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To: Nachum

While I have always maintained global warming is a hoax based on crapscience and do not want to be told what kind of light bulbs to use, I think this “Agenda 21” stuff is way over the top at least in rural America, and reeks of tinfoil hat paranoia. I am part of a group myself that has been accused by the local Tea Party of being some nefarious arm of the UN, when none of us had any idea what the hell any of this was about until we read up on it.

I am strongly libertarian and want smaller government, lower taxes, and less governmental intrusion. But that doesn’t mean that if I help my community work together more effectively we are all puppets of the United Nations! The danger of returning to some kind of McCarthyism is just as scary as whatever these people view as the alternative.

All I’m saying is “do your own research, get the facts” rather than just jumping on someone’s bandwagon.


14 posted on 01/05/2012 1:41:12 PM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob

“do your own research, get the facts”

Looks like that is exactly what you need to do BB.

Start by going to ICLEI.org

Stated goals on THEIR website are promoting implementation of Agenda 21, Koyoto agreement, and UN Convention on Biological Diversity. All of this was NEVER approved by Congress. Its being implemented via Ex. Orders starting with 12852.

Freedomadvocates.org has plenty of data to get you up to speed.

I am in a Florida county that is a ICLEI member. They took a $2.4 million DOE grant and are taking direction from ICLEI on implementing the UN anti-American programs at the local level. Also, read the ICLEI contract, it’s on their website, specifically Item 1.7 where is specifies adopting the pagan Earth Charter co-authored by former Soviet Dictator Mikhale Gorbachev.

This deserves to be taken very seriously.


17 posted on 01/05/2012 2:03:54 PM PST by Captain7seas (FIRE JANE LUBCHENCO FROM NOAA)
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To: bigbob; Nachum
The danger of returning to some kind of McCarthyism is just as scary as whatever these people view as the alternative.

McCarthy was right. The US was (is?) larded with Communists, at that time many were under the pay of the USSR. You seen the video Grinding America Down? It's an excellent documentary on the subject.

20 posted on 01/05/2012 2:08:41 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: bigbob
McCarthyism

if you follow history, you would know that McCarthy was right!!

28 posted on 01/05/2012 4:06:52 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: bigbob
"The danger of returning to some kind of McCarthyism is just as scary as whatever these people view as the alternative."

Except that 'McCarthyism was NOT a danger- HE WAS RIGHT!

McCarthyism was FALSELY condemned as a witch hunt for innocents, when in fact it was a real investigation of the guilty - stonewalled by those guilty, who then demonized McCarthy forever, for looking for thm.

51 posted on 01/06/2012 6:41:31 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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