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Tennessee woman shouldn't be punished for doing right thing with gun
Knoxville News Sentinel ^ | 1/3/12 | Editor

Posted on 01/03/2012 5:02:44 PM PST by SmithL

Free Meredith Graves!

Just about everyone in the country now knows about the Louisville, Tenn., woman who was arrested when she tried to check her gun at the 9/11 Memorial in New York City.

The nurse and medical student had driven to New York with her husband to interview for a residency at Brookhaven Memorial Hospital in Long Island. While in the Big Apple, they decided to do a little sightseeing.

Graves has a Tennessee handgun carry permit and had a loaded .32-caliber Kel-Tec in her purse. When she saw the no-guns symbol at the memorial, she asked a guard where to check her weapon and abruptly found herself under arrest and facing a 3½-year minimum sentence for violating New York's strict gun laws.

"She was being honest," Graves' mother-in-law, who lives in New Jersey, protested to the New York Post. "Everyone down there carries, and she just forgot."

The incident reinforces an array of silly stereotypes.

Graves, an educated professional, is cast in the role of an aw-shucking, dunderheaded hillbilly, down from the hollers where the folks all pack heat.

New York City, America's hometown during the Twin Towers tragedy, presents itself as an effete enclave where rampant fear and liberalism have gnawed to death all signs of common sense.

The risks are real, though.

(Excerpt) Read more at knoxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: New York; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; nyc; yourtaxdollarsatwork
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1 posted on 01/03/2012 5:02:53 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Just stay the hell out of New York City.


2 posted on 01/03/2012 5:09:37 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred
Good advice.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/03/2012 5:13:19 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SmithL

I don’t live in either place, but I think I’d be much more likely to carry a gun in NYC than in TN.


4 posted on 01/03/2012 5:13:59 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: bigheadfred

She is toast. Ask Plaxico Burress. He caught the game winning touchdown in the SUPERBOWL for the Giants in 2007. They still made him do two years!


5 posted on 01/03/2012 5:14:05 PM PST by Smogger
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To: bigheadfred

In terms of the Second Amendment, Winston’s Churchill’s “Iron Curtain” speech is applicable to the NJ/NY border. One needs to be extremely careful in such states when possessing firearms.


6 posted on 01/03/2012 5:15:16 PM PST by donozark (Ron Paul! You magnificent bastard! I read your book! (cook book that is))
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To: SmithL

I hate to say it, but I’ll bet they convict her. NY & NYC are fixated on gun control tyranny. Only a credible threat of a national boycott MIGHT save this lady. Not likely to happen with everything else going on.


7 posted on 01/03/2012 5:25:48 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: SmithL
In 2010, a man with a concealed-carry permit from Florida was pulled over in New York after making a right turn on red — also illegal there — and was arrested when police found a 9mm pistol in his glove box.

Under what reason did the Stazi have to search his vehicle for a simple traffic failure?

8 posted on 01/03/2012 5:29:33 PM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: SmithL

If you are a CCW license holder, it’s up to you to check the laws of the states you are traveling through.

Does this woman live under a rock? Everybody knows NYC is crazy when it comes to firearms.


9 posted on 01/03/2012 5:29:47 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: SmithL
This was a nurse, and a medical school graduate, that is to say an MD— who was applying for her residency at Brookhaven in NYC. They probably have that wrong— med grads are lotteried to their residencies, so she was checking in with them (maybe applying for the living quarters or whatever).

She, thinking this is a reasonable place (NYC? no way!) and seeing a sign (and clearly not knowing the local laws anyway) presents herself to an officer. Now any REAL criminal would never do this.... but they prosecute her anyway. There is a legal defense fund started for her in Knoxville.

And one BLATANT thing.... WHY was is necessary to have a sign saying NO GUNS allowed, in a city where it is against the law already? Just for whom is that sign?

10 posted on 01/03/2012 5:31:53 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SmithL
She's no "victim". How [stupid or uninformed] do you have to be to NOT know about NYC gun laws for one AND how tight security would be at an event like this?


11 posted on 01/03/2012 5:32:22 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: bigheadfred

A pistol: because I can’t carry a policeman in my pocket.

The Big Apple would be better off if it really were “wild West.” After a spate of self defense shootings, thugs and robbers would begin to look elsewhere.


12 posted on 01/03/2012 5:34:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: ex91B10

In this case it looks like her medical assignment was her first foray out of the hills. If the 2nd amendment were actually functional, there would be no B.S. like this.


13 posted on 01/03/2012 5:36:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Smogger

IMO, Plaxico is a little bit different situation. Used his money and influence to pull more crap.

But I’m sure you are right. She is toast. And I can appreciate AMERICANS wanting to visit the site of 9-11. In fact, AMERICANS SHOULD visit the place—fully armed. Shoot their guns in the air and scream their defiance to the world.


14 posted on 01/03/2012 5:38:03 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: HiTech RedNeck
After a spate of self defense shootings, thugs and robbers would be dead.
15 posted on 01/03/2012 5:43:57 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: ex91B10
She's just a young woman.

There are lots of people who imagine that New York has gotten in line with the rest of the country. They are mistaken of course but that's what they believe.

I'm looking forward to the day Bloomberg forgets he's no longer the mayor and that he can't carry a piece.

16 posted on 01/03/2012 5:47:42 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: sthguard

I don’t live in either place, but I think I’d be much more likely to carry a gun in NYC than in TN.
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I have a carry permit and living in Virginia...Irony is that here in Fauquier County the chances of me needing a weapon are very slim and in VA you don’t even need a permit to carry concealed in your vehicle (the way it should be everywhere).
In the places you really need it, WashDC, NY, NJ, Baltimore etc my permit is useless but I still go by the judged by 12 rather than carried by 6 theory.


17 posted on 01/03/2012 5:54:12 PM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) EGOIST - A person of low taste, more interested in himself than me. A. Bierce)
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To: donozark

“... One needs to be extremely careful in such states when possessing firearms.”

One just needs to stay out of those states. I know I do.


18 posted on 01/03/2012 5:56:52 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: SmithL
Nuck Few York and Aruba. You couldn't pay me to see either place.
19 posted on 01/03/2012 5:57:11 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: SmithL

Doesn’t she know??? It’s against the law in NYC to defend yourself against killers, robbers and rapists by using your 2nd Amendment Constitutional right that clearly states “Shall not be infringed” that liberal politicians constantly swear to protect and defend when they take their oath of office. You have to allow the criminals to kill you or rob you otherwise you can get into a lot of trouble by people who can afford 24 hour armed bodyguards. Just ask Bernhard Goetz who shot 4 punks who tried to rob him in the 1980s. Not only did Goetz do time in jail, he also got sued and owes $43 million to one of the muggers to this day. Yes that;s right, $43 MILLION.


20 posted on 01/03/2012 6:00:06 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (I have a pet who's a pup that's why I call him puppet.)
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To: OldPossum

Story here on FR not long ago about a guy from Penn who drove his wife into NJ where she worked. He forgot he’d been hunting day before and got stopped by the law. A nasty and expensive situation for the poor guy when the cop found his hunting rifle...


21 posted on 01/03/2012 6:02:23 PM PST by donozark (Ron Paul! You magnificent bastard! I read your book! (cook book that is))
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To: bimboeruption
If you are a CCW license holder, it’s up to you to check the laws of the states you are traveling through.

Does this woman live under a rock? Everybody knows NYC is crazy when it comes to firearms.

I have downloaded several documents concerning state to state gun laws and concealed carry and have them on my Droid. I don't travel much, but I can always check what the laws are where I am.

22 posted on 01/03/2012 6:09:35 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: SmithL

The States that issued the Carry permits to these people should be in contact with New York.

Their angst should be made known that any form of reciprocity other States now enjoy with New York will be cancelled if this BS doesnt stop.

Included could be the recognition of drivers licenses of people who happen to drive through Tennessee with new York license plates.

I know this won’t happen, but Damn: It should.


23 posted on 01/03/2012 6:11:18 PM PST by Venturer
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Just hope the SCOTUS hears this case and rules against NYC law. I think the NY legislature is worried about this.


24 posted on 01/03/2012 6:11:42 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: xrmusn

It’s exactly BECAUSE it’s so easy to arm yourself in Fauquier County (hope I got that right) that you’re unlikely to need the arms. Riffraff looks elsewhere, because the first redneck they tried to rob or rape would drop them dead.


25 posted on 01/03/2012 6:13:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: eyedigress

Probably will end up pleading her down to some kind of remote probation, to avoid that.


26 posted on 01/03/2012 6:14:51 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: SmithL

How surprising, New York pissing on the constitution. /sarc


27 posted on 01/03/2012 6:20:54 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: SmithL

Her biggest mistake was leaving the USA!


28 posted on 01/03/2012 6:21:07 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

This is a high-profile case now, and you may be right. Of course that blows open a huge hole in their “no-tolerance” standing as of now. Every powerful pro 2A firm in the nation would love this case.


29 posted on 01/03/2012 6:22:00 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Not only did Goetz do time in jail, he also got sued and owes $43 million to one of the muggers to this day. Yes that;s right, $43 MILLION.

In most states, judgments cannot be collected after 10 years if not reaffirmed before the expiration on the 10-year limit for another ten years. In any event, the judgment has been noncollectable and that will not be changing prior to 2016 when any judgment can be collected.

In all likelihood, the judgment was probably not reaffirmed in 2006.

New York law might be different, but I'd be surprised.

30 posted on 01/03/2012 6:23:01 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: ex91B10

Huh? I bet you know the laws of all 50 states, right? Sheesh.


31 posted on 01/03/2012 6:25:04 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: eyedigress

Tennessee rednecks should invade Nuevo York and recapture it. Besides it’s more glamorous if your capital is Nashville. Who ever heard of Albany?


32 posted on 01/03/2012 6:26:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: CrazyIvan

There’s a great 2nd. Amendment group in Ohio called Buckeye Firearms.
They distribute business-sized cards with state reciprocity laws that I carry in my wallet.


33 posted on 01/03/2012 6:30:43 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

LOL! I have a feeling that NYC will drop this ASAP. I’ve had charges dropped in the past for some very dubious reasons.


34 posted on 01/03/2012 6:33:51 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: bigheadfred
Just stay the hell out of New York City.

But if you do have to go there, take a gun. Oh, no, wait. Take one, but tell them you have one. No, no, ... Just stay the hell out of New York City.

She should have told them she's a muzlim and guns are allowed by the Koran and if they don't let her go, she's going to behead them and their children. That should do it.

35 posted on 01/03/2012 6:34:34 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: bimboeruption

“There’s a great 2nd. Amendment group in Ohio called Buckeye Firearms.
They distribute business-sized cards with state reciprocity laws that I carry in my wallet.”

Thanks for the tip. I’ll check them out.


36 posted on 01/03/2012 6:42:54 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
***The Big Apple would be better off if it really were “wild West.” After a spate of self defense shootings, thugs and robbers would begin to look elsewhere.***

People used to be safe in NYC.


37 posted on 01/03/2012 6:49:39 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SmithL
Doing the "right thing" gets plenty of good people in trouble everyday.

I have this little compulsion (okay, it's a big compulsion) that I can't control... It's called staying alive and protecting my family. And because of this compulsion, I quite often am forced to make decisions that many shee... I mean people never face. You see, I carry a sidearm (or quite often, sidearms) with me everywhere I go when outside of my home. I have this "boy scout" mentality about being prepared. I just can't help it... I have to look after my wife and son, and I would hate to have to explain why it was that all I could do was stand by and watch as either of them was... Well you know what I mean.

So when I come up against one of these "No Firearms Allowed" signs, I have either already scanned the area for a magnetometer, or I am about to. If I don't see one, I keep my mouth shut and am just as polite as can be to everyone I meet. And along with all of that is the fact that gain on my "Threat Assessment" radar is turned up to the maximum. I don't wear a tactical (aka "shoot me first") vest. I don't look like I was fighting in Afghanistan just yesterday. In fact, today's clothing was jeans and a "Mickey Mouse" sweatshirt, along with a zip-up hoodie. But underneath all of that was my insurance policy against the two types of criminals: opportunists and preditors. I go prepared for the latter, because if I can handle him, I can handle the former.

For me, the likelihood of having to defend the lives of my family or myself is higher than the probability of my getting arrested for carrying in a place that would rather disarm an honorable citizen and provide a hunting ground for criminals.

And if I do see a magnetometer or someone "wanding" the persons entering the area... We just turn around and leave. There is nothing in any building or park that is so important to buy or see that it would take precedent over the lives of any of us...

38 posted on 01/03/2012 6:50:29 PM PST by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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To: bimboeruption

Check done. I really like the “No Gun-No Money” cards!

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/publicfiles/pdf/NGNM-card.pdf


39 posted on 01/03/2012 6:55:15 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: SmithL

Someone should publish a pamphlet that outlines differences in laws and it should be distributed at Concealed Carry Permit classes. There have been several threads on this same problem lately.


40 posted on 01/03/2012 6:58:01 PM PST by elvis-lives
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To: bigheadfred

Now that’s not nice, seriously. Paying tribute to the scene of Americas worst Saracen terror attack is something all Americans should do. In theory the woman did the right thing. However she should have just not told the cops. I respect the police, especially the NYPD. I just don’t have any real respect for most of the rest of New Yorkers. Biggest bunch of con artists and cry babies in the world. And I’ve got a sister-in-law from Queens.


41 posted on 01/03/2012 7:12:42 PM PST by jmacusa
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To: jmacusa

What post?


42 posted on 01/03/2012 7:26:17 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bimboeruption

No kidding!!!!


43 posted on 01/03/2012 7:28:43 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: elvis-lives
Someone should publish a pamphlet that outlines differences in laws and it should be distributed at Concealed Carry Permit classes.

The Concealed Carry Permit classes should hammer into the heads of their students that they need to know the current laws of any state or city they plan to visit.

The pamphlet would be good the day it was sent to the publisher, if it was correct.

Gun laws and reciprocity are changing all the time.

Your best bet is to check the NRA website for current conditions before traveling with a weapon.

44 posted on 01/03/2012 7:34:39 PM PST by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: bigheadfred

“What post’’? I don’t get you? Do you mean ‘’what part,re my sister-in-law? Sunnyside.


45 posted on 01/03/2012 7:35:56 PM PST by jmacusa
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To: jmacusa
I mean what part of any of my posts to which you may or may not be referencing. Not the sunnyside part of your SIL. No, I take that back. Does she REALLY have a sunnyside or do you speak out of fear abject terror? She is from Queens, afterall. ;-))
46 posted on 01/03/2012 7:43:51 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: SmithL

They should go easy on her.

A .32 is barely even a real gun.

47 posted on 01/03/2012 7:45:39 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> - - -)
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To: SmithL

This is why I won’t cross the river into IL from MO, and I will certainly never visit Chicago.


48 posted on 01/03/2012 7:58:09 PM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: bigheadfred

I was just commenting on the article about the Tenn. woman who did the ‘’right thing’’ about her gun-check but ended up doing the ‘’wrong thing’’ , so to speak. My SIL? “Jessica’’? Jesse’s a good kid and yeah, she is from Sunnyside, Greenpoint Ave, almost on the border with Brooklyn. She married one of my younger brothers. He works in Manhattan for a construction management firm.


49 posted on 01/03/2012 7:59:18 PM PST by jmacusa
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To: jmacusa

OOOHHHH. I thought there was something not nice I said...


50 posted on 01/03/2012 8:03:18 PM PST by bigheadfred
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