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Retired Army colonel charged with stealing
Arizona Daily Star ^

Posted on 01/05/2012 11:39:48 AM PST by SandRat

This Colonel is a disgrace. He should face a Military Gerneral Courts Martial. Then on conviction he could have his discharge changed to a Dishonerable Discharge, be reduced in rank to E-1, get Federal Military Prison time, and loose all pay and benefits.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: disgrace; theft

1 posted on 01/05/2012 11:39:55 AM PST by SandRat
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To: SandRat

no, trial - then shot.

wutta scumbag


2 posted on 01/05/2012 11:45:35 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: SandRat

no, trial - then shot.

wutta scumbag


3 posted on 01/05/2012 11:46:02 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: SandRat

I could not agree more. This is absolutely appalling.


4 posted on 01/05/2012 11:46:35 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: SandRat

Makes one wonder what he stole while he was active duty.


5 posted on 01/05/2012 11:47:23 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: SandRat

Is that even possible? I’m not sure you can court martial a retired officer, unless it happened while he was active.


6 posted on 01/05/2012 11:49:33 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: SandRat
I'll never understand how people like this can live with themselves....
7 posted on 01/05/2012 11:50:05 AM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: SandRat

Amen to that!


8 posted on 01/05/2012 11:51:54 AM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: SandRat

He is, indeed, a disgrace. FWIW, officers don’t get punitive discharges pursuant to courts martial, they get dismissed. Also, you can’t reduce an officer in rank via court martial sentence; however, in the Air Force we do a rank determination to determine at what grade the member honorably served. That’s why Col Mike Murphy, an AF JAG, retired as an O-1 (second lieutenant) after it was discovered that he’d been disbarred. Long, sad story (I sat second chair to him my first few courts-martial as a JAGlet and was floored when the charges came to light).

Colonel, USAFR


9 posted on 01/05/2012 11:53:33 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: edpc

You’re correct.


10 posted on 01/05/2012 11:54:55 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: edpc
As a Retired Field Grade officer I am still subject to Courts Martial for any crimes I commit even if those crimes were committed after Retirement and bring disgrace on the service.
11 posted on 01/05/2012 11:56:26 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Don’t know a thing about this gentleman but seeing how this is coming from Arizona and somtimes, just sometimes mind you, there is a lot more to the story than meets the eye.


12 posted on 01/05/2012 11:57:08 AM PST by Cyman
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To: SandRat

This guy would make the ethics of the average prison inmate look good by comparison. Incredible.


13 posted on 01/05/2012 11:57:08 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: edpc
He is still in the inactive reserve. If the Army wants a piece of him, he can get called up to active duty then tried by courts martial.

Since it is a crime under federal jurisdiction he can also be charged and tried in a federal court.

14 posted on 01/05/2012 11:57:54 AM PST by pfflier
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To: SandRat

Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne says a retired colonel has been charged with stealing $2 million from a fund to help families of national guard soldiers deployed overseas.

Wow! That is very low. I was thinking it was some corporate theft, but to steal from the troops is absolutely disgusting. He deserves whatever happens. I am surprised they made him an E-1. I didn’t know officers could go to E-1. I thought he would be an O-1.


15 posted on 01/05/2012 11:58:19 AM PST by napscoordinator (President Santorum is our future! A miracle is happening before our eyes!)
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To: jagusafr; SandRat

You two can settle this, I think.


16 posted on 01/05/2012 11:59:19 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: SandRat

Juan McLame will be all OVER this in 5 .. 4 .. 3 .. 2 .. 1 ..


17 posted on 01/05/2012 12:02:24 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: edpc

“Is that even possible? I’m not sure you can court martial a retired officer, unless it happened while he was active.”

He sure as hell can be grought on stealing, retired or not.


18 posted on 01/05/2012 12:05:47 PM PST by DaveA37
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To: napscoordinator
A General Courts Martial under the UCMJ is authorized at the sentencing hearing to reduce him to the lowest enlisted rank, imprsion, and order the forfeiture of all pay allowances and benefits,
19 posted on 01/05/2012 12:06:02 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: edpc

“Is that even possible? I’m not sure you can court martial a retired officer, unless it happened while he was active.”

He sure as hell can be brought on stealing, retired or not.


20 posted on 01/05/2012 12:06:15 PM PST by DaveA37
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To: Cyman
I don't know if this is the same case but, during construction of the fence near Yuma, there was a lot of scrap material.

The local OIC of the project asked what to do with it and got an ambiguous reply from his chain of command. The OIC then sold it as scrap locally and used the funds for MWR for the NG troops locally. Seems like that was about a year or so ago.

After the fact, the whole thing blew up as mismanagement of resources and the MSM had its panties in a bunch over it.

21 posted on 01/05/2012 12:06:15 PM PST by pfflier
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To: SandRat

You are correct. Article 2 of the UCMJ, subsection (a)(4) Persons Subject to this Chapter, “Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.”

That includes you and I.


22 posted on 01/05/2012 12:07:11 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: SandRat

I’m broken hearted to read this. It makes me think such activity is rampant and we just don’t know about it. I remember reading a book written about a time when NCO clubs had slot machines for entertainment. The money was skimmed by active duty and civilian managers. I think they all went to prison. With the high tech of today, it’s all probably harder to catch.


23 posted on 01/05/2012 12:18:49 PM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: SandRat

Thanks. I had no idea. You learn something everyday on Free Republic. Thank you.


24 posted on 01/05/2012 12:35:44 PM PST by napscoordinator (President Santorum is our future! A miracle is happening before our eyes!)
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To: FryingPan101
It was rampant in Nam and Germany, mostly Nam.
25 posted on 01/05/2012 12:44:40 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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26 posted on 01/05/2012 1:26:41 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: SandRat
A General Courts Martial under the UCMJ is authorized at the sentencing hearing to reduce him to the lowest enlisted rank, imprsion, and order the forfeiture of all pay allowances and benefits

IIRC, this puke is still a Major.

27 posted on 01/05/2012 1:32:58 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BerryDingle

But that puke hasn’t been Courts Martialed,... YET.


28 posted on 01/05/2012 1:49:53 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

The Department of Military Affairs in Montana is only missing $23 million.


29 posted on 01/05/2012 2:04:32 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: HiJinx; Old Sarge
This is disgusting.
30 posted on 01/05/2012 2:31:08 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat; HiJinx

Well, of COURSE he stole from the National Guard. Who cares about the National Guard? After all we’re not REAL soldiers, are we?

Pull his ass back on active duty, and let UCMJ come down on his neck like a Muslim sword. Forfeiture of all pay and benefits, reduction in rank, and Dishonorable.

Oh, and a General Officer Letter of Reprimand for his 201 file.


31 posted on 01/05/2012 2:48:48 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Old Sarge
Oh, and a General Officer Letter of Reprimand for his 201 file.

Hey, I got one of those! It sits on the page right next to my Army Commendation Medal certificate, signed by the same GO, for the same exercise. It's what I got for being low man on the totem pole.

32 posted on 01/05/2012 3:01:06 PM PST by HiJinx (I can (still) see Mexico from my back porch.)
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To: HiJinx

Oh, there must be a beer story behind THAT little chapter.


33 posted on 01/05/2012 3:03:59 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Old Sarge; HiJinx

Next time he visits his Dad, he better come over and have one with me!

HiJinx, I got Bitburger from the base class VI!


34 posted on 01/05/2012 3:28:53 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: SandRat
Gads. Just one more reason to despise officers.

SFC(ret) USA

35 posted on 01/05/2012 4:46:05 PM PST by Sarajevo (Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental)
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To: Sarajevo
Probably got passed over for BG so often he had a stiff neck from the breeze. lol
36 posted on 01/05/2012 5:03:14 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

“It was rampant in Nam and Germany, mostly Nam”

I’m sure. The case I knew about was in the fifties at NCO Clubs in Germany and Japan. I think the book was called the Khaki Mafia or something like that. My husband was a retired field grade officer too with two tours in Vietnam. If he heard of anything like that there, he never mentioned it. He died eight months ago today. AO exposure-related cancer.


37 posted on 01/05/2012 6:19:25 PM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: FryingPan101
He died eight months ago today. AO exposure-related cancer.

Condolences to you.

38 posted on 01/05/2012 7:43:21 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Alas Babylon!; Old Sarge

Woo-Hoo, Bitburger is great!

I think we need to plan a trip this year, it’s been too long...


39 posted on 01/06/2012 9:35:01 AM PST by HiJinx (I can (still) see Mexico from my back porch.)
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To: Old Sarge

Oh, yeah! It was a REFORGER; we changed into civvies after EndEx and went to a local Gasthaus. Yummmm.....


40 posted on 01/06/2012 9:36:25 AM PST by HiJinx (I can (still) see Mexico from my back porch.)
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To: SandRat
loose all pay and benefits.

I wouldn't stop there, I would make him lose all pay and benefits. That'll serve him right!!

41 posted on 01/16/2012 6:26:02 PM PST by OldPossum
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