks at these people, just as he winks at his “I always vote no on spending” after he loads these bills that will pass with crap.
Paul is a fraud.


12 posted on 01/03/2012 4:05:34 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: mnehring

Form up the circular firing squad. Here we go.


13 posted on 01/03/2012 4:06:08 PM PST by cdcdawg
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To: mnehring
Funny, Paul supporters are more offended by Frum than David Duke.

No, F@#k David Dude. I'm just as offended by people such as milquetoast moderate RINOs who think that liberal Frum is the man.

14 posted on 01/03/2012 4:09:26 PM PST by jmc813
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To: mnehring
Mark Levin just referred to one of these dopey supporters who jam talk show lines defending the indefensible Ron Paul as "brown shirts". He's got their number down alright.
15 posted on 01/03/2012 4:10:30 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: mnehring
Matthew 13:27
So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
16 posted on 01/03/2012 4:12:25 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: mnehring
Again, I go back to that, you know, traditional topic that I always talk about, you know, the powers of international Zionism–a power in banking, a power in media, a power in government influence, in campaign finance–a power that’s, you know, hurting the values of this country on behalf of Israel,” Mr. Duke said. “So, I would vote for Ron Paul at this moment because he’s one of the few candidates who have policies in this regard and this realm that I wholeheartedly support, and that’s why I’d vote for him.”

This is what a lot of Ron Paul supporters actually believe. Ron Paul may never specifically say this stuff, but he also never seems to shoot these nutty conspiracy theorists down either. He does not disassociate himself from them, and by not doing so he encourages yet more insanity.

Pretty much ever nutty tin foil hatter I know loves Ron Paul. Paul literally has a kook coalition consisting of wackadoodles from all over the country to include illuminati conspiracy theorists, 9-11 truthers, people who believe the Bilderberg Group is some dark conspiracy out to control us, near every stripe of Jew haters who believe Israel is the force of evil on earth conspiring to engineer nearly every bad thing that ever happens (including 9-11), etc, etc.

17 posted on 01/03/2012 4:13:04 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: jmc813

Oh, and I did some checking, Frum has been mostly pushing for Santorum. He has been somewhat negative on Romney too.


18 posted on 01/03/2012 4:14:15 PM PST by mnehring
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To: cdcdawg

The jew hating 9-11 truther is not in any GOP circle .
This creep called our Desert storm soldiers “ war criminals “.
The man is insane and fraud .


19 posted on 01/03/2012 4:17:17 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: CommerceComet
Every person who I know who likes Ron Paul has a strong anti-authoritarian

I'm a person who likes Paul and I consider myself pro-authoritarian.

I simply want all authority to recognize and subordinate itself to the chain-of-command especially to Him who is at the top of it!

Romans 13:1
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Proverbs 21:1
The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Psalm 2
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

20 posted on 01/03/2012 4:19:17 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: CommerceComet
It finally dawned on me the other day why otherwise reasonable and intelligent people would support this nut-job. Every person who I know who likes Ron Paul has a strong anti-authoritarian streak which sometimes overrules their better judgment.

There is truth in that. Another reason I've identified for RP support. Paul rarely if ever shoots down nutty conspiracy theorists. When presented with something completely insane, Paul will empathize with the person or group rather than specifically explain why dumb conspiracy theories are dumb. Part of it is that Paul likely believes many of these things too, another part is Paul knows conspiracy theorists are a big part of his coalition and he doesn't want to alienate any of them. With that in mind, every quack and crank from across the land believes Paul is a truth teller who will validate their goofy beliefs. Imagine believing your whole life that there are FEMA concentration camps housing everyone who knows the truth about the Bilderberg Group. Now imagine a presidential candidate that doesn't actually laugh at you for thinking that. Well, those people are drawn to Paul because they think he is going to prove them right. The fact that he doesn't giggle at them alone is enough to get their vote.

21 posted on 01/03/2012 4:22:52 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Lazlo in PA

This phony Ron Paiul support are Dem and Union activist being bussed in just like Obama did in 2008.
The fact the RNC did not stop this Axelrod voter fraud scam tells how stupid these clowns are


22 posted on 01/03/2012 4:23:50 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: Theophilus

Do you hates Jews like Ron ?
Are you a 9-11 truther like Ron?
Do you think are troops are war criminals ?


23 posted on 01/03/2012 4:26:32 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: elhombrelibre; mnehring
Decent people don’t associate with anti-Semites and racists. Obama failed that test. Paul has failed that test.

I agree completely, in my mind that disqualifies both of them from high office. Many of us on FR knew that 4 years ago, and exposed it. Regarding both of them. For some, like freedom fighters and terrorists, one mans bigot is another mans hero. IMO a fundamental lack of morality underlys that position. A common flaw that the world has seen before many times.

24 posted on 01/03/2012 4:30:51 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: CommerceComet

That is probably the most accurate analysis of RP fans that I have seen. Ron Paul is seeing more support than ever becuase some conservatives are so sick of the nanny state and the liberal GOP that they will support the man becuase they think he hates the same people they hate. These people want so badly to send a big FU to the establishment that they are willing to overlook many troubling things.


25 posted on 01/03/2012 4:30:59 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: ncalburt

How about opposing “In God We Trust” as the national motto because he thinks the Federal Government has no place in establishing a national motto to God.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ron-paul-opposes-resolution/2011/11/04/id/416869

His argument is so asinine, if you follow it, we shouldn’t even have a national flag or any national monument.


26 posted on 01/03/2012 4:37:10 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

That is just Mr, Danielle Steele’s camouflage. Frum would be embarrassed to be at his wife’s cocktail parties if he genuinely had the hots for any R candidate except Romney.


27 posted on 01/03/2012 4:40:10 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: ncalburt
Are you related to A+bert? By any chance?

I love the God that loves and chose the Jews. I'm actually pro-Israel but I also recognize that it is it's own worst enemy just as we are ours.

If you care what I think about 9-11 well then I take it at face value but I think the anaphylactic security shock our country has inflicted on itself in the aftermath has been devastating. I suspect many in the GOP are as bad about exploiting a crisis to usurp power as the Democrats are. I can't understand why we need a Department of Homeland Security. The DOD is good enough.

Our troops and their families are constantly being exploited. All war is evil but some participation in war is righteous. It takes a special kind of grace in serviceman to sacrifice his life for his country, and I marvel that they have to submit to this situation where they know they are being vainly and spitefully used.

28 posted on 01/03/2012 4:40:10 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: mnehring
His argument is so asinine, if you follow it, we shouldn’t even have a national flag or any national monument.

Sure we should. Hair can pass, he just doesn't have that Roman Emporar nose. Wonder how he looks in a toga.


29 posted on 01/03/2012 4:41:10 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: Theophilus
I simply want all authority to recognize and subordinate itself to the chain-of-command especially to Him who is at the top of it!

What makes you think that you will get this from Ron Paul? Ron Paul's career as a Congressman has always been as someone who refused to follow the party's hierarchy. He wore his independence on his sleeve. Now, of course, Ron Paul would claim to be following proper principles but most would view these principles as flexible enough to allow him to conveniently do whatever he wanted.

Although Ron Paul has stated that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior, I have not seen Ron Paul's respect for political chain of command. I think this is his appeal to his followers - sticking his finger in the eye of "the man."

30 posted on 01/03/2012 4:44:45 PM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: ncalburt
The fact the RNC did not stop this Axelrod voter fraud scam tells how stupid these clowns are

Amen. My biggest problem with the GOP apparatus is that they continue to allow flimsy open Primaries in some states. NH has like a 5 minute residency to vote for crying out loud. Close the Primaries to resident GOP voters and nuts like Paul will quickly be eliminated.

31 posted on 01/03/2012 4:45:08 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: CommerceComet
Whoa, there is no hierarchy in a legislature. Congress is a house of equals representing their constituents.

I think Dr Paul has done very well keeping his oath by discharging his duties.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

32 posted on 01/03/2012 4:52:41 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: mnehring

“But there’s surely a reason, isn’t there, that racists, anti-Semites, 9/11 Truthers, and Holocaust deniers are so strongly attracted to the Paul campaign.”

I’m not a supporter of Ron Paul, but he’s a piker compared to the democrats support of racists, anti-Semites and 9/11 kooks.

The democrat party is the slave party, the segregationist party and the racist party. And the Chicago pig obuma is the biggest racist to ever occupy the Whitehouse.

The racist pig obuma is trying to bring back slavery, damn that SOB to hell. He wants a race war so he can create chaos.

Ron Paul has serious problems, but the pig obuma is our No.1 enemy.

Let’s not forget that.


33 posted on 01/03/2012 5:05:58 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Theophilus
Whoa, there is no hierarchy in a legislature.

There is definitely a formal leadership team in the House who can count on Ron Paul being a rogue. You have heard of the Speaker of the House, majority and minority leaders, majority and minority whips, etc., right?

34 posted on 01/03/2012 5:38:10 PM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul is going to have a much bigger support base on this forum than you think, at least by the time 2012 elections start up. If they dont post it outright, they will be thinkin it.


35 posted on 01/03/2012 5:48:52 PM PST by emax
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To: emax; Jim Robinson

To quote the owner of this forum, FURP


36 posted on 01/03/2012 6:03:53 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Hey Hey, hold it there. I am not saying I support Ron Paul-I dont and consider him among the least ideal options among Republicans or Democrats. But I do think he will gain shocking amounts of support from far leftist Marxists to the most committed right leaning God-Guns-Country type of folks and everyone between.


37 posted on 01/03/2012 6:07:42 PM PST by emax
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To: emax

I have a feeling this forum would go third party before going Fraud Paul.


38 posted on 01/03/2012 6:09:45 PM PST by mnehring
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To: CommerceComet

Congressional “leadership” in the Constitution and is limited to the Vice President and the Speaker of the House (who need not be a member). I would say that so-called Congressional “leadership” is generally one of the biggest sources of the problems in our government today.


39 posted on 01/03/2012 6:17:09 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: mnehring

WHat I am hoping for is that after the 2012 elections we finally decide it’s over regarding the 2 party system we have and that we need at the very least a third party that can get as much support as Democrats or Republicans. A true Conservative party, a Libertarian Party, an Independent Party and Democrats taking the role of the true Liberal party and Republicans, well, that would be entirely up to them.


40 posted on 01/03/2012 6:23:42 PM PST by emax
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To: Lazlo in PA

I suspect this clowns kept them open to help Romney but it has backfired big time .
Axelrod and Soro saw an opportunity to embarrass the GOP with lunatic Paul as the GOP poster boy !


41 posted on 01/03/2012 6:31:33 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Mark Levin just referred to one of these dopey supporters who jam talk show lines defending the indefensible Ron Paul as "brown shirts". He's got their number down alright.

Mark was trying real hard to keep his New Years resolution and be more patient. But that caller lied to his screener and said hewas a Santorum supporter. Nobody likes being lied to.

42 posted on 01/03/2012 6:58:59 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: mnehring

The KKK supported FDR. Why wouldn’t they? He refused to integrate the military, and opposed the civil rights bills proposed by Robert Taft. He appointed KKKer Hugo Black to the Supreme Court. He even refused to admit black children to his polio camp. Yet David Frum venerates FDR.


43 posted on 01/03/2012 7:35:30 PM PST by oblomov
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To: ncalburt
This phony Ron Paiul support are Dem and Union activist being bussed in just like Obama did in 2008.

Yep. It's also "Operation Chaos" in reverse.

44 posted on 01/03/2012 8:02:39 PM PST by ponygirl
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To: ncalburt; ex-Texan

Those who are supporting Ron Paul say it all, KKK, neo-Nazis, college twits since Ron Paul has stated he will legalize drugs, and I bet the Tehran Islamic tyrants lo0ve him too.


45 posted on 01/03/2012 9:13:00 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never 'free'.)
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To: mnehring

Smaller goverment is good for every individual interest that is not in using the same to steal from or otherwise repress their neighbor.


46 posted on 01/03/2012 9:49:20 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: elhombrelibre

“This is another painful reminder of what’s wrong with Run Paul; it’s like seeing Obama at the Reverend Wright’s Church, or knowing that Senator Byrd was once a Grand Kleagle in the KKK. Decent people don’t associate with anti-Semites and racists. Obama failed that test. Paul has failed that test. Ronald Reagan did not. He never accepted any support from these vile sorts.”

There is a Gigantic different between Obama and Byrds active association & support of theses people and Paul’s resieving of support from folk.

Good and Bad people agree on many if not most things, even when they agree for different reasons. Indeed it is the logical singularity of libertarianism that attracts support from all sides. Why? Simply put it allows everyone the prospect of doing more of what they want free of Big central Goverment.

Communist like it when they don’t win because they can then experiment in communism. Anarchist like it for the same reason, people from every strip that don’t necessarily conform to the uniformity that Goverment attempts to impose upon us all.

It is thus to be expected that among the supporters of big goverment will be those that disagree most with the opinions of the majority who define the same uniform code imposed by that goverment upon all.


47 posted on 01/03/2012 9:56:50 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: CommerceComet
Although Ron Paul has stated that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior, I have not seen Ron Paul's respect for political chain of command.

The political chain of command you speak of, has divided the once united and all but left America flat broke, bankrupt and dead on the floor.

Respect? This is a joke right?

48 posted on 01/03/2012 10:13:00 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: CommerceComet
Every person who I know who likes Ron Paul has a strong anti-authoritarian streak

Oh.

How unAmerican of them.

(/sarc)

49 posted on 01/04/2012 1:49:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: CommerceComet
Ron Paul's career as a Congressman has always been as someone who refused to follow the party's hierarchy.

Ron Paul isn't in Congress to follow Party orders, he is there to represent the people in his district. They are his bosses, not the GOP. Like it or not, that is how it is supposed to work, and just might have something to do with his getting re-elected.

Anyone who goes to Washington and forgets about the folks back home to suck up to the Party elite ought to be canned.

50 posted on 01/04/2012 2:24:13 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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