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WSJ: Can Perry Come Back?
Wall Street Journal ^ | January 5, 2012 | Stephen Moore

Posted on 01/05/2012 1:16:43 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

National conservative leaders are wondering who, if anyone, can stop Mitt Romney from walking off with the Republican nomination after his narrow win in Iowa and his expected comfortable victory in New Hampshire next week. The name that keeps surfacing is Rick Perry, which says a lot about the desperation that the anti-Romney forces are feeling now.

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Perry insiders say that the plausible course forward for the candidate is to make this a one-on-one race with Mr. Romney so that the conservative vote doesn't split in two, three or four ways.

South Carolina has a history of deciding the eventual GOP primary winner. If Mr. Perry can take first or second place, he can live to fight another day and prepare for Super Tuesday, when voters in the bulk of Southern states go to the polls. Perry supporters also say that a comeback depends on his ability to make this a North versus South race. They say that three-quarters of Republican voters aren't sold on Mr. Romney. The problem for Mr. Perry, of course, is that even more voters aren't sold on him, either, in part because he has done such a lousy job of educating voters about his admirable record on jobs and growth in Texas.

Many conservative leaders that I talked to after the Iowa caucuses are rallying around the latest flash, Rick Santorum. But others have concluded that despite all of his debate mishaps and his poorly run campaign thus far, Mr. Perry may be the only Republican candidate capable of beating Mr. Romney. As one campaign aide told me: "We have to make a good second impression."

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To: CainConservative
Kinda piling on there, aren’t ya? 15 yard penalty for you!

Just tired of people making medical excuses for Perry, when Perry lost a lot of people with his "heartless" comment, which was well before his "oops" moment. The heartless comment has nothing to do with any drugs he was taking, because he has supported that legislation for 10 years.

I take the man at his word on this matter, and I believe he feels those folks don't have a heart, because he has that 10 year track record of supporting it.

If people want to blame drugs or back pain for Perry's problems, then they are basically making the case that Perry shouldn't be running. I don't agree with that, while I may disagree with a lot of things he's done, I've seen him in person and I believe he is physically capable of running.
51 posted on 01/05/2012 2:22:00 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: South40

Dead armadillo bounce is more like it.

Lets address the elephant in the room, shall we? Outside the gaffes, mandates and illegal love, the real reason he has not gained support is simple:

People don’t want Bush 2.0 and that’s exactly how Perry will be portrayed by the MSM- and it will work.

The country still has Bush fatigue.

Perry never had a chance, and sadly, so many here were relying on a Palin endorsement that never (or will never) come.


52 posted on 01/05/2012 2:23:05 PM PST by rintense
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To: org.whodat

Perry has had how many comebacks now and to what end? He is still polling in single digits and had an embarrassing 5th place finish in Iowa. Buy a clue, Ricardo.


53 posted on 01/05/2012 2:24:09 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: McGavin999
Oh the whole FOX crew has been given the word. It’s Romney non-stop. That’s why I no longer watch FOX.

I no longer watch Fox News either, or Fox for that matter after they started promoting homosexuality to our children. Fox News pushes far too much celebrity sleaze as filth, and they are too far in the bag for Romney. Might as well give Romney's campaign manager a show.
54 posted on 01/05/2012 2:25:33 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr; South40

That must be the latest ‘blame’ talking point from the Perry camp. It has been repeated heavily in the past two days.


55 posted on 01/05/2012 2:26:02 PM PST by rintense
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To: CainConservative
I pray that changes RIGHT after SC and Florida results come in for Newt or Rick S.

They all live in the DC bubble. It won't change. We'll just have to ignore it and work at the grass roots level to overcome it and educate the masses. Fox is the worst one because they have such a big group of conservative voters who may listen to their Romney-fest and take it as gospel.

"Well, if Fox News said we should go with Romney, then it must be true!"

We have our work cut out for us.

56 posted on 01/05/2012 2:27:02 PM PST by naxetevitan
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To: South40

Slick Rick’s comeback: polling 0% in the latest NH poll. LOL!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-1581.html


57 posted on 01/05/2012 2:27:32 PM PST by PAConservative1
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To: PAConservative1; South40; Liz; miss marmelstein

Zero????? LOL!

Goose egg for Perry!


58 posted on 01/05/2012 2:30:44 PM PST by rintense
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To: DoughtyOne

I recall a while back posting a critique in a thread that was touting Perry’s 5th or 6th ‘comeback’ and he’s done nothing but go downhill since. Seriously, that was months ago. He has to be on comeback #10 by now. If the first 9 failed, what chance does #10 have?


59 posted on 01/05/2012 2:32:19 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: rintense
People don’t want Bush 2.0 and that’s exactly how Perry will be portrayed by the MSM- and it will work.

It will work because it will be so easy to do.

Bush 2.0

60 posted on 01/05/2012 2:35:27 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry????
C'mon folks, get with the program...


61 posted on 01/05/2012 2:36:30 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: South40

I’m sure you’ve heard the old adage about doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results. At some point this has to dawn on Perry supporters. The longer it takes... well... we can’t force them to acknowledge reality. My heart goes out to them.


62 posted on 01/05/2012 2:36:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: af_vet_rr

Say what, partner? McCain? I can’t stand McCain or anything he says lately. Period.


63 posted on 01/05/2012 2:39:22 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
because he has done such a lousy job of educating voters about his admirable record on jobs and growth in Texas.”

I will vote for Perry if he's still standing by the time New York votes, but sheesh. His record in Texas is all he talks about. I don't think he can do much more.

64 posted on 01/05/2012 2:43:58 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"I’m sure you’ve heard the old adage about doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results. At some point this has to dawn on Perry supporters. The longer it takes... well... we can’t force them to acknowledge reality. My heart goes out to them."

So does mine.

But hey, they'll ALL come around eventually when Perry clears his mind and endorses the anti-Willard conservative... NEWTORUM!!

65 posted on 01/05/2012 2:44:09 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: PAConservative1; rintense

ZERO in NH and single digits nationally means Americans, Republicans, conservatives and certainly Granite Staters are completely uninterested in a Perry presidency. His staying in the race is only helping Romney.


66 posted on 01/05/2012 2:45:16 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: South40
LOL, the only reason mccain won sc was because he was a pow, that will not work for anyone else.
67 posted on 01/05/2012 2:45:31 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: rintense
People don’t want Bush 2.0 and that’s exactly how Perry will be portrayed by the MSM- and it will work.

The country still has Bush fatigue.

Please God I can't go through another cycle of "dumb cowboy" jokes. Rick's worst problem is being from TX 4 years after Bush left the White House. He should have waited 4 or 8 years.

68 posted on 01/05/2012 2:49:06 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: rintense

“Perry 0%”

I call shenanigans on that poll.

There has to be at least one human being in NH for Perry.

Doesn’t there?


69 posted on 01/05/2012 2:49:25 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: naxetevitan
“He likely was still on drugs from his back surgery and its not fair, he is smarter than that. However I think that's just the facts of the situation. He can not un-ring that bell.
And that is that? All his record? The Texas record? Jobs? His good debates? His conservative foundation and 10th Amendment fights he's taken on with D.C. (and won)...all that is out the door? None of the other candidates had one poor performance? This is the way we are now? This is American intelligence? “

I am saying 3 things, first, starting with Nixon who won the radio debate with Kennedy but lost the TV debate because he had a touch of the flu and a 4pm razor shadow. TV and marketing are unfortunately the way most candidates make the sale.
Second yes he was interviewed and said he should have postponed his back surgery.
I ruptured a disk on my back and also was on Vicodin for 3 months so I know that's why his debate performance was so bad at first. And lastly no it is not an excuse for the dumb things he has done as Gov like executive orders for girl vaccines and other dumb ideas. Still I like the guy and think he would be a good president, and I did support more conservative candidates in the primary against him.

70 posted on 01/05/2012 2:50:45 PM PST by pwatson
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To: Riodacat

Duh, perry staying in at this point helps that man, willard, splitting the vote.


71 posted on 01/05/2012 2:53:20 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: CainConservative
How about, Newtonium235?  To be honest, I see him more like Newtonium2, but your Newtorum was nice.  Good one.

72 posted on 01/05/2012 2:55:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: CainConservative

In a state where Pail,Romney and Huntsman poll 2/3 , why would you expect any votes for a very conservative Southern governor?


73 posted on 01/05/2012 2:56:02 PM PST by magritte
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

YES, he can!

GO PERRY GO!


74 posted on 01/05/2012 2:58:56 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: af_vet_rr

What an excellent idea. I think we should all write to them and suggest that very thing. I have been thinking bout writing the FEC and having them monitor it. They’re giving him free campaign advertising.


75 posted on 01/05/2012 3:01:06 PM PST by McGavin999 ("If you'll have my back when I go to Washington, I'll have yours" Rick Perry 2012)
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To: org.whodat

Really? How? By taking delegates away from the other conservatives?

So?

Or do you not realize that after a candidate drops out, they can instruct their delegates to vote for the person they endorse?

So if Romney gets 25% of the delegates nationwide, he’d have to find a way to scrounge 25% more, should no one hit the magic 50.0001%.

And vice-versa. Between Perry, Newt, and Santorum, they can hash out who’d get their delegates votes... overwhelming the 25% for Romney.

I’d say that, at least, one of the three will have to drop out after Super Tuesday... so their delegates would be up for grabs.


So, what’s that about ‘splitting the vote’?


76 posted on 01/05/2012 3:02:23 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: magritte

Yep!

After demolishing the phony Willard by about 10 points in Iowa (thanks to the conservatives/evangelicals of IA)...

10 1/2 year Southern Conservative/Evangelical Huck went on over to athiestic New Hampshire (less churches per capita than any other state) AND came in a strong third — leading up to SC where Huck drew 30%+ of the vote with the lion’s share AMONG CONSERVATIVES and CHRISTIANS. But in 3rd place but waaaaaaaaaaay back of Huck, Sleepy Freddy Thompson took enough (15% max) to allow his friend, Mushy Moderate McCain to squeak out a win over the conservative Huck, 33%-30%. I was there campaigning my butt off even on snowy election day.

Will Romney be this year’s McCain in South Carolina? Not if evangelical conservatives unite.


77 posted on 01/05/2012 3:11:10 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: DoughtyOne

I believe at least one is being paid and some just love their governor and can’t understand why America doesn’t love him also. Of course there are some who love ILLEGALs. You can tell who those are by their eagerness to attack anyone who doesn’t support Perry calling us ‘ILLEGAL haters’ (we were called ‘Mexican haters’ until it was pointed out that many ILLEGALs were not Mexican). I’m not sure why any FReeper wouldn’t be anti-ILLEGAL alien unless of course they really aren’t conservative and/or they want want their Tio Juan to become legal. Who knows. One thing is certain, though; holding out hope for a candidate who has been in perpetual free fall in the polls, placed 5th in Iowa and is polling ZERO in NH is a lost cause.


78 posted on 01/05/2012 3:11:33 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: dirtboy

Now you are being childish. Threatening to tell the teacher or what?

I hardly think Jim Robinson is interested in banning honest discussion about the virtues of one candidate over another.


79 posted on 01/05/2012 3:16:24 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: gogogodzilla

Splitting the CONSERVATIVE EVANGELICAL vote in SC and even FL is stupid.

And deep down Perry knows it. As does Willard who he will be helping WIN by staying in.

Pal, if Willard wins SC & FL, we’re dead in November. Obama wins. End of story.


80 posted on 01/05/2012 3:17:23 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: NeilGus

Why do you say that, Neil?

I mean everyone else has been up and down with no clear favorite, why not Rick Perry?


81 posted on 01/05/2012 3:20:29 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I would love Perry to have a comeback. By the time we vote here in Colorado, it will be more clear whether that’s going to happen. In the meantime, I’m planning to vote Santorum. Though I think Perry’s chances are much better in a general election, it remains to be seen if he can win the nomination.


82 posted on 01/05/2012 3:20:36 PM PST by COgamer
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To: pwatson

I live in Dallas also. I like Perry. I resent (tho you didn’t do it) people trying to paint him as a spoiler.

Is Santorum a spoiler? Is Newt? Rick Perry has better credentials than either of them and he has money and loyal supporters.

He certainly has a right to run. I’m glad he stayed in. It would be a pretty dull race without him.

The Dallas Morning News had some really snarky articles about him today, one of them parroting the Politico thing about rumors from “unnamed” persons within his campaign.

The Dallas Morning News hates Perry. It’s a liberal rag.


83 posted on 01/05/2012 3:25:47 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: CainConservative

I shouldn’t even respond to you, but can’t you even see the lack of logic in your post.

Why don’t Rick S. and Newt drop out now and support a better candidate?


84 posted on 01/05/2012 3:28:53 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: CainConservative
Say what, partner? McCain? I can’t stand McCain or anything he says lately. Period.

McCain is saying that we all need to get behind one candidate, which is foolish given that there's only been one primary.

It's not as foolish as it was say earlier last year when supporters of one candidate said everybody needed to get behind their candidate, and then when that candidate shot themselves in the foot, supporters of another candidate said their candidate was the one everybody had to get behind.
85 posted on 01/05/2012 3:30:57 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: McGavin999
What an excellent idea. I think we should all write to them and suggest that very thing. I have been thinking bout writing the FEC and having them monitor it. They’re giving him free campaign advertising.

If it was Karl Rove, it would be one thing. But they seem to have a parade of folks trying to shove Romney down our throats. I really do believe that somebody up high has decided Romney is their man.
86 posted on 01/05/2012 3:32:15 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: BfloGuy

Well, whose record should Rick Perry talk about? He doesn’t have a record in New York.

He has an outstanding record in Texas and has proved to be a leader and a consistent conservative.

Sorry to be NEGATIVE about other candidates, but Rick Perry is the only candidate with a record to run on.

He hasn’t just talked about conservative values. He’s done them in Texas.


87 posted on 01/05/2012 3:36:50 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: pwatson; Cincinatus' Wife

I think you may have meant that reply for CW instead of me, since it was her quote you used.


88 posted on 01/05/2012 3:39:09 PM PST by naxetevitan
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To: BfloGuy

He has a good record in Texas from what I understand. I would have no trouble voting for him if he was the Republican nominee. However, I prefer Newt until he wins or drops out. I think Newt still has a chance.


89 posted on 01/05/2012 3:44:32 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; jonrick46; deepbluesea; TexMom7; potlatch; SunkenCiv; wolfcreek; BuckeyeTexan; ...
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90 posted on 01/05/2012 3:44:47 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: COgamer

People here are so fickle and shallow it scares me.

We’ve had zero primaries. We had one caucus - the results of which almost never name the eventual candidate. I understand Rick S. spent a year having Sunday dinner with everyone in Iowa.

One Santorum supporter admitted to me that his support was more based on not liking anyone else than it was on liking Santorum

The support for various candidates here on Free Republic has been schizophrenic. And wild.

First it was Palin (guilty here on that). She didn’t run. In looking for comfort people here glommed onto an unlikely and eventually futile semi-worship of Mr. Cain.

He was forced to drop out. Immediately, the Cain people rushed to Newt Gingrich, a man who was reviled by conservatives as little as a year ago. I like Newt and he was fun in the debates, but he lost it over negative advertising and when he finally responded, he acted like a madman.

Now, after one rather inconsequential victory in a caucus, the lemmings have landed on Santorum, who wasn’t even a blip on the radar a week ago.

And suddenly if we want someone besides those two flawed and vulnerable candidates (Newt and Santorum) we’re taking votes away from worthy conservatives and handing them to Mitt?

Please give me a break. Perry is a better candidate and would have a much better chance against Obama.


91 posted on 01/05/2012 3:50:26 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree that Perry’s military record will score a lot of points with voters in the south. Wouldn’t hurt for him to introduce his cotton farmer mom and dad to the national audience either. Perry has so much going for him, he just needs to get it out there — and he will.


92 posted on 01/05/2012 3:51:25 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sorry for taking so long to ping this, I was carried away on another project for Rick Perry.


93 posted on 01/05/2012 3:52:34 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: CainConservative

figuring out Herman Cain wasn’t “rocket science” either, but a lot of folks fell for it.


94 posted on 01/05/2012 3:53:26 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: shield

Sorry doesn’t cut it, shield! While you were off somewhere gadding about the naysayers and the lamebrains permeated this thread with no one to refute their idiocy!

Just kidding. You do gret work.


95 posted on 01/05/2012 3:57:21 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: ez

The “dumb cowboy joke” got G.W. Bush 8 years in the White House, so I won’t mind more of the same.


96 posted on 01/05/2012 3:59:17 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: varina davis

Sad but true. There are people in the country and on this forum who hate Texas.

I can understand hating, say, Califoria or maybe Illinois, but Texas??


97 posted on 01/05/2012 4:01:16 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks shield.


98 posted on 01/05/2012 4:10:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: af_vet_rr
It's WAY more then just Karl Rove. It starts with Fox and Friends in the morning and goes on all day, through all their supposedly serious newscasters, and then back into the opinion shows at night. It is all day, every day. I turned it off months ago and I check back every once in awhile and it's the same thing day in and day out.

I'm sure it's Rupert (open borders) Murdock who has pushed this. I've lost all respect for the man.

99 posted on 01/05/2012 4:17:43 PM PST by McGavin999 ("If you'll have my back when I go to Washington, I'll have yours" Rick Perry 2012)
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To: pwatson

Those initial debates did not help him. However, not everyone watches them as closely as those here. He can still do it.


100 posted on 01/05/2012 4:18:03 PM PST by World'sGoneInsane (We Can Take OUR Country Back--Perry 2012)
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