Skip to comments.Documents Suggest Bush Administration Used 'Fast And Furious' Tactics
Posted on 01/06/2012 11:01:26 AM PST by neverdem
The Justice Department sent nearly 500 pages of documents to Republican lawmakers Thursday that suggest the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives may have used questionable tactics and lost track of American-made weapons in a gun trafficking investigation on the Mexican border as early as 2006.
The documents sent to House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) could add a new dimension to a political controversy that's raged on Capitol Hill for a year. Issa and other Republican lawmakers have accused the Obama administration of acting recklessly by losing track of almost 2,000 guns on the Southwest border in a botched ATF operation called Fast and Furious. Two of those weapons were recovered near the body of slain U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010.
The newly released email messages and briefing papers suggest there may be similarities between the Obama operation "Fast and Furious" and an earlier effort during the Bush administration to target the flow of guns into Mexico. The papers include several communications between ATF supervisors and Justice Department prosecutors in Arizona who were trying to build a case against "a very powerful, aggressive and violent" Mexican drug cartel in an earlier operation dubbed "Wide Receiver."
A senior Obama administration Justice Department official who briefed reporters on the documents said the papers show law enforcement officers in the Bush years could have filed criminal conspiracy and false statements charges against lower level figures in the gun trafficking operation, but they decided to watch and wait until they could move higher up the chain of command.
"We want the... manufacturing and distribution pieces also we want it all," an ATF official wrote in March 2006.
The case ultimately languished in the U.S. Attorney's office in Arizona until the Obama administration sent help from Washington D.C. and indictments were handed down in May and October 2010. Six people have been convicted in connection with Wide Receiver, the senior Justice Department official said.
The new disclosures could be featured in a Feb. 2 hearing where Attorney General Eric Holder will square off against Issa over the ATF failures. The last time the two men met on Capitol Hill, fireworks erupted, when Issa likened Holder to the Nixon era Attorney General John Mitchell and Holder reached back to the era of Joseph McCarthy and asked Issa whether he "had any shame."
NPR got nailed for its spin of Wide Receiver in the comment section.
Right....of course it was Bush that started it.
Hmmmm....didn’t the Democrats take control in 2006? Funny how this stuff always spins back to Bush’s fault...especially during the time the Dems controlled things.
This is half a click away from using the excuse that it was all Bush’s fault.
I don’t see how this has any resemblance to what Obama was doing. I see the word “could” used in the article. Looks like NPR is putting up a smoke screen to try and cover for Obama.
Even if this is true, “they did it too” is NOT a valid defense for the actions of this administration.
Weasel words. Good grief!
this is not acceptable no matter who started it, opr who could have and should have terminated it. people are being killed, and this is wrong whether it is a dem or a rep.
Oliver type writer.
HERESY! Nationalized People’s Radio would never do that for Dear Leader.
The Obama administration was trying to build a case against American gun merchants. Difference #1.
the papers show law enforcement officers in the Bush years could have filed criminal conspiracy and false statements charges against lower level figures in the gun trafficking operation, but they decided to watch and wait until they could move higher up the chain of command.
The Obama administration didn't watch at all. They didn't care where the guns ended up, apparently. Difference #2.
This writer may have some profession or other, but she sure ain't a journalist.
1. When all else fails. Blame Bush.
Every BAD thing Bush II did, Obama repeated IN SPADES.
BOTH are wrong and one of the reasons this doofus is sitting in the Oval is his predecessor. The other reason just endorsed Romney (John McPain).
Well then, that mikes it all OK, huh?
No kidding...I guess this makes it okay not to pay my taxes because Obama's cabinet didn't pay their's.
WRONG! For a liberal this is the most valid defense in existence.
I have noticed an absolutely frantic and widespread ‘Bush did it’ effort on the part of the lefty media and their unthinking, unblinking minions since the New Year arrived.
They must realize that selling Obama is a fool’s errand so they’re going back to 2007 and beyond.
1. “Bush did it too” is not an excuse in any court.
2. Thanks Dubya!
You might be on to something, there...
“Even if this is true, they did it too is NOT a valid defense for the actions of this administration.”
Right, but it is the only defense they have - valid or not. Of course when we try to apply their standards to our actions in the future (vis-a-vis recess appointments or anything for that matter), the gnashing of teeth will be able to be heard from outer space. I think Glen Beck played the sound of it on his show about a year or so ago.
Let’s face it... if we are unwilling to play by their rules we will always get beat by them (moral equivalence being ingrained in the public mindset and all).
Johnny: "But Susie stole cookies."
Without tracking devices in the guns, how can Holder even claim that this was a TRACKING program?
And without informing Mexico of the project, how can Holder deny that this is an act of war? Obama just signed authorization for him to use war powers on anybody who materially supports our terrorist enemies - and yet Holder and his cronies are arming the drug cartels waging war against the Mexican government.
But officer, I think the guy in front of me was speeding too.
LOL. This scandal is about to blow up and destroy Holder so the Libs and NPR are in a panic to give him any cover they can. Fast and Furious “Tactics”. What the Hell does that mean? That could be anything.
THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WIDE RECEIVER AND FAST AND FURIOUS
Project Gunrunner started in 2005 under Dubya and was with the full knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government. It resulted in 1,400 arrests and no deaths.
Fast and Furious started in October 2009, eight months into the Obama Administration -- without the knowledge of the Mexican government and over the objections to LEOs on the ground -- and this resulted in 1,800 weapons, most of which were semi-auto rifles, safely in the hands of Mexican drug dealers, and who knows how many dead.
There is a difference.
They can't sit on it any longer...they're trying to spray a lot of air-freshener in the room before the public smells the fart.
Nothing but bullsh!t.
npr doing what npr does best...ping.
Apples and oranges. One was a law enforcement effort to catch criminals. One was a huge scam to attack the 2nd Amendment, and it has caused the deaths of many innocent people.
The exact point I came here to make...Congress became democratic in 2006...
Except Susie didn’t steal anything.
The only logical conclusion after reading this is that NPR is functioning as a pro-Obama election website, printing propaganda for their master.
No rational person could make the confusion that is in this report.
Intentional or not - their bias is now past reality phase and into treason/sedition phase.
The only time the MSM reports on FnF is when there is some imagined link to W’s administration. Otherwise, the rule is hear no evil, see no evil, do no evil. I hate these wicked people and their agenda with a passion.
Oh, and Johnny is a liar.
Fast and Furious Is Not a “Failed” Operation
Not if Democrats get their gun control laws after all.
by John Hayward
November 28, 2011
Rep. Maloney Lies about Fast and Furious
“that suggest the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives may have used questionable tactics “
“suggest there may be similarities between the Obama operation “Fast and Furious” and an earlier effort during the Bush administration to target the flow of guns into Mexico. “
“show law enforcement officers in the Bush years could have filed criminal conspiracy and false statements charges “
and if my uncle had tits he’d be my aunt....
here’s hoping Issa takes this speculative BS and tells Holder and the criminal liberal media to shove it...
Neosocialist Propaganda Radio defending the Obyssmal administration again? House members: Defund NPR now.
There’s one basic difference: Bush was building a legitimate case against violent drug smugglers. Obama was building a case against gun dealers and the Second Amendment.
It’s not nice appointing a gangster to head the Department of Justice. Yes, there are precedents: Bobby Kennedy and Janet Reno. But none of them is in a class with Holder’s blatant thuggery.
And let’s never forget that Hillary was neck deep in this plot, too.
In Wide Receiver, the ATF FOLLOWED the guns to the border, NOTIFIED the Mexican gov’t the bad guys were crossing, and DISCONTINUED the operation when they figured out that the bad guys were disabling the RFID tracking devices the agents planted on the guns.
In F&F, the ATF field agents were ordered NOT to follow the straw buyers, NO tracking devices were planted on the guns, the Mexican gov’t was NOT notified that the program even EXISTED, and the whole thing was only stopped when Agent Terry was murdered.
Not quite. This “proves” (in liberal land)that Bush is guilty and Obama is innocent. Furthermore any accusations of wrongdoing by Obama and Holder are “racist”.
Shep what’s-his-name did a short piece on this on Fox Report last night. I missed the beginning & looked for a repeat of his show (it doesn’t repeat)-— and no video that I can find.
At the time, I thought WTH??? It was short and insinuating. BUSH DID IT TOO, and DOJ concerned We are going to see this kind of PR for an entire month leading up to the hearing.
LOL! It might possibly suggest that there could be a perceived similarity!
A huge difference.
The administration must have been talking to their buddies at NPR.
things were a little different for bushies little exersise:
1) the mexican government was fully informed and was an active participant in bushies thingie.
2) all weapons allowed across the border had trackers installed in them, and they were actively tracked.
3) when 1 weapon was lost, the whole program was immediately shut down.
Now, lets compare to fubo’s little operation;
1) mexico did not know we were allowing weapons across the border ( violation of treaties, and since these weapons were going to cartels that used them against the mexican government, it is a bona fide act of war )
2) NONE of the weapons had trackers on them, and no effort was made to track them, or to arrest perps.
3)This program was shut down only after 200 dead mexican civilians and 2 federal agents could be directly linked to the weapons.
yeah, I guess they were exactly the same (sarcam on)
Say that NPR is right... which I know they aren’t, it makes matters worse for the current Administration. It also bolsters the need to remove Government control of firearms as a punitive measure. Our Government has shown beyond any doubt that they cannot be trusted in regards to gun control and that they MUST relinquish such control.
If both sides of the isle are dipping into this illegal activity, then we need to demand that the Government no longer have anything to do in any way shape or form with private sales and ownership of firearms. END OF STORY.
The NPR is not right
All government is corrupt and out of control.(THIS IS WHY I back Perry as he is the only one saying part time senate and would truly shake things up)But in the meantime Obama and Holder are not getting away with murder,corruption,obstruction.