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Soldier in Uniform Campaigns on National TV for GOP Presidential Candidate Rep. Ron Paul
Tuesday, January 3, 2012 | Kristinn

Posted on 01/03/2012 8:40:52 PM PST by kristinn

A serviceman identified as U.S. Army Corporal Jesse Thorsen campaigned in uniform tonight for Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) at Paul's Iowa presidential campaign headquarters.

Thorsen was called on stage by Paul to address the crowd during Paul's speech marking his third place finish in the Iowa caucuses. Thorsen endorsed Paul on stage while in uniform.

Earlier in the evening, Thorsen did a live interview in uniform with CNN's Dana Bash. The interview was cut short as the feed froze. However, in the brief time on air, Thorsen spoke of his support for Paul and gave his opinion on U.S. military policy and said that Iran was Israel's problem, not that of the U.S.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: apaulling; apaulogia; apaulogists; jessethorsen; rino; ronpaul; stolenvalor; ucmj
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1 posted on 01/03/2012 8:40:55 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn
Ummm. last I was briefed on the UCMJ covering that (couple of years ago).... he's toasty. That's a spin-crash-burn-die kind of thing.

/johnny

2 posted on 01/03/2012 8:43:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: kristinn

Whoa. If he’s active duty, that could be a problem. My recollection is that its illegal to be in uniform to support a candidate while on active service.


3 posted on 01/03/2012 8:43:45 PM PST by Theoria
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To: kristinn

well, who is Jesse? What is his expertise? Where did he serve and in what capacity? Good reporters provide all this info!!


4 posted on 01/03/2012 8:45:11 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That is how it was when I was in.


5 posted on 01/03/2012 8:45:11 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: kristinn

well, who is Jesse? What is his expertise? Where did he serve and in what capacity? Good reporters provide all this info!!


6 posted on 01/03/2012 8:46:15 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: kristinn
That should read former army corporal. . .
7 posted on 01/03/2012 8:46:22 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Theoria

Just because he is in uniform and brave doesn’t necessarily make him smart.


8 posted on 01/03/2012 8:46:39 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: kristinn

I could not believe what I was seeing. His career is over. Actually, if he’s been in for 10 years and he’s a CPL, his career never really started.


9 posted on 01/03/2012 8:46:43 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

My thought too. I was shocked he was in uniform. He is an E-4 so he might get his hand slapped. Plus since it was a Republican Primary he may be forgiven since most of the military is Republican.


10 posted on 01/03/2012 8:47:00 PM PST by napscoordinator (A miracle is happening before our eyes! The ONLY MORAL CONSERVATIVE!!! Rick Santorum 2012!!!!!)
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To: thefactor

Yeah, he must’ve been busted down for something...


11 posted on 01/03/2012 8:48:17 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: doc1019
Just because he is in uniform and brave doesn’t necessarily make him smart.<<

Or loyal to the US..

12 posted on 01/03/2012 8:50:27 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: JRandomFreeper

If he is Active Army and his “Leaders” have ‘nads he is burnt toast. But he may be a “Active Reserve” or Iowa ARNG then we’ll have to wait and see.


13 posted on 01/03/2012 8:50:33 PM PST by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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To: napscoordinator

The military is like anything else. There are scumbags in the military just like there are scumbags in everyday life. Just because he’s a brave guy doesn’t make him a good person. I’ve known through acquintance a white nationalist type guy who was in the army.


14 posted on 01/03/2012 8:50:48 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: napscoordinator

“Plus since it was a Republican Primary he may be forgiven since most of the military is Republican.”

Forgiven? No way. Republicans are the ones who follow the rules, remember? That’s why we’re such schmucks sometimes.

This Corporal will be booted out by the weekend, perhaps court martialed along the way.


15 posted on 01/03/2012 8:51:09 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That was my recollection as well. One would think that of all people a libertarian would understand -WHY- political endorsements from active duty military personnel is improper.

Not very Founding Father of candidate Paul, is it?


16 posted on 01/03/2012 8:51:09 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: bigdirty

Ron Paul should know better than to take advantage of this guy and use him as a tool to further his neo-nazi agenda.


17 posted on 01/03/2012 8:52:40 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

You know, something as primitive as phrenology would have screened that guy out.


18 posted on 01/03/2012 8:54:06 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: kristinn

Big time no no.


19 posted on 01/03/2012 8:55:26 PM PST by Swede Girl
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To: thefactor
It used to be E-5 by five or you were out.

So reservist or just can't stay out of trouble?

20 posted on 01/03/2012 8:55:26 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: kristinn

So either one of two things, he is either not really a soldier or he is toast.


21 posted on 01/03/2012 8:55:26 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: bigdirty

While I won’t agree that Ron Paul is a neo-Nazi or has a neo-Nazi agenda, I do think it was rotten of him to basically end this guy’s career by pulling him onstage to speak while he was in uniform.

The guy should have known better as well, but it’s terrible that Paul used him that way.


22 posted on 01/03/2012 8:58:19 PM PST by risen_feenix
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To: kristinn

UCMJ forbids what this turd did tonight. And yes, I used the word to describe him.

He’s either a fake soldier (which is likely), or a turd. Either way, drop the hammer on him.


23 posted on 01/03/2012 8:59:29 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: elpadre

Another leftist pretending to be a soldier?


24 posted on 01/03/2012 8:59:53 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: kristinn

The man must be courting a discharge, under less than honorable conditions.

OTOH, since several articles in the codes of conduct were summarily tossed out of the UCMJ recently, perhaps it is now allowed?


25 posted on 01/03/2012 9:00:13 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: kristinn

And Pvt. Pyle doesn’t count?


26 posted on 01/03/2012 9:01:46 PM PST by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: kristinn

UCMJ issues there (if he isn’t a stolen valor ‘soldier’ like other Paul supporters have been caught as)- he may be better off legally if he is lying about his service versus campaigning in uniform.


27 posted on 01/03/2012 9:03:10 PM PST by mnehring
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To: JRandomFreeper

I used to be a pretty good barracks lawyer and I kept up with the regulations and was pretty active in events off base, I was investigated by the CID, threatened repeatedly by the Battalion CO, but I knew that I was legal, and studied the regs and the off limits list routinely throughout the week.

I knew not to wear my uniform, not to represent myself as representing the military, and to not participate in events where guns were carried (which cost me a big personal honor with the Nisqually Indians when I had to refuse a rare invitation). Active duty could not participate in an event that had (serious?, some level of chance?) for violence, and at that time they were fully armed for confrontation with the feds.


28 posted on 01/03/2012 9:04:38 PM PST by ansel12
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To: elpadre
Did you say Jesse?


29 posted on 01/03/2012 9:05:06 PM PST by mnehring
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To: bigdirty

Just look at the scumbag who shot up that New Year’s party in Seattle, putting four people in the hospital, and shot and killed a National Park ranger when she tried to stop him to tell him he needed to put his snow chains on. He was an Army vet, but that doesn’t mean that he is a fair and equal representative of the military.


30 posted on 01/03/2012 9:05:55 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: bigdirty

Ron Paul should know better than to take advantage of this guy


This. I don’t expect a Corporal to know all the ethics rules that govern government employees. I do expect a Congressman to know this is wrong.


31 posted on 01/03/2012 9:06:20 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: kristinn

A couple of thoughts on this. First there is no way in hell that I will vote for Paul in the primaries. Second, I never understood why a soldier, federal, state or municipal employee should lose their first amendment rights by their service for their country. It dumbs down American. Full disclosure and transparency solves any problems. Take John Kerry as an example ... Was he, is he a true, a American patriot/hero? We know the difference, others do not. It makes no difference.


32 posted on 01/03/2012 9:06:41 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Maxine, I'll see you there. I'm not changing my ways.)
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To: kristinn
Since you posted no link to a news source, I searched and couldn't find any news verification of your report of him being on stage. I did find this about his CNN interview here: Video at site.
33 posted on 01/03/2012 9:06:46 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: elpadre; All
Link to You Tube video of Cpl. Thorsen's abbreviated interview with CNN.

Says he's been in for ten years, told CNN he's served two tours in Afghanistan and is scheduled for a third. Says he's 28 years old, has a large visible tattoo on his neck of the World Trade Center towers.

Thorsen said he supports Paul because he wants to bring the troops home. Says he wants to serve in a peacetime army. The feed breaks up when Thorsen starts talking about not wanting to pick a fight with Iran and saying Israel is more than capable (of taking care of Iran.)

34 posted on 01/03/2012 9:06:53 PM PST by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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Well, Well, Well, like a lot of Paul’s ‘military’ support, looks like we have some fraud. Jesse Thorsen is a criminal, not a Lt. Col.

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Jesse_Thorsen_3040590/


35 posted on 01/03/2012 9:11:03 PM PST by mnehring
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To: kristinn

So what does the UCMJ say about this?

What Active Duty Members Can and Cannot Do

Cannot - Participate in partisan political fundraising activities, rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement. Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator.

Cannot - Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.

Cannot -Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. However, letters to the editor are allowed.

Cannot - Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club.

Cannot - Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.

Cannot - Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.

Conclusion - He is breaking the law.


36 posted on 01/03/2012 9:12:38 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

Check out 35, I doubt he is actually is or ever was a service member.


37 posted on 01/03/2012 9:14:16 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ConservativeInPA

They don’t lose their first amendment rights, they just don’t have the right to show up in the uniform and endorse, they can wear their own clothes, and represent their views as their own personal views, not those of the military or the government.


38 posted on 01/03/2012 9:16:15 PM PST by ansel12
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To: mnehring

correction, cpl...


39 posted on 01/03/2012 9:16:51 PM PST by mnehring
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To: JohnKinAK

Reuters photo of Thorsen joining Paul on stage: Republican presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul shakes hands with Cpl. Jesse Thorsen as greets supporters at his Iowa Caucus night rally in Ankeny, Iowa, January 3, 2012.

Here's Thorsen speaking to print media:

Army Corporal Jesse Thorsen, 28, of West Des Moines, showed up to caucus wearing his fatigues. He, too, supports Paul’s military policy — but for a slightly different reason. “He’s a military man himself so when it comes to budget cuts in military, I think he’ll do it in the right way,” Thorsen said.

40 posted on 01/03/2012 9:17:38 PM PST by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: kristinn

Neck tattoo? The Army allows neck tattoos now?


41 posted on 01/03/2012 9:18:45 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Was he, is he a true, a American patriot/hero?

None of the above, check out 35. Not the first time this has happened to Paul.

42 posted on 01/03/2012 9:19:11 PM PST by mnehring
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He’s a military man himself...

Oh yea, the infamous Combat OBGYNs.

43 posted on 01/03/2012 9:20:48 PM PST by mnehring
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To: kristinn

I just saw that video, are you sure that he was campaigning, or just showed up to vote?


44 posted on 01/03/2012 9:22:25 PM PST by ansel12
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To: kristinn

It definitely places him there in uniform, it says nothing about him addressing the crowd or being invited on stage. Any other articles???


45 posted on 01/03/2012 9:22:41 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

I saw it with my own eyes on CNN. I’m not in the habit of making things up.


46 posted on 01/03/2012 9:24:20 PM PST by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: ansel12

He was campaigning. He was media-whoring. He chose to wear his uniform and campaign for Paul at the caucus.


47 posted on 01/03/2012 9:25:58 PM PST by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: kristinn

I’m just looking for more information, you’d think some newspaper would have an article on this. It’s not everyday someone shows up in uniform at a campaign event.........has the guy even been verified as being in the Army. There are plenty of posers out there especially from the anti-war movement.


48 posted on 01/03/2012 9:32:41 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: kristinn

Rupaul should have talked him out of that or...


49 posted on 01/03/2012 9:35:22 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: JohnKinAK
Nothing more yet. Here's a Tweet from CNN's Dana Bash about it:

Well tweeps, you wanted to hear more from corp jesse thorsen. You just did. @RonPaul called him on stage. Thorsen told me hed never met paul 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

50 posted on 01/03/2012 9:36:48 PM PST by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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