Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Hospitals Stuck With Illegal Immigrants, Uninsured ‘Permanent Patients’ at Massive Cost
Yahoo News ^ | 1/3/2)12

Posted on 01/05/2012 2:46:10 AM PST by South40

An unpleasant new report claims that many hospitals in major metro areas are struggling with the growing problem of “permanent patients.”

What’s a “permanent patient”? According to the New York Times they are mostly illegal immigrants or people who lack insurance or their own housing that the hospital cannot turn away.

((snip))

The fact of the matter is that hospitals in metro areas that host a large illegal immigrant population are unable to turn away patients who have neither insurance nor proof that they are in the United States legally– two things necessary for discharge purposes and reimbursements, said Chui Man Lai, assistant vice president of patient services at a New York state hospital.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; corruption; criminalaliens; democrats; fraud; illegalimmigration; immigration; obama; paramexicansites; taxes

1 posted on 01/05/2012 2:46:11 AM PST by South40
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: South40

*smiles*.......look into how many are “stored” in US mental hospital and at what cost


2 posted on 01/05/2012 2:50:16 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: South40

This is why our hospitals are closing; less Americans will have real access to healthcare by the end of Obama’s one-term rule, despite all of us having “free” healthcare. I guess by “free healthcare” he meant we could all access WebMD from the local library...


3 posted on 01/05/2012 2:54:47 AM PST by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: South40
...and if they get released from a cookie farm.....

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for Medicaid, almost ensuring their stays at mental health hospitals could be an average of 25 days longer than other patients because they cannot easily be discharged to assisted living facilities or group homes after they are declared mentally stable

...not deported, but sent to a government paid home that is suppose to be for citizens

4 posted on 01/05/2012 2:59:56 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2

....read about the illegals in Mental Institutions a few years back costing the citizens of NJ 100 MILLION a year...there’s over two hundred in Jersey alone


5 posted on 01/05/2012 3:02:58 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: South40
paramexicansites
6 posted on 01/05/2012 3:09:41 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: South40

Just legalize them. That will fix it. /s


7 posted on 01/05/2012 3:34:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: South40

At massive costs to those of us WITH insurance, you mean.


8 posted on 01/05/2012 3:35:55 AM PST by rintense
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: South40

Absolutely not different than the inner-cities where 4 generations have had free medical care, just by going to the Emergency Room with runny noses, and drug overdoses....Medicaid (TAXPAYERS) are stuck with the costs, and what isn’t covered is made up in charges to Insured Patients.


9 posted on 01/05/2012 3:42:47 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2
This is why our hospitals are closing

Yes, it is. The hospital with an ER that was closest to my house closed years ago due to the millions it had been losing each year treating ILLEGAL aliens. Now there is but one hospital serving twice as many people and it is so overrun with ILLEGALs and other patients the average wait for non-life threatening illness is 12 hours.

Cost is one thing. But when timely and needed medical care is being adversely affected by the ILLEGAL hordes something must be done. Unfortunately, no one has the knads to take on the issue so it just keeps getting worse.

10 posted on 01/05/2012 3:47:54 AM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: South40
How many years do they need to be there before noot declares them legal.
11 posted on 01/05/2012 4:00:50 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: traditional1

Some of us are advocating an end to that too.

I don’t support half a trillion dollars in welfare each year. Well, perhaps I do, but I want it to stop.


12 posted on 01/05/2012 4:02:02 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: South40
Deport them or treat them as mexico would a Honduran... just shoot the bastards... either way is fine with me. They are enemy combatants IMHO.

LLS

13 posted on 01/05/2012 4:25:22 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: South40

It would be very difficult and positively unchristian to fight this battle at the hospital level. It absolutely has to be resolved at the border level and at the state and federal govt. level.


14 posted on 01/05/2012 4:48:25 AM PST by RC one (Scorch the earth Newt. Scorch it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: South40
Hey, I got a great idea! Let's import as many illiterate people from third world hell holes as we possibly can, give them low skill jobs under the table to keep American teens and blue collar workers idle, pay them to breed reliable Democratic voters and require hospitals to treat them for free whenever they show up. I mean, what could possibly go wrong? I mean we are guaranteed to have an electorate that is bone-idle, illiterate and looks to the government for all its needs. It'll be utopia.
15 posted on 01/05/2012 4:54:35 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: South40

This is why the hospital where my wife is a nurse is cutting staff. They need to ‘cut costs’, because they have a large percentage of the patient population that is here illegally, cannot pay, and that the hospital insists must be treated. Many of the illegals get treated for things my insurance would laugh at - but THEY get it.

Of course, how they will go on treating more and more patients for free by cutting staff is a bit problematic. Maybe someday there will be 700 beds and one nurse...


16 posted on 01/05/2012 5:04:13 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: traditional1

Not just the inner cities, but out here in the boonies of Kentucky too. People brag about their “medical card” like it’s an entitlement and use the ER like a free clinic. They get their “free” antibiotics & painkillers and take a “free” cab back home.

I have a $150 ER co-pay, and have to meet my $1000 deductible...so in my house no one goes to the ER unless they’re dying.


17 posted on 01/05/2012 5:07:09 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: South40

We’re the stupid ones for paying for insurance and co-pays. Half of our bill is for someone else who didn’t pay.

This is not new. Twenty years ago nearby hospital closed because of this so now there isn’t a hospital in the entire county. Too bad for US citizens in need of emergency care.


18 posted on 01/05/2012 5:17:15 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: South40
Send them home express delivery.


19 posted on 01/05/2012 5:17:54 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: South40

I’m wondering where in the constitution does is require citizens to pay unlimited medical costs for “permanent patients” in this country illegally?


20 posted on 01/05/2012 6:49:09 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]




Click Florida

Free Republic Is America's Brightest Hope

Abolish FReepathons
Donate monthly

21 posted on 01/05/2012 8:01:14 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2
these are the impossible mandates handed down by burearcrats....find places to put all their patients or else...but you must keep treating them even if you're not paid....

that's why eventually the govt will take over all hospitals....all the hospitals will be bankrupted..

22 posted on 01/05/2012 10:22:47 AM PST by cherry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2
these are the impossible mandates handed down by bureaucrats....find places to put all their patients or else...but you must keep treating them even if you're not paid....

that's why eventually the govt will take over all hospitals....all the hospitals will be bankrupted..

23 posted on 01/05/2012 10:23:13 AM PST by cherry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: South40; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

24 posted on 01/05/2012 10:27:35 AM PST by HiJinx (I can (still) see Mexico from my back porch.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rintense
the great bargain when you are a citizen....you obey laws and you pay taxes....

you pay not only income taxes, but SS and Medicare taxes....thinking that you'll get SS and Medicare when its your turn...

but surprise....there is no SS or Medicare for you....those who never worked or paid taxes are just going to take it all....

this is why I'm against illegals....they don't participate in paying for our system but take all the advantages...

25 posted on 01/05/2012 10:28:01 AM PST by cherry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Doogle

I’m not surprised; by our PREVIOUS governor’s own admission, NJ lost population without factoring in illegal aliens. States are aiding & abetting them to avoid ghost towns; any city in NJ is proof.


26 posted on 01/05/2012 3:37:23 PM PST by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: South40

I took my wife to the hospital one night a couple of years ago because she was feeling very crappy very quickly; we waited so long (in a sea of apparent illegals) that she felt better after a few hours and we left. Because we had registered when we went in, they sent us a bill; she hadn’t been seen by a doctor, so the bill has never been paid.

I’m going to venture a guess that none of the hospital’s other bills for that night were ever paid, either.


27 posted on 01/05/2012 3:41:44 PM PST by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: cherry

The government doesn’t want them, either; they are massive drains of funds at a time when you can’t squeeze any more out of the taxpayers (individual or corporate). Eventually our healthcare system will be a chain of First Care clinics; they don’t have beds for people to settle down in for a few years or so.


28 posted on 01/05/2012 3:44:58 PM PST by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: RC one
It absolutely has to be resolved at the border level and at the state and federal govt. level.

Agreed, lots cheaper to dump 'em over the border than to keep housing and treating them here.

29 posted on 01/05/2012 3:58:23 PM PST by norton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2
I’m going to venture a guess that none of the hospital’s other bills for that night were ever paid, either.

Not necessarily. The federal government is subsidizing hospitals to assist in the overwhelming cost of treating both ILLEGALs and others who can't or don't pay. In your case I wouldn't have paid either.

I had a similar event. I have used power tools all my life. I've used most every type of power saw imaginable. So how ironic is it that I nearly cut the index finger off of my right hand with a razor knife? The knife was defective allowing the blade to penetrate through the two halves of the handle cutting into my finger and stripping skin and tissue off similar to how you would strip the insulation from a copper wire. I went to the closest ER where they told me they did not accept my insurance. They suggested I go to the other now closed ER a few miles away. But before they let me go they wanted a doctor to see me. I told them I was leaving so they brought the dr in right away. He looked at my injury and determined it was non-life threatening and said I could go. I realized they were just covering their butt legally by having him look me over when they asked me to sign a paper saying I was leaving of my own will. I walked out. About 60 days later I received a bill which I didn't pay. They refused treatment, I refused payment. I never heard from them again.

30 posted on 01/05/2012 4:19:35 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: South40

That’s absurd (and infuriating); did they pursue the bill? In our case I called them as soon as I got it, told them my wife hadn’t been treated, and it wouldn’t be paid; we never heard from them again.

The “charity care” reimbursement eventually doomed north Jersey’s hospitals because basically the state was continually cutting the amounts of reimbursement paid to the hospitals for such care; the state had become the main “client”, and as the payments were reduced the hospitals starting losing millions. Many closed, and those that are still open are jammed with illegals using the ER as “doctor visits” (since they can’t refuse to “stabilize” a person). Some friends were constantly getting hospital bills in their mail with various Spanish names; they were on a main street, and as near as they could figure the address was simply being written on some forms somewhere as the illegals were seeking treatment. The post office couldn’t stop them, but nobody was seeking to collect them, either - they were simply fictitious info (that would never be paid).

One way some got around this was by simply closing their emergency rooms; they still do all kinds of procedures there, but you bet every person walking in has an appointment (and legal residency, and means to pay, etc.). Those places are filled with Americans.


31 posted on 01/05/2012 7:12:58 PM PST by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2

They did not pursue the bill. Ironically, I am now with that healthcare provider and they have never mentioned the incident. It wouldn’t matter if they did. As I said, they didn’t treat me and only had a dr see me to relieve themselves of liability. No treatment = no money due.


32 posted on 01/05/2012 7:37:49 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: South40

“As I said, they didn’t treat me and only had a dr see me to relieve themselves of liability. No treatment = no money due.”

I don’t think the doctor was to relieve them of responsibility as much as to generate a bill; his “releasing” you doesn’t necessarily absolve him of anything (though it might work for the hospital itself).

I think that as angry as Americans are now, they will be even more so when they realize the permanence of our reduced “services” (especially here in the northeast); our taxes & tolls continue rising, while roads remain unrepaired and the rest of our infrastructure ages. Just as we’ve had successive generations of our permanent underclass, we also have successive generations of public employees completely unprepared for life in the private sector (or the unemployment line). Here in NJ we won’t be hiring cops, firemen, and teachers in any meaningful numbers for years to come, and those that prepared for those jobs have to look elsewhere, as that preparation/education leave them capable of doing little else for a living wage (in a high-cost part of the country where companies & American taxpayers are fleeing).


33 posted on 01/05/2012 7:52:06 PM PST by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2
Well if their goal was to generate a billable visit they failed. :-)

Life in San Diego County ain't all bad. Certainly living so close to the Mexican border isn't the best part of it. I'm actually surprised to hear the problems we have here are happening in states like NJ.

btw...I love Northern NJ. I have family in Vernon Twp. It's quite the contrast from what I have here in East San Diego County, aka, northern Tijuana. They have black bears traversing through their yards. We have ILLEGAL aliens.

34 posted on 01/05/2012 8:14:59 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: South40

Vernon is in the “American quarter” in NJ; beautiful country. I live in the “International Quarter” (people from literally everywhere, though mostly Asians & Hispanics) directly between Newark & Jersey City. Until ten years ago I’d never met a Mexican (though’s we’ve had South & Central Americans here for decades); now they’re all over. NJ and NY both have a lot of the same problems California has, for the same reasons: If you tax nad regulate people & companies out the wazoo, they leave for a better business/tax climate; if the only way to prevent the complete abandonment of the state is to actively attract illegals, throwing out any laws in the process, then so be it. They thought that would keep at least the gubmint workers on the job, though now they’re realizing there is no tax base in illegals. Working under the table generates no income tax, and living in illegal apartments generates no property tax; it just makes life unbearable for the remaining Americans. This place now looks a lot like the places these illegals fled from.


35 posted on 01/05/2012 8:24:39 PM PST by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Lonesome in Massachussets

*poof* Your wish has been granted!


36 posted on 01/06/2012 12:11:00 PM PST by BinaryBoy (Stuck with a local RINO? Regardless of who you vote for, donate $$$ to a different district.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson