Skip to comments.French Senate to vote on Armenian 'genocide' law this month
Posted on 01/05/2012 12:57:01 PM PST by george76
The French Government announced recently that the Senate is to debate the bill penalizing the denial of the Armenian 'genocide' by late January. The lower chamber of the French parliament approved the draft with an overwhelming majority of votes on December 22.
After the passage of the bill by the National Assembly, Turkeys state-run television said Ankara was recalling its ambassador from Paris. Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan later said the country was freezing its political, economic and military ties with France.
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Maybe the frogs should investigate all the jews they shipped to their deaths from the Drancy internment camp. What miserable self-important trash.
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Why would any senate move to outlaw what someone says... Unless it were true? If it is only silly falsehoods why ban it? Whenever a governmental functionary says you can be punished by law for saying something, I seriously doubt it would be for saying something untrue. If you really want to anger people, then tell them the truth.
Yet Turkey has never admitted it even happened and tried to punish anyone who said otherwise. There’s no remorse there at all. And for that they should not be forgiven.
Has the French government and the Catholic Church apologized for the massacre of tens of thousands of Christians murdered as heretics ?
They should get their own house in order if that is possible before chunking rocks at others
Are you trying to side with Turkey on this one by denying the Armenian Genocide? Thats what it sounds like you're saying...
So the Holocaust didn’t happen either right?
I’m not for laws limiting free speech but because a country has one doesn’t automatically mean it is hiding a lie.
The french just want to poke their fingers in the eye of someone they consider filthier. “We admitted our genocide.” Oh please.
Uncensored Edition of British Blue Book Sheds Light on Armenian Genocide
Viscount James Bryce and Arnold Toynbee were commissioned to prepare the Blue Book, which is formally known as The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, 19151916. Toynbee carefully compiled and verified dozens of eyewitness accounts from different parts of the Ottoman Empire. These accounts provided the basis for Bryces brilliant thesis on the Genocide, published while the crime was still in progress.
The book includes eyewitness accounts from United States consular and missionary sources, as well as the testimony of German, Italian, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Greek, Kurdish, and Armenian witnesses.
I’m not denying the holocaust never happened, please don’t put words in my mouth. I just can’t understand why someone would ban by law the denial of their version of events... Unless their version was untrue.
As far a I recall Turkey does not deny the horrors but will not describe it as genocide. Turkey also disputes the death count and points to the huge number of Turks killed during the W.W.I hostilities that had Russia and Armenia battling Germany and the Ottoman Empire.
It would be far better IMO if Armenia would just come out and admit this rather than year-after-year, country-after-country demand resolutions condemning modern Turkey for something that happened 100 years ago before modern Turkey existed. To wit,
"the admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is an issue of secondary importance for us. The following issue must be raised: a cruel crime was committed against the Armenian people. The whole nation was actually annihilated, our lands were seized and our 3,000-year-old culture was destroyed. This is not only a cruel crime, but also a great injustice. Therefore, our true demand is compensation for this injustice. The world must know about what happened, and we have to a great extent succeeded. The Turkish side is well aware that the step to follow the admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey will be a demand for compensation and return of the lands. This is the reason why Turkey will not admit the Armenian Genocide . . . ."
So what happens now? the Kurds also demand the same territory -- who by the way were also guilty of murdering thousands of Armenians -- as well was Kaiser Wilhelm II German Emperor aware and, some say, abetted the attempted extermination of Russia's ally, the Armenians.
I recall that the article (that I linked) admits that Turkey acknowledges the deaths. The horrors did in fact happen. There are elsewhere claims of hundreds of thousands of Turk civilians killed also.. the real issue seems to be territory and retribution demanded of modern Turkey.
(Lawsuits have forced insurance companies to pay Armenians in recent years.)
BTW, speaking of murdering the Armenian people and destroying Armenian culture -- how many Armenians were killed when the Bolsheviks took over and, I think, made Armenia the first Soviet "republic" established outside of Russia?
I suppose they are banning it for the same reason some have banned holocaust denial. Denying such events is dangerous and the type of people who do are NOT people you want in your country if you can avoid it...
I know what you mean. Only a fool would deny that something happened that did, or deny that something that is so isn’t. If certain UN functionaries had their way they would ban the criticism of Islam.
If a governmental functionary told you it was unlawful to refer to Islam as anything other then a peaceful passive religion would you believe it? I sure as he’ll wouldn’t.
I would have to disagree. The government of Turkey has acknowledged the horrific deaths -- on both sides. I attempted to offer a little more information above.
There has been no attempt to hide the horror of those W.W. I and following events. But genocide is not the word to use -- I found that out real quick when I lived in Ankara.
I have done only cursory searches but it seems to me that the primary issue is not the horrors -- no one anywhere denies the actions of the Ottoman empire against the Armenians -- but keeping the charges of "genocide" going is a means to an end. That's how I read the above article linked in my first reply.
Armenia calls eastern Turkey, western Armenia. The Armenian want it back and then some -- I suppose they lost it to Mustafa Kemal during the war for independence after W.W.I.
Two Turks arrested in Switzerland for denying the Armenian Genocide. The article describes the following (from another Internet source) "The Swiss police reported that the Turks were arrested at a conference in the Zurich suburb of Winterthur, where posters were hung up and leaflets distributed rejecting that the killing was genocide. One of them is reported as initiator of the event and the other was shouting slogans before a crowd. The law providing for punishment for the denial of the Armenian Genocide was adopted in Switzerland in 2005. Last week, a Swiss cantonal court upheld the conviction against Dogu Perincek, the leader of the Workers' Party (IP), as well as an order for him to pay a fine of 3,000 Swiss francs ($2,450). Police in the canton of Zurich identified the two arrested individuals as a 57-year-old resident of Germany and a 51-year-old Swiss resident."
(It is kind of neat seeing that Muslims in Europe can be charged -- I guess the guys weren't Islamists or Jihadists.)
So Armenians want this for France, America, et al. also? They have serious issues with the modern Republic of Turkey. We have enough problems. Turkey and Armenia are next door to each other. Start talking! Fat chance! We'll give up California to Mexicorruption before Turkey will give up eastern Turkey to Armenia --- wot? OK. Nevada.