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Disney drops 4 Mexican Riviera cruises (& Other lines, citing violence)
mercurynews.com ^ | 1/4/2012 | mercurynews.com

Posted on 01/04/2012 6:57:44 PM PST by dragnet2

Edited on 01/04/2012 8:34:03 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Disney Cruise Line spokesman Rebecca Peddie says it will allow the company to prepare its 2013 itinerary.

Port business development manager Chris Chase tells the Torrance Daily Breeze that it's a sign of weakening demand for cruises to Mexico, where there has been a surge of violence.


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TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: disney; disneycruiseline; mexico; rebeccapeddie
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Escalated violence in Mexico has cruise lines on high alert, with many carriers cancelling service to Mexico’s West Coast. Royal Caribbean has already removed the option to choose West Coast departures with ports of call to Mexico. Norwegian Cruise Lines’ West Coast liner, Norwegian Star, will discontinue its service to Mexico starting in May 2011. Carnival Corp has made the decision to move one of its West Coast liners to Australia in 2012.

http://www.travelchannel.com/interests/cruises/articles/cruise-news-2011

Cruise lines cancel Mazatlan visits after passenger muggings

One of the most popular winter destinations for Minnesotans has been experiencing an increase in crime that has caused three cruise lines to cancel visits.

The Pacific coast resort city of Mazatlan, long a favorite of Upper Midwest vacationers due to its warm climate and for being less expensive than other options such as Puerto Vallarta and Ixtapa, has reported several muggings at its cruise terminal. Canceling visits last week were Disney Cruise Line, Holland America Line and Princess Cruises. Thankfully, the destination hasn't been impacted like Acapulco which is located several hundred miles farther south.

The famous resort city has seen kidnappings and murders of tourists in recent months, severally impacting its tourist trade.

http://www.examiner.com/airlines-airport-in-minneapolis/cruise-lines-cancel-mazatlan-visits-after-passenger-muggins

Mexican Violence Forces Cruise Lines to Drop Port of Mazatlan

There have been three reported robberies involving passengers or crew in Mazatlan in recent weeks.

A Canadian tourist, not from a ship, was also shot in the leg last week when he was caught in gang crossfire in the city.

Disney, which was to call at Mazatlan with the Disney Wonder for the first time this week, says as a result of safety concerns it has canceled all visits to the city "until further notice."

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2011/01/26/mexican-violence-causes-cruise-lines-drop-port-mazatlan/

1 posted on 01/04/2012 6:57:50 PM PST by dragnet2
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Disney, which was to call at Mazatlan with the Disney Wonder for the first time this week, says as a result of safety concerns it has canceled all visits to the city “until further notice.”

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2011/01/26/mexican-violence-causes-cruise-lines-drop-port-mazatlan/

What a surprise!


2 posted on 01/04/2012 6:58:53 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Does Mexico care. Or if it cares can it do anything.


3 posted on 01/04/2012 6:59:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: dragnet2
The Kernel took a cool million to promote it, now what?


4 posted on 01/04/2012 7:01:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

This has been coming a long time, due to not only the violence, but the U.S. economy.


5 posted on 01/04/2012 7:02:12 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

What did the US economy do to Mexico, just curious. Seems that the flow of enterprising illegales to the US has faltered, so their half-a-brain drain situation would be ameliorated. But again, the flow of dollars to Mexico from such folks would be lessened to.


6 posted on 01/04/2012 7:06:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: dragnet2

What did the US economy do to Mexico, just curious. Seems that the flow of enterprising illegales to the US has faltered, so their half-a-brain drain situation would be ameliorated. But again, the flow of dollars to Mexico from such folks would be lessened too.


7 posted on 01/04/2012 7:07:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What did the US economy do to Mexico, just curious.

Uh one factor,....Just a wild guess, but I suspect many Americans no longer have the money to go on week long cruises to Mehico.

8 posted on 01/04/2012 7:11:36 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I take a Caribbean cruise every February with Texas friends(we get a resident’s discount and can drive to Galveston)and I wish RCCL would drop Cozumel. Cozumel has lost its’ luster, now has fixed prices and armed troops patroling. I only go to the post office (to mail postcards to people that don’t do email) and the Cuban cigar store on the next block.


9 posted on 01/04/2012 7:16:35 PM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: dragnet2

we’ve been on three Disney cruises and are taking a fourth next August...its a carribean cruise which leaves out of Port Caneveral but we stop twice in Mexico; in Cancuun and Cozumel....wonder if we will see any changes...


10 posted on 01/04/2012 7:18:20 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: dragnet2

we’ve been on three Disney cruises and are taking a fourth next August...its a carribean cruise which leaves out of Port Caneveral but we stop twice in Mexico; in Cancuun and Cozumel....wonder if we will see any changes...


11 posted on 01/04/2012 7:18:52 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: razorback-bert
Wife and I used to visit Ixtapa after Christmas in the 1980s and 90s.
Not anymore.
12 posted on 01/04/2012 7:20:59 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Gimme that old time fossil fuel.)
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To: dragnet2
Really?.....the Disney parks in Orlando were filled to overflow during the holidays....and tickets aren't cheap!

Just last week the parks were at capacity!

Restaurants in our town are full all the time....

...Folks are getting their money somewhere.....and plenty of peole are still going on cruises.

13 posted on 01/04/2012 7:21:06 PM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: God luvs America

I wouldn’t cross the border into Mexico if ya held a gun at my back.

Have fun!


14 posted on 01/04/2012 7:21:32 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

True, and maybe a weaker dollar means Mexico is a less budgetarily attractive place for those still fortunate enough to be in the money, to go. Mexico attracted because it was paradise on the cheap.


15 posted on 01/04/2012 7:25:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: dragnet2
I wouldn’t cross the border into Mexico if ya held a gun at my back.

Me either brother! Made my last foray there in '69 with my buddy fresh back from Nam. Never again.

16 posted on 01/04/2012 7:26:40 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Hear ya!

We used to go fishing down there years ago...

Never again.


17 posted on 01/04/2012 7:28:29 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

We still cruse down there we just stay on the boat when in port we got the whole ship to our selfs


18 posted on 01/04/2012 7:31:20 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: dragnet2

Same here. I’ve been on five cruises and have had a few opportunities to cruise to Mexico. Declined them all. You couldn’t pay me to go to Mexico.


19 posted on 01/04/2012 7:31:42 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

Yep...And given the fact that millions from that country routinely disrespect our borders, rules and break our laws, I wouldn’t spend a dime there.

Payback can be a b***h.


20 posted on 01/04/2012 7:37:22 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
You could not film this series today.

70% of the stops Gopher, Julie, Issac, Doc, and Capt. Stubing visited, along with Zsa Zsa, Charo et al, are no longer visited by any of the cruise lines.

21 posted on 01/04/2012 7:59:15 PM PST by montag813
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To: dragnet2

I just got an email of cruise deals from Princess Cruises. One of them was a 14 day Panama cruise from Florida to LA. After stopping in Costa Rica it sails straight to LA without stopping anywhere in Mexico. Never heard of that before.


22 posted on 01/04/2012 8:10:09 PM PST by willk
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To: montag813

No doubt!


23 posted on 01/04/2012 8:10:44 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
"...I suspect many Americans no longer have the money to go on week long cruises to Mexico..."

As someone with direct knowledge of the cruise industry, I can tell you definitively that cruises are mostly booked solid -- on the disney, carnival, royal carib classes of ships.

these ships are not filled with rich people either.

I think it is more about these cities being absolute armpits where you are constantly harassed to buy crappy stuff. A lot of the Mexican cities in the Caribbean are not worth leaving the ship unless you have a guided tour.
24 posted on 01/04/2012 8:30:56 PM PST by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: dragnet2

Great. Is there a place in the world that isn’t reaping the whirlwind?


25 posted on 01/04/2012 8:37:03 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Inyo-Mono; dragnet2; fatnotlazy

I can see all the Mexicans I want just by walking down the street of my small town. Why pay to see them? Besides, we’re all already paying for them to vacation in America while robbing us blind.


26 posted on 01/04/2012 8:37:23 PM PST by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: Inyo-Mono; dragnet2; fatnotlazy

I can see all the Mexicans I want just by walking down the street of my small town. Why pay to see them? Besides, we’re all already paying for them to vacation in America while robbing us blind.


27 posted on 01/04/2012 8:37:42 PM PST by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: holyscroller

lol...


28 posted on 01/04/2012 8:43:13 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
I'd love to go on a Disney Cruise that went along the California coast, maybe San Diego to Los Angeles to San Francisco and a stop at Catalina Island.

It ticks me off that their only west coast options are to go to Mexico or Alaska.
29 posted on 01/04/2012 8:45:08 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (I also think that Obama should be defeated.)
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To: dragnet2

This impacts our local economy, here in the South Bay area of Los Angeles. Now, Alaska will be the only trip available, I guess. For some reason, I don’t think they do cruises to Hawaii. Maybe now is a good time to start.


30 posted on 01/04/2012 8:59:03 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: married21
This impacts our local economy

Too bad for the cruise lines, and those that supply these bloated barges...

All that crap pales in comparison to what tens of millions of illegal Mexicans are doing to our social services, choking off our hospitals, healthcare, schools, jails, welfare, you name it.

I wouldn't spend a dime in a country who's people routinely defecate on our rules, laws and borders.

31 posted on 01/04/2012 9:10:16 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: married21

DCL will be sailing to Hawaii twice next year, April and October. I think both sailings have proved very popular, so I think they may do it more often. Coincidentally, their Hawaii cruises all stop in Ensenada, MX since the Disney ships are all Bahama flagged.


32 posted on 01/04/2012 9:37:16 PM PST by UncleHambone ("Laughter is America's most important export." - Walt Disney)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“What did the US economy do to Mexico, just curious.”

Hurt the tourist economy, but not the drug economy, which is largely supported by U.S. Government wealth transfer payments.

I got yet another live example of this today. (It’s Welfare Check Day in the Inner-Cities tonite)


33 posted on 01/04/2012 9:59:42 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: UncleHambone

For those pondering an Endenada trip...dont. Just don’t. Once a great place. Long ago.


34 posted on 01/05/2012 12:15:16 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: laxcoach

You are right. There are cruises for people in every kind of income class. Cruises are good value for your money....this is why the cruise business is much larger than 30 years ago. Basic cost of the cruise is reasonable. The bills start adding up when you get off the ship

And if you are a rich old fart.... You can easily book a cruise that will cost you $20,000 for you and wife for 10 days. Lots of different level accomadations for the consumer


35 posted on 01/05/2012 12:26:20 AM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: dragnet2

Dittos...... I want nothing to do with that place


36 posted on 01/05/2012 12:27:39 AM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: willk
I just got an email of cruise deals from Princess Cruises. One of them was a 14 day Panama cruise from Florida to LA. After stopping in Costa Rica it sails straight to LA without stopping anywhere in Mexico. Never heard of that before.

That kind of says it all.....  roughly half your cruise distance and not one stop in a Mexican west coast port. People like to get off and stretch their legs but Mexico is too dangerous

37 posted on 01/05/2012 12:32:00 AM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: dennisw

I covered the SCORE Baja 500/1000/San Felipe races back in the late 90s/2000. Getting 20 miles south of Ensanada to Cabo reveals a stunningly beautiful country. But no more do than NorCal, the Grand Tetons, the Blue Mountains or the Adirondacks.

I certainly understand people’s desire to travel out of country, but many of them never traveled IN the country to the above or a thousand other places as beautiful.

Most are among the best people you’d ever want to meet and I have a number of friends there from my time at the races. But since South Central LA is now safer than Baja, that pretty much tells people all they need to know.


38 posted on 01/05/2012 1:46:25 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: dragnet2

Dear Disney Company;, Please stop sailing to ANY third world country that harbors muderers, rapists and kidnappers.

I suggest you buy a BIGGER island somewhere thats somewhat remote and build your own Mysterious Island.

Create your own maritime security force and if needed hide some SAMs in a castle or two.


39 posted on 01/05/2012 2:01:14 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Castigo Cay by Matt Bracken, check it out. And his other works.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

‘Not anymore.’

We were in Ixtapa about 1979, by air, not ship. Thru a Disney Travel Club or some such.
Barely anything there then . . . warm ocean and nice beach.


40 posted on 01/05/2012 4:09:05 AM PST by USARightSide ( SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS)
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To: USARightSide
Our first visit was in 1983 or 84. I think there were five or six hotels, a paved street from the airport to the hotel zone and not much else. Gradually, a ramble of little businesses grew up across from the hotels. The last time we spent a week at Ixtapa, there were about 200 small stores and restaurants serving the hotel guests.
We liked the Holiday Inn until it became a condo.
41 posted on 01/05/2012 5:21:35 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Gimme that old time fossil fuel.)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

I was once told the reason they have to stop in Mexico is because of US law. Because the Disney ships are registered in the Bahamas it is considered a foreign vessel. And the law states that all foreign passenger vessels that leave a US port must include a foreign port in its itenerary if it is to visit a 2nd US port. The reason has something to do about protecting US ships and their routes somehow. But that would be the reason why Disney and other lines have to stop in a Mexican or Canadian port during their trips.

There are various reasons why the big cruise ships especially are rarely registered in the United States. Taxes is a big one, but also because US law states that the ship would have to be staffed 100% with American citizens along with various other labor laws. As you know, cruise ships tend to have international staffs. The Bahamas has pretty lax rules on that kind of thing and lower taxes. So most cruise ships are registered in the Bahamas or other carribean islands.


42 posted on 01/05/2012 5:31:35 AM PST by floridarunner01
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To: dragnet2

Just came back from the Nice Mexico cruise. it avoided the bad towns that are on the drug trade, and visited PV, Cabo, and some nice smaller fishing villages on Baja.

Lines are avoiding ports for safety reasons, but they are cancelling cruises (and diverting to other regions) for FEAR reasons. The fact that they do this the consequence of the fear, not proof of the justification of the fear.

Looking forward to a week living in a nice house in a real neighborhood in PV next month.


43 posted on 01/05/2012 5:54:37 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: floridarunner01
I understand that, but Disney has plenty of cruises to Alaska and between ports of call in Hawaii. For that matter, they also have plenty of restaurants, hotels and resorts which are in America. Those are in the USA 100% of the time, so the same staffing issues should apply.

A nice hotel near a nice California beach will run $300 to $500 per night in the summer time, and would charge extra for food, parking, and amenities. So I don't see why they can't arrange a nice 4-5 night California cruise for a family of 4 for about $1,000 to $2,000.
44 posted on 01/05/2012 6:44:19 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority (I also think that Obama should be defeated.)
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45 posted on 01/05/2012 7:47:21 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: floridarunner01

What you’re referring to is called the “Jones Act.”
It mandates that shipping from US port to a US port must be done by US built ships staffed by US crews.
This law has been largely defeated by the Canadian National RR after they bought US Steel’s fleet of Great Lakes ore carriers.


46 posted on 01/05/2012 7:53:39 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Gimme that old time fossil fuel.)
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To: dennisw
I want nothing to do with that place

Yep, of all the places I'd like to go to, Mexico is certainly not on the list.

47 posted on 01/05/2012 1:45:13 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Norm Lenhart

None of those places are tropical and most are in the mountains. Some people have to get that tropical dose especially in the winter.


48 posted on 01/05/2012 2:27:57 PM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks dragnet2. It sez Mexican Riviera, but no low rider jokes please.


49 posted on 01/05/2012 4:06:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: dragnet2
I wouldn’t cross the border into Mexico if ya held a gun at my back.

No, no, see -- that's what happens after you get there.

Cheers!

50 posted on 01/05/2012 4:16:51 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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