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White House proposes 0.5 percent pay increase for federal workers
WaPo ^ | 1/6/12 | Ed O'Keefe

Posted on 01/06/2012 9:08:04 AM PST by Nachum

The White House will propose a 0.5 percent pay increase for civilian federal employees as part of its 2013 budget proposal, according to two senior administration officials familiar with the plans.

The modest across-the-board pay jump would be the first increase for federal workers since before a two-year freeze began in late 2010. Raises for within-grade step increases and promotions have continued during the freeze.

The proposal, which requires congressional approval, differs from Republican plans supported by lawmakers and presidential candidates that would freeze basic pay rates for one more year. Some of those plans also call for denying within-grade raises. In recent weeks, GOP lawmakers have called for extending the pay freeze as a way to pay for a payroll tax extension.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: federal; federalemployees; federalpay; federalworkers; increase; pay; workers
I have a counter proposal: A 25% pay decrease, a termination of all public monies contributed to all federal pensions, a hiring freeze, the termination of the Dept. of Education and the Dept. of Energy.
1 posted on 01/06/2012 9:08:14 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

It’s a very small increase, after two years of a pay freeze. I think this raise is warranted, particularly for the many federal employees who live in the Washington DC area, which is a very expensive place.


2 posted on 01/06/2012 9:09:44 AM PST by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: Nachum

Why not a COLA increase for unemployment?

They do pay your taxes.


3 posted on 01/06/2012 9:10:40 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Nachum

I agree! Obama is obviously trying to buy votes especially in VIRGINIA WHERE MANY OF THESE WORKERS LIVE!


4 posted on 01/06/2012 9:11:28 AM PST by juliej
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To: Nachum

This means the vast army of civilian DOD workers (800,000ish) will get a pay increase while the military is being gutted


5 posted on 01/06/2012 9:13:15 AM PST by chemical_boy
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To: Nachum
Pandering to Federal workers for votes.

.5% will be gobbled up by the increased medical costs due to benefit decreases and then some.

No thanks.

6 posted on 01/06/2012 9:14:00 AM PST by Wizdum (Wisdom is what you gain when things go wrong.)
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To: Poundstone

BS. I work for EPA (check my previous posts), and we are overpaid by at least 20% and underworked in the extreme. At least half of all fed workers need to be fired, and the remaining 50% need a 20% pay decrease.


7 posted on 01/06/2012 9:14:05 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Poundstone; Nachum

Mixed feelings. Folks like judges and high-tech engineers are very UNDERpaid if they work in federal service (and the last few years of pay freezes is driving more good ones OUT, with the spaces to be filled by marginal talents). But countless cubicle-fillers in the Department of MakeWork? Overpaid, overpaid.


8 posted on 01/06/2012 9:14:11 AM PST by pogo101
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9 posted on 01/06/2012 9:14:31 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Government workers already make, on average, 30% more than the private sector worker. Yes, Washington is expensive so is San Francisco, New York, etc.


10 posted on 01/06/2012 9:15:39 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Nachum

Libtards like increasing government spending even if it is for parasites like government bureaucrats that are paid to decrease the freedom of private producers.


11 posted on 01/06/2012 9:17:57 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Poundstone
" I think this raise is warranted"

The MONEY to implement ANY raises should be refused by Republicans, UNLESS all the Czars and their massive Staffs are eliminated, to pay for it.

The hiring of 10's of thousands of un-necessary "public" employees (such as ALL those for Obamacare beuaracracy) should be de-funded, and the savings to be used to reduce the Deficit.

Second, elimination of Unions from ALL Federal employment is a MUST, along with elimination of the DOE, Department of Indoctrination (Education), and all other non-productive/job destroying Regulatory Agencies.

Third, Executive Orders that cost ANY money whatsoever, shall be approved by Congress, who are the ONLY ones who can approve expenditures, according to the U.S. Constitution.

12 posted on 01/06/2012 9:18:16 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: Nachum

Like yours much better!


13 posted on 01/06/2012 9:37:12 AM PST by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: Nachum

Republican politicians must not have ever bought a car. Here’s a Republican politician negotiating a new car deal.

“What’s the price on this one?”
“Well, Senator, it’s $30,000.”
“Would you take $50,000? If not, I can give you $70,000.”

Here’s what the Republican response should be.
“You can have 10% of the salary of every civilian federal employee that is laid-off to use for a raise for the rest.”


14 posted on 01/06/2012 9:37:52 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Nachum

Cut pay and all benefits by 10%.

If there are vacancies for which there are no qualified applications. For those positions, raise pay by 5%.

Repeat by lowering pay an additional 10%, until the true market pay for each position is found.


15 posted on 01/06/2012 9:38:03 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Nachum
Raises for within-grade step increases and promotions have continued during the freeze

There you go. If my local school system is any guide, these "step increases" are actually a guaranteed raise of 2-3% per year regardless of any other raises.

16 posted on 01/06/2012 9:39:06 AM PST by Riflema
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To: Poundstone

I think this raise is warranted, particularly for the many federal employees who live in the Washington DC area, which is a very expensive place.


Ever consider that DC is expensive BECAUSE federal workers are overpaid (and all the other floor of tax dollars going to government contractors lobbyists, etc.)?


17 posted on 01/06/2012 9:40:05 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Poundstone
I think this raise is warranted, particularly for the many federal employees who live in the Washington DC area

Because they are all so competent?

18 posted on 01/06/2012 9:40:08 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Poundstone

Cut their pay by 50% and maybe they will quit!

If they don’t quit fire 75% of them!


19 posted on 01/06/2012 9:54:31 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Poundstone
what utter nonsense. It's common knowledge most federal employees are over paid and under worked.
20 posted on 01/06/2012 10:03:42 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Doctor 2Brains
I have a hard tim believing that. For example:

A GS-5 makes 30K in DC
A GS-7 makes 37K in DC
A GS-9 makes 42K in DC

That is barely national average and those are the majority of the workers and the ones that actually do the work. Now if you want to get rid of the SCS’ now that would be a great start.

21 posted on 01/06/2012 10:06:37 AM PST by napscoordinator (President Santorum is our future! A miracle is happening before our eyes!)
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To: Huskrrrr

Government workers already make, on average, 30% more than the private sector worker. Yes, Washington is expensive so is San Francisco, New York, etc.

Mainly because the private sector includes all the McDonald’s workers which the federal government does not have any. However, the federal government’s average worker gets paid around 40K. It is not a get rich type of program. It is easy to manipulate numbers and facts. We complain that Obama manipulates the jobless numbers but cannot believe that the federal government numbers might not be manipulated. You can’t have it both ways. Does the federal government need trimmed? Yes, but to say that they make too much money is absurd.


22 posted on 01/06/2012 10:10:14 AM PST by napscoordinator (President Santorum is our future! A miracle is happening before our eyes!)
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To: napscoordinator

You have a hard time believing what, exactly?


23 posted on 01/06/2012 10:27:54 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: napscoordinator

Many government jobs, eg interns, are also low paying. Compare the benefits and pension plans of government workers to those of the private sector as well.


24 posted on 01/06/2012 10:30:49 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Doctor 2Brains

I only have a hard time believing that government workers are rich. The ones I have dealt with are not. I have ONLY worked with DOD workers. They seem like hard workers to me. I mean they work with the military folks and certainly aren’t running out the door at knock off time. They often begin meetings at 4 when a crises is going on.


25 posted on 01/06/2012 10:32:26 AM PST by napscoordinator (President Santorum is our future! A miracle is happening before our eyes!)
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To: napscoordinator

What US a GS-5, etc.? How much do they contribute to their pensions and health insurance? How many paid vacation and holidays do they get each year? It would not surprise me if it is TWICE the # of days of the private sector.


26 posted on 01/06/2012 10:32:37 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: NEMDF

US = is


27 posted on 01/06/2012 10:35:22 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: NEMDF

What US a GS-5, etc.? How much do they contribute to their pensions and health insurance? How many paid vacation and holidays do they get each year? It would not surprise me if it is TWICE the # of days of the private sector.

The get 4 hours of vacation time a time period so 1 day a month so they get 12 days a year. They do pay for their health care with a monthly charge. They contribute to a TSP (Thrift Saving Plan) which is their retirement since 1987. The reason that people think that Government Employees get so much money is because the Baby Boomers are retiring with nice retirement but since 1987 those nice retirements are no more.


28 posted on 01/06/2012 10:35:48 AM PST by napscoordinator (President Santorum is our future! A miracle is happening before our eyes!)
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To: napscoordinator

I don’t know if they are rich, never said they were, but they are VASTLY overpaid for what they do. My first 2 years and 8 months with the g. were with Dept of Navy here in DC. I was a GS3, I believe, and I was overpaid for what I was doing, and I never worked a second of overtime.

You seem to be fixated on the point that a lot of g. defenders are: Yes, I am sure that out of 1 or 2 million employees, there are at least a few who a. work hard, b. could make more in the priv. sector, and c. (the big one) actually do work that is consitutional in nature and valuable. How many? 3? 300? It ain’t a lot.


29 posted on 01/06/2012 10:38:50 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Thank you for supporting your country. That was great. It was a good start but as a GS-3, you were entry level and probably did was was directed to you. The guy in the mail room at a big company does do more than what is asked either.


30 posted on 01/06/2012 10:44:36 AM PST by napscoordinator (President Santorum is our future! A miracle is happening before our eyes!)
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To: Poundstone

Bwaaaaahaaahahhaaaaaa! You have got to be effing kidding me!


31 posted on 01/06/2012 10:45:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: napscoordinator

Why would you get rid of the Senior Executive Service? (I think that is what you meant by SCS)


32 posted on 01/06/2012 10:48:10 AM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: napscoordinator

The guy in the mail room would work more hours for less work, would not have promotions virtually guaranteed, and could actually be fired. Look, if you want to say g. employees are decent people, fine, but they are overpaid and underworked (not their fault) and they “work” at undermining and destroying the nation and the constitution every day (excepting SOME people in DOD, etc.), also not really their fault. The SYSTEM is a nightmare, even if the people are not.


33 posted on 01/06/2012 10:50:40 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

You have valid points. I believe an overhaul will be done but I just hope that those in already are not overly screwed. I guess I am moderate on Government workers due to working 24 years with the DOD folks. But I am not all lost because I agree with getting rid of the DEPT of Defense, Energy, EPA, IRS, and others including that dreadful Homeland Security.


34 posted on 01/06/2012 10:59:59 AM PST by napscoordinator (President Santorum is our future! A miracle is happening before our eyes!)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Yes. SES. lol. They are the folks that are the highest paid and bring the average of the government worker so high. They are the figurehead and basically just go to Congress to try to get more money for their respective Department. I have only worked with a few but that was my experience. Most are retired Admirals and Generals who don’t need to be paid that much.


35 posted on 01/06/2012 11:02:41 AM PST by napscoordinator (President Santorum is our future! A miracle is happening before our eyes!)
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To: napscoordinator

I do not know how many million federal employees we have, but there are less than 1000 flag officers (O-7 to O-10) and about 7000 SES folks. The salaries of these senior managers mathematically cannot skew the average federal salary much at all.


36 posted on 01/06/2012 11:23:17 AM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: Nachum

FACT

It’s the government higher ups that are making the big, unrealistic money and benefits. The common folk blue collar fed workers are actually paid less than comparable private sector workers.


37 posted on 01/06/2012 1:52:47 PM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Huskrrrr
Many government jobs, eg interns, are also low paying.

But they get free cigars. ;)

38 posted on 01/06/2012 1:57:26 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

But they get free cigars. ;)

True!


39 posted on 01/06/2012 3:26:00 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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