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To: SpaceBar
RE: "The government there chooses not to officially recognize the event because they feel it's politically embarrassing, period."

I would have to disagree. The government of Turkey has acknowledged the horrific deaths -- on both sides. I attempted to offer a little more information above.

There has been no attempt to hide the horror of those W.W. I and following events. But genocide is not the word to use -- I found that out real quick when I lived in Ankara.

I have done only cursory searches but it seems to me that the primary issue is not the horrors -- no one anywhere denies the actions of the Ottoman empire against the Armenians -- but keeping the charges of "genocide" going is a means to an end. That's how I read the above article linked in my first reply.

Armenia calls eastern Turkey, western Armenia. The Armenian want it back and then some -- I suppose they lost it to Mustafa Kemal during the war for independence after W.W.I.

19 posted on 01/05/2012 2:12:37 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Admitting the horror but "rejecting that the killing was genocide" -- still go to prison! -- you want that in America?

Two Turks arrested in Switzerland for denying the Armenian Genocide. The article describes the following (from another Internet source) "The Swiss police reported that the Turks were arrested at a conference in the Zurich suburb of Winterthur, where posters were hung up and leaflets distributed rejecting that the killing was genocide. One of them is reported as initiator of the event and the other was shouting slogans before a crowd. The law providing for punishment for the denial of the Armenian Genocide was adopted in Switzerland in 2005. Last week, a Swiss cantonal court upheld the conviction against Dogu Perincek, the leader of the Workers' Party (IP), as well as an order for him to pay a fine of 3,000 Swiss francs ($2,450). Police in the canton of Zurich identified the two arrested individuals as a 57-year-old resident of Germany and a 51-year-old Swiss resident."

(It is kind of neat seeing that Muslims in Europe can be charged -- I guess the guys weren't Islamists or Jihadists.)

So Armenians want this for France, America, et al. also? They have serious issues with the modern Republic of Turkey. We have enough problems. Turkey and Armenia are next door to each other. Start talking! Fat chance! We'll give up California to Mexicorruption before Turkey will give up eastern Turkey to Armenia --- wot? OK. Nevada.

20 posted on 01/05/2012 2:21:36 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

You wrote, “But genocide is not the word to use — I found that out real quick when I lived in Ankara, “

I beg to differ. The deliberate attempt to exterminate a race of people is genocide. Exactly what the Turks were guilty of.

How long did you live in Ankara ? My father’s Armenian family lived in Turkey for more than 2500 years. Those who survived lived to tell the tale .


23 posted on 01/05/2012 4:50:25 PM PST by baysider
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