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Lockheed reveals bold technology plans with 6th-gen fighter concept
Flight International ^ | 01/04/2012 | Stephen Trimble

Posted on 01/04/2012 8:02:11 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Lockheed reveals bold technology plans with 6th-gen fighter concept

By: Stephen Trimble Washington DC

Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works division has revealed a conceptual next-generation fighter design that offers the first hints of an ambitious, long-term technology strategy for the new class of tactical aircraft that will emerge after 2030.

The concept - published in a 2012 calendar distributed to journalists - indicates the company will continue to seek new breakthroughs in performance despite the risk-averse culture of today's weapons buyers in the US military.

Featuring an F-22-like nose, an unusually contoured wing and nearly flat canted tails, the concept suggests a new level of speed and agility.

©LOCKHEED MARTIN

Lockheed also seemed to take a thinly-veiled shot at a next generation fighter concept released in September by Boeing, which showed a manned and optionally manned, tailless fighter with a conventional wing.

"Simply removing the pilot from an aircraft or introducing incremental improvements in signature and range does not constitute a generational leap in capability," Lockheed said in response to Flightglobal's questions.

"These improvements are already being looked att for our fifth generation fighters," the company added.

Instead, possible technologies for a next-generation fighter should include "greatly increased speed", more range and new features like self-healing structures and multi-spectral stealth, the company said.

Such capabilities must be supported by new breakthroughs in propulsion, materials, power generation and weapons, Lockheed said, adding some of these are "yet to be fully imagined".

Lockheed acknowledged that breakthrough performance will not come cheap.

"This will require another significant investment in research and development from a standpoint of time and money," the company said.

So far, USAF leaders have not been committal about plans for a sixth-generation fighter to replace the F-22 after 2030. The air force is instead focused on buying 1,763 F-35As to replace the F-16 and A-10 fleets. New development funding is largely devoted to fielding a next generation bomber by the end of the decade.

Meanwhile, the USAF has initiated the first steps towards working on a next generation fighter. In November 2010, the Air Combat Command asked companies to submit ideas for the technologies and performance for a new fighter that would appear in 20 years. The Air Force Research Laboratory also is funding research on basic technologies that could feed into a sixth generation fighter programme.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f22; lockheedmartin; usaf
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What a wonderful opportunity to show a concept plane on the 2012 calendar that may be operational within 19 years.

Why don’t we just publish it’s cad/cam design so all of our enemies won’t have to spend lots of $$$ in the next 19 years to best our latest technology?

As a government, we are so stupid!

Remember, loose lips, sink ships!


21 posted on 01/04/2012 8:48:58 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I'm all for restarting the F-22 lines.

We're talking about next generation fighters, and it takes time to put one together. Now is time to start thinking about what replaces the F-22.

I believe in not fighting the last war.

Things work out so much better when you think and act ahead.

/johnny

22 posted on 01/04/2012 8:51:12 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

We have a generation of kids trained from birth practically on ever more realistic video games. You can bet that most Reaper etc ‘pilots’ had a copy of Ace Combat/ Falcon or similar back in high school and in their barracks now.

Once the military gets building/buying actual dogfighter type drones, there is an endless supply of ‘pilots’ about 50 % trained before they ever sign up for service.

Put him/her in a VR cockpit with a 360 view and the need for manned fighters is all but eliminated.

G limits...gone.
Maneuverability...through the roof.
Fear of death....gone.

Drones are a great idea, though we should always have real pilots because there is the very real danger of the communication tech between ‘pilot’ and craft being hacked. That’s the only downside I can imagine to drone warfare.


23 posted on 01/04/2012 8:52:00 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Restart the F-22 lines

They may want to fix the oxygen system first. Pilots and F-22's are too expensive to auger into the ground for lack of Oxygen.
24 posted on 01/04/2012 8:52:11 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Heck, even more F-15’s and F-16’s would be nice along with a lower cost tier like an F-5, perhaps the updated F-20 variant would do. (The F-5/20 is a fave of mine)


25 posted on 01/04/2012 8:54:56 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: Norm Lenhart
That’s the only downside I can imagine to drone warfare.

Wait... Didn't that happen during Gulf War I? Didn't we send hundreds of robot drones (cruise missiles) off to fly to their destination and take out their targets without human intervention?

Why, yes, it did happen.

We've already got robot wars. We need to get better than everybody else faster than everybody else.

/johnny

26 posted on 01/04/2012 8:56:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Norm Lenhart

If some kid trained from birth to fly a virtual jet from the Nevada desert can fly an American plane with a huge arsenal.

A kid trained from birth to fly a virtual jet from the steppes of Kazakhistan or Xinjiang, can fly an American plane with a huge arsenal, as long as they’ve got access to the right technology, satellites and hacks - the sort of resources adversarial nations have. In fact, it’s increasingly likely that’s where some of the technology was produced.

Contemplate that.

America is not alone in knowing how to do things.

In fact, the more we outsource, the more such technology we LOSE.

The more vulnerable we become, to being trumped at even our very best.

“Free trade” is dangerous.


27 posted on 01/04/2012 9:05:39 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (ROMNEY / ALINSKY 2012 (sarcasm))
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To: JRandomFreeper
Get rid of the pilot and what you have is another expensive drone for Iran to hijack. Drones need to be cheap and low tech, so you don't care when you lose them. Put another way a battery of s-300 missiles costs Iran 91 million dollars just for the radar and launchers. The missiles cost just under a million each. So if you can get the drones under 5 million a pop they become prohibitively expensive to shoot down. Think V-1 with GPZ guidance ans you are on the right track.

Pilots are expensive and life precious so you give the guys the best for those missions that only a man can do. Drones need to be cheap, mass produced, and expendable. A billion dollar drone defeats the main advantages of the drone. It is too expensive to risk, or to mass produce.
28 posted on 01/04/2012 9:07:48 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I cannot deny a word of what you wrote.


29 posted on 01/04/2012 9:10:58 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Very true, but I was getting at a dogfighting kind of scenario.

Personally I’m all for the big bomb approach. I do not in any way agree with or understand the concept of ‘limited warfare.” If we are going to go to war as a country, we should go total, win and go home.

And to hell with the UN.


30 posted on 01/04/2012 9:14:21 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: GonzoGOP
So get rid of the weak link. The link, in other words. Make them autonomous.

A large part of the cost of any AC project is man-rating it. Same with space.

Lots of hoops to jump through for that.

/johnny

31 posted on 01/04/2012 9:15:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: montanajoe
They already have...

"Anything you can imagine we already know how to do."-Ben Rich, Lockheed Chief, Skunkworks

Other Ben Rich quotes:

"The U. S. Air Force has just given us a contract to take E. T. back home."

"We also know how to travel to the stars."

"If you've seen it in Star Trek or Star Wars, we've been there and done that."

"We have things in the Nevada desert that are alien to your way of thinking far beyond anything you see on Star Trek."

32 posted on 01/04/2012 9:18:17 PM PST by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: Norm Lenhart
but I was getting at a dogfighting kind of scenario.

Our current pilots get our robot dogfighters (missiles) close, and then pickle them off to go do the manuevers that would kill a pilot.

As I've said. We've already got robot wars. We need to get better at it faster than everybody else.

/johnny

33 posted on 01/04/2012 9:18:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Even split the difference. It’s not that complex to create a system where if the direct link from American Military satX is cut or interfered with, the drone cuts communication, goes full auto and flies back to base.

If China etc get around that then they have control of the satellites and we are dead anyway.


34 posted on 01/04/2012 9:22:20 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Don't forget that one of the selling points of the F-22 was the highly integrated computer interaction between aircraft to coordinate the battlespace.

Which involves data links, which can be hacked, or spoofed.

Just like a drone.

/johnny

35 posted on 01/04/2012 9:23:51 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Problem is the OODA loop is getting tighter.

We won't have years, like we did in WWII to fix problems, learn on the job and get it right.

We need to get ahead of the (potential) enemy, and be inside his OODA loop.

And I don't particularly care where that leads us technically. I'm not one to make a piece of hardware a fetish. It works, or I make something that does.

/johnny

36 posted on 01/04/2012 9:30:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Nowhere Man

Years ago, I read something like that. Some tech reverse engineered some old artifact and figured out how to do math in his head.


37 posted on 01/04/2012 9:42:42 PM PST by Dawggie
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To: JRandomFreeper

“And I don’t particularly care where that leads us technically. I’m not one to make a piece of hardware a fetish. It works, or I make something that does.”

Tangent time but I promise to tie this together ;)

Short version - I spent years as the Ed of an Off-Road motorsport site and dealt with enviro issues pertaining to land closures etc. Biggest lesson learned was that the regulations caused by the green commie groups to further their desire to wreck the concept of America, lie at the heart of most of our current problems. The voting public however refuses to accept the feel-good whale warriors don’t really want to save anything but Marxism.

Now, to the point...

Columbia vaporized over eco correct foam damaged a heat tile. Greens banned the stuff that worked for a couple decades over flourocarbons.

Training grounds, facilities across the globe have been shut down or heavily restricted over the endangered snarfblat and cactus feelgoodicus.

The technologies used in creating, maintaining etc our greatest weapons have been blacklisted at worst and generally legislated to a bare level of usability by OSHA and unions.

I totally agree that we gotta be better faster yesterday. And until we as a people give the infection that is the left a shot of right wing penicillin, we are well and truly blanked. That’s really the one and only thing stopping us and has been for 50 years. We forfeited our exceptionalism to embrace liberalism. Every single problem in the world today has it’s roots in the left at some level.


38 posted on 01/04/2012 9:58:24 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Kinda look like this:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/a37.asp


39 posted on 01/04/2012 10:03:08 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Norm Lenhart
AMEN! Preach it brother!

/johnny

40 posted on 01/04/2012 10:03:31 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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