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WSJ: Can Perry Come Back?
Wall Street Journal ^ | January 5, 2012 | Stephen Moore

Posted on 01/05/2012 1:16:43 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

National conservative leaders are wondering who, if anyone, can stop Mitt Romney from walking off with the Republican nomination after his narrow win in Iowa and his expected comfortable victory in New Hampshire next week. The name that keeps surfacing is Rick Perry, which says a lot about the desperation that the anti-Romney forces are feeling now.

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Perry insiders say that the plausible course forward for the candidate is to make this a one-on-one race with Mr. Romney so that the conservative vote doesn't split in two, three or four ways.

South Carolina has a history of deciding the eventual GOP primary winner. If Mr. Perry can take first or second place, he can live to fight another day and prepare for Super Tuesday, when voters in the bulk of Southern states go to the polls. Perry supporters also say that a comeback depends on his ability to make this a North versus South race. They say that three-quarters of Republican voters aren't sold on Mr. Romney. The problem for Mr. Perry, of course, is that even more voters aren't sold on him, either, in part because he has done such a lousy job of educating voters about his admirable record on jobs and growth in Texas.

Many conservative leaders that I talked to after the Iowa caucuses are rallying around the latest flash, Rick Santorum. But others have concluded that despite all of his debate mishaps and his poorly run campaign thus far, Mr. Perry may be the only Republican candidate capable of beating Mr. Romney. As one campaign aide told me: "We have to make a good second impression."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alreadyover4perry; conservatism; gopprimary; heartless; jobs; larazarick; no; ooooops; ooops; oops; perry2012; perry2020; perryastroturfing; singledigitsperry
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To: rintense

Thank you.


151 posted on 01/06/2012 3:41:21 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; DoughtyOne; rintense
Tag-team, anti-Perry talking point antics aren’t novel or convincing

My goodness, you actually have the gall to say that after all the tag-team Perry posts that you and your cohorts clearly are organizing behind the scenes?

Talk about projection.

152 posted on 01/06/2012 6:35:29 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cronos
>>Has Perry changed his position?<<

Not that I have heard and I probably would be suspect of statements doing so at this point given his history on the matter. The last statement I have heard was when he was talking about ground zero and stated that should be a state matter. The was weak on it’s face because Muslims in this country is a national security matter and needs to be addressed nationally not in states.

153 posted on 01/06/2012 6:45:33 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: dirtboy
I've been reading your posts on this thread. I also read one of your posts yesterday on a Santorum thread where it said he raised 1 million dollars in one day. I believe in the 3rd or 4th response you suggested that "Rick Perry supporters will soon be here to condemn Santorum."

Now you're on this thread telling Rick Perry supporters to get behind Santorum and bail away from Perry.

You also cited in your argument that Santorum was in single digits just a week ago and could be there again.

But we are COMMANDED by you to get behind Santorum. On a Rick Perry thread. And nobody had said jack squat about Santorum yesterday when you made that unflattering post about Perry supporters.

You want your cake and eat it too. If anything, support your man Santorum and leave us the hell alone. Stop telling us what to do.

154 posted on 01/06/2012 7:40:48 AM PST by mikhailovich
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Thanks CoA. I did it as a test. Unfortunately I knew it would fail. It would seem Perry supporters are to be hobbled.
If it were possible to post w/o constantly defending positions that the same misinformation peddlers use to counter effective dissemination of information it would be nice. However, I don’t see that happening.”

Well, then, maybe we should stop trying...or possibly have an-all purpose link with Perry’s positions on the issues which could be posted once in response, and then we could continue to chat. Any interested lurkers could see the information and make up their own minds. I’m not going to allow myself to be intimidated, or shut up, by yapping.


155 posted on 01/06/2012 7:42:05 AM PST by CatherineofAragon
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To: mikhailovich
Now you're on this thread telling Rick Perry supporters to get behind Santorum and bail away from Perry

Please point out on this thread where I have said that.

hint - you can't. I think that after South Carolina and Florida, the top anti-Romney should stay in and the other two should get out to avoid splitting the conservative vote. But that is just common sense and not tied to a specific candidate.

So do yourself a favor and get your facts straight before bashing another poster.

156 posted on 01/06/2012 7:48:59 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It would seem Perry supporters are to be hobbled.

That's a lie and you know it.

157 posted on 01/06/2012 8:01:35 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
You're an antagonizer. Pure and simple.

You insulted Perry supporters on a Santorum thread yesterday when nobody had said a thing. I was nice and supportive toward you and your candidate.

Today you're on a Perry thread doing the very thing you warned others against yesterday. You're also suggesting we rally behind one conservative (Santorum) which is also suggestive that we leave Perry.

Those facts are straight.

158 posted on 01/06/2012 9:06:58 AM PST by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich
Today you're on a Perry thread doing the very thing you warned others against yesterday. You're also suggesting we rally behind one conservative (Santorum) which is also suggestive that we leave Perry

Lying apparently comes easily to you. You are making a very specific claim. Back it up or back off, jack. Show me where I have specifically said TODAY that Perry supporters should rally behind Santorum. I said no such thing. I said that after South Carolina and Florida, whoever among Newt, Santorum or Perry is in the lead should remain and the other two should drop out. YOU are the one projecting what I am saying to Santorum. I have said on this thread that I have no idea who will emerge as the eventual front-runner.

And then you call ME an antagonizer? I'm not the one lying about what has been posted.

Oh, and regarding Perry supporters bashing Santorum, they had been doing it for a couple of days, following Perry's release of a negative ad against Santorum. So I had ample reason to say that, given the history. If you don't believe me, I will cheerfully provide links. Unlike you, I don't pull my claims out of my arse.

160 posted on 01/06/2012 9:14:45 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Rick Santorum raised more than $1 million in the day after the Iowa caucus and has brought in more cash via online donations in last week then he did in the previous six months combined.

As a result, Perry supporters on FR will redouble their efforts to tear Santorum down.

20 posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:33:24 AM by dirtboy --------------------------------------

Those are your words from yesterday, pal. Unprovoked I might add. You're guilty of your own hogwash in less than 24 hrs.

161 posted on 01/06/2012 9:17:48 AM PST by mikhailovich
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To: dirtboy
"Care to answer Jim's comment about being positive, CW?"

Rick Santorum raised more than $1 million in the day after the Iowa caucus and has brought in more cash via online donations in last week then he did in the previous six months combined.

As a result, Perry supporters on FR will redouble their efforts to tear Santorum down.

20 posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:33:24 AM by dirtboy

162 posted on 01/06/2012 9:22:27 AM PST by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich
As a result, Perry supporters on FR will redouble their efforts to tear Santorum down.

Gawd, you are DENSE. Probably on purpose because you can't back up your lie.

I am not claiming that I did not post that. I had very good reason to say that yesterday, as Perry supporters had been bashing Santorum on FR for the last couple of days. I will gladly document that with links.

Now, back up your other claim, pinhead. Show where TODAY I have said Perry should drop out in favor of Santorum. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

163 posted on 01/06/2012 9:23:05 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: mikhailovich

Did you get dropped on your head too much as a child, troll?


164 posted on 01/06/2012 9:24:11 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: mikhailovich
And this was posted later that morning by the lead Perry operative on FR.

Which proves my point.

165 posted on 01/06/2012 9:29:04 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
It takes very little research to demonstrate that you are a self-serving potty mouth. You're also a very weird and scary person, spending countless hours posting sometimes tens, if not hundreds of insults and snotty comments to people in a single day.

Here's but a brief example. I have nothing else to say to you. The evidence is pretty clear.

The trouble with my uncle, Rick Santorum [he believes in the right to zot Paulbots] Tuesday, January 03, 2012 2:14:25 PM · 9 of 60 dirtboy to keyd

You Paultards must really think FReepers are stupid to fall for a dumbass brain-dead juvenile screed like this.

Why Are Ron Paul's Followers So Touchy? Monday, January 02, 2012 2:46:14 PM · 32 of 187 dirtboy to mnehring

Paul followers are either deliberately ignorant or actually agree with him. Neither speaks well for them.

Get Ready to Hear All About Rick Santorum and Universal Health Services Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:35:04 PM · 68 of 72 dirtboy to txrangerette

You really are a cretin, aren’t you? I am suggesting to CW that she spend more time promoting Perry and less time bashing the other candidates. "Hardly an unreasonable request."

Newt Gingrich Says He'd Defy Supreme Court Rulings He Opposed [Obama Campaign Ad Material!] Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:45:48 PM · 83 of 160 dirtboy to Steelfish

You are an ass. And you can kiss mine.

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Basically in a matter of days you go from bashing Paul and Gingrich supporters to requesting we all stop bashing people. You come off like a total flake, son.

That is all.

166 posted on 01/06/2012 9:54:13 AM PST by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich
All that work to avoid the fact that you lied through your teeth and can't back it up.

Later, troll. I'm sure you can find a fly or two that needs its wings pulled off.

167 posted on 01/06/2012 9:56:33 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: mikhailovich
Basically in a matter of days you go from bashing Paul and Gingrich supporters

Are you so stupid that you think I am bashing Gingrich supporters? I AM a Gingrich supporter. You just can't read, apparently.

And tell me again how bashing Paul supporters on FR is such a bad thing. Paul is as bad a choice for the GOP as Romney.

168 posted on 01/06/2012 9:59:05 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: mikhailovich
You're also a very weird and scary person

This coming from a person who is lying about what I have posted on this thread. Now THAT is weird - anyone can read this thread and see that your claims cannot be supported.

169 posted on 01/06/2012 10:04:26 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I haven’t paid much attention to you but after going to your homepage I see that all you ask for is good voter ID. It’s a shame Perry is toast because he instituted picture voter ID in Texas this past year. I am guessing as president he would do the same thing.


170 posted on 01/06/2012 10:16:35 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Like I have been saying, Santorum, Newt, Perry - all three are viable anti-Romney conservative candidates, but they also have to present their own visions to win both the primary and the general. My issues with Perry have been less with his record and more with the fact that he hasn’t been able to conduct a functioning campaign - and whoever goes up against Obama won’t have much of a chance without a solid campaign organization.


171 posted on 01/06/2012 10:24:22 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Of the 3, Santorum, Perry and Newt, I have heard that Santorum has no functioning organization, Newt's is so-so and Perry's is excellent and well funded.
172 posted on 01/06/2012 12:48:29 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Given how Perry has performed, I don’t think a case can be made that his campaign is excellent, just well-funded.


173 posted on 01/06/2012 12:51:26 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
His performance in front of the cameras was HIS performance, not his campaign staffs. I don't think he would govern that way, he certainly hasn't in Texas. I would love to see what he would do as president, starting with picture ID’s for voting.
174 posted on 01/06/2012 1:04:42 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
His performance in front of the cameras was HIS performance, not his campaign staffs

I've read plenty about the snafus by his staff as well.

175 posted on 01/06/2012 1:06:26 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Really? LOL! I guess I don’t spend enough time reading.


176 posted on 01/06/2012 1:13:11 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Or perhaps it’s not something you care to read.


177 posted on 01/06/2012 1:21:34 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: DoughtyOne

Thanks D1. It’s all very simple; just support the most conservative candidate, one who is not pro-amnesty or pro-ILLEGAL alien. Santorum has his faults, they all do. But he is, at this point in time, a far better choice than all others.


178 posted on 01/06/2012 1:34:15 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: dirtboy

I’m waiting..........


179 posted on 01/06/2012 1:45:21 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Here’s a story from earlier today from Red State and Erick Erickson, he’s a Perry supporter who is tuned into the campaign:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/06/on-the-perry-campaign-shake-up/


180 posted on 01/06/2012 3:07:52 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Is the guy in question one of the staff members that he got from Newt?


181 posted on 01/06/2012 3:16:54 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

I am not familiar with the history of the specific staffers. But from what I have read, the campaign is in disarray. Some of it is Perry, but some of it has to be the staffers as well. Failing to get on the VA ballot is solely an issue with the staff. And once again, this wasn’t Politico, this is a Perry supporting prominent blogger.


182 posted on 01/06/2012 3:21:02 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Didn’t everyone except for Romney and Paul fail to get on the Virginia ballot? Wasn’t that Virginia’s fault?


183 posted on 01/06/2012 3:25:39 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

I’m sorry, but Perry had the money to pay for staff to get out and get a sufficient margin over the 10,000 required to ensure surviving challenges. His campaign had no excuses for not getting 15,000 signatures just to be safe.


184 posted on 01/06/2012 3:34:01 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

You are right about that but Perry has some really good conservative ideas, we should all be sorry if he doesn’t get to use them.


185 posted on 01/06/2012 3:41:57 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Well, quite frankly, he has to get serious about running. I don’t feel he has been to date, nor does he seem to understand the level of commitment and preparation it takes to campaign as a GOP presidential candidate.


186 posted on 01/06/2012 3:49:50 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
And this was posted later that morning by the lead Perry operative on FR.

Which proves my point.

Seriously, you are going to claim that actions taken *AFTER* your own are the cause of your actions that were taken before the thread you blame even existed?

Where did you learn debate? From HAMAS?

Hamas’ New Logic: Lack of Jews in Gaza Forces It into Violence

187 posted on 01/06/2012 8:33:41 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla
Ok, I'll post the links where the same Perrybot was bashing Santorum beforehand. Plenty of those as well. As well as others bashing Santorum.

You Perrybots are just mad because I made your modus operandi, which is transparent as can be.

188 posted on 01/07/2012 5:23:18 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:cincinatuswife/index?tab=articles


189 posted on 01/07/2012 5:24:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dirtboy
I am not familiar with the history of the specific staffers. But from what I have read, the campaign is in disarray. Some of it is Perry, but some of it has to be the staffers as well. Failing to get on the VA ballot is solely an issue with the staff. And once again, this wasn’t Politico, this is a Perry supporting prominent blogger.

Rick Perry: YouTube: You got a name?

190 posted on 01/07/2012 5:26:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: gogogodzilla
This is so funny. The other Perrybot ankle-biter mentioned the below thread in his ongoing fusillade against me (never mind that he failed to back up his initial allegation against me):

Get Ready to Hear All About Rick Santorum and Universal Health Services

And it was posted by? Cincy's Wife.

Even the sentence on mine that he cut-and-pasted into this thread alluded to that:

I am suggesting to CW that she spend more time promoting Perry and less time bashing the other candidates. "Hardly an unreasonable request."

And the article in question was a classic Red-State hatchet job against Santorum, most likely at the behest of the campaign.

So I had ample justification for believing that the Perrybots on FR were using this platform as part of an orchestrated attack against Santorum. Not only were they already doing it, they had also already done it against Cain and Newt. In other words, anyone who pulled ahead of Perry in the polling. For any Perrybot to pretend otherwise is the height of dishonesty.

191 posted on 01/07/2012 5:35:40 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: South40

Well so far he seems the same to me. Thanks South40, you tag-team guy you... ;^)


192 posted on 01/07/2012 5:40:18 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Uh, yeah, CW, I do. The blogger is Erick Erickson of Red State. I know you are familiar with him, you have used his hatchet-jobs on the other candidates, and I just linked to one of those instances here.

Man, this is just too funny. You are such counter-attack mode that you can't even be bothered to take 30 seconds to click on the link in question to see who I am talking about.

193 posted on 01/07/2012 5:41:00 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Here's a little pillow friend to keep you company back here in thread wilderness. Take a wee nap.


194 posted on 01/07/2012 5:47:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Want some cheese with that whine? I know from past experience that you are too chickensh** to admit when one of your stupid gambits backfires on you. So your response is always to try and change the subject. So predictable.


195 posted on 01/07/2012 5:50:12 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Yeah, CW, it's such a wilderness that you came in here yourself to counterattack.

You're funny when you lose it due to your own impotence.

196 posted on 01/07/2012 5:52:35 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

197 posted on 01/07/2012 5:54:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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