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Santorum: Trim Social Security now even if painful
Associated Press ^ | Jan 6, 2012 6:35 PM (ET) | CHARLES BABINGTON

Posted on 01/06/2012 6:38:10 PM PST by DJ MacWoW

KEENE, N.H. (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum called Friday for immediate cuts to Social Security benefits, risking the wrath of older voters and countless others who balk at changes to the entitlement program.

"We can't wait 10 years," even though "everybody wants to," Santorum told a crowd while campaigning in New Hampshire and looking to set himself apart from his Republican rivals four days before the New Hampshire primary.

Most of his opponents have advocated phasing in a reduction and say immediate cuts would be too big a shock to current and soon-to-be retirees.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: greed; planners; police; santorum; socialism; socialsecurity; teachers
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To: DJ MacWoW
This was a stupid thing to pick

Especially when all knowledgable analysts agree that Medicare, not Social Security, is the deal breaker in the 21st century. Santorum reveals himself to be not only politically incompetent but fiscally ignorant as well. Bad sign. Very bad sign. Color this rookie gone by Groundhog Day.

151 posted on 01/06/2012 8:28:47 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: deweyfrank
How is controlling the rate of increase of SS benefits cutting it off? You are being ridiculous. THe program must get under control.

A lot of "poor" older people have paid off houses and many other tangible assets but little income and call themselves "poor".

152 posted on 01/06/2012 8:28:49 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ncalburt

Well, Rick did say “changing” and not “cutting”, altho the inference is that Rick wants SS cut. It is strange that this story is standing alone, despite scores of reporters taping his every word. Bob


153 posted on 01/06/2012 8:29:07 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: patriot08
Seniors turn out to vote in droves. Santorum is FINISHED.

Oh yeah. I will personally lead the charge against him. Santorum must be destroyed in the remaining primaries.

154 posted on 01/06/2012 8:29:31 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: babygene
That’s not correct. 15% is just SS, Medicare is extra both you and your employer pay.

Wrong. Normally, it runs about 12.4% for SS, 6.2 paid by you, 6.2 by the employer up to $106+K. Medicare is equally split at 1.45% (no cap) each for a minimum total of 15.3%. In 2011, and at least for the first 2 months of 2012, you only pay 4.2% to SS; everything else stays the same. 2011 Social Security tax rate and maximum taxable earnings
155 posted on 01/06/2012 8:31:07 PM PST by Girlene
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To: alstewartfan

Just wait one day when it’s quietly reported that
Rick was misquoted by the AP won’t be reporting it!

This is called an ambush hit piece or Rush calls it a drive by media hit.
It’s a lie and a misquote but the victim does not get the benefit
Of an apology or retraction .

That is Chucky B and the AP specialty !

Most of these posters know this is a AP scam .and the
Obama media but their here to smear and fool people
And AstroTurf for their guy .
Many are stealth Paul bots Romney bots or Obama trolls.
I

Tn


156 posted on 01/06/2012 8:33:41 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; DJ MacWoW

“...if a senior lost money in the stock market, it is no one’s fault but their own.” Yeah. The fact that the subprime mortgage debacle was not prevented by our regulatory agencies and that the SEC failed in its regulatory function is the fault of the people who invested when fully trusting Moody’s ratings—oh, don’t get me started.


157 posted on 01/06/2012 8:34:25 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: trumandogz
If that is the case, write every Social Security recipient a check for the exact amount of money they paid in to Social Security minus the amount of money they have thus far received from Social Security.

You missed out on the interest due. They can pay out at the same rate that they would have for US Savings bonds.

People who talk about, "got more out then they paid in" always forget about interest.

Oh wait, you mean you can't cut them each a check for a million plus?

Oh dear, you do have a problem don't you?

158 posted on 01/06/2012 8:34:48 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Read the article again, you somehow filtered out the specifics. And he is right despite all the socialist nimby teeth gnashing on this thread. BTW, the benefits received exceed the money paid in by substantial amounts across the board for the average recipient.

I am a couple of years from retirement and if that needs to be 3 or 4 instead to right the ship I am ok with that as well.

159 posted on 01/06/2012 8:35:10 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: trumandogz
Cut all government spending.

You're whistling Dixie Trumandogz. We Boomers all vote and we will get our way. We will not allow our S/S benefits to be cut. Ha!

160 posted on 01/06/2012 8:36:07 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: hinckley buzzard

Only in the eyes of morons, socialist pigs and other assorted dipshits has Santorum stained his drawers. So there is no doubt you occupy one of those august groups.


161 posted on 01/06/2012 8:37:27 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ExtremeUnction; ErnBatavia; dalereed
Yes it is. But I planned during the 48 years of my working life on getting it, and I am. So Santorum is finished. I'll help destroy any chance he may have on getting elected.

Same here. I'd still vote for him against Obama but not in the primary.

My dad worked from inception of S.S. until the day he died and never saw a dime of his money back. I'm 66 and have been getting an S.S. check for four and a half years. I want to live long enough to get back what I paid in plus interest, then live a bit longer to collect dad's too.

Any of you youngins reading this, keep working and paying, I'm a greedy old coot.

162 posted on 01/06/2012 8:37:41 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: central_va
A lot of "poor" older people have paid off houses and many other tangible assets but little income and call themselves "poor".

How dare they have a house that is paid off.

163 posted on 01/06/2012 8:37:57 PM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: central_va

What? Did I say that? You try living off of $1600 a month, even if your house is paid for, you dolt!


164 posted on 01/06/2012 8:38:15 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Revolting cat!

Is that you Barack?


165 posted on 01/06/2012 8:38:45 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: alstewartfan

Note how none of these concerned Rick S haters /posters question a report from well known hard left AP Obama operative named Charles.

The AP did the same hit and run pieces/ lies on Perry and
Cain etc.. but these posters some how ignore all !

It’s a sea of posters here to trash Rick S and it does not matter that it’s a lie .
Pretty sad


166 posted on 01/06/2012 8:40:34 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Graybeard58

Don't worry, you'll always be able to eat.

167 posted on 01/06/2012 8:41:30 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Boston Blackie

“YOU SHOULD FEEL THE PAIN - THEY’RE YOUR KIDS!”

Good point...


168 posted on 01/06/2012 8:41:55 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Girlene

“Entitlements are a HUGE problem in the US.”

Social Security is not an Entitlement...as long as you think so, you are part of the problem. If my 15% (my and my employer’s contribution) had been invested at the unreasonable low level of 5%, I would be able to live comfortably on the interest and have hundreds of thousands to pass on to heirs...even after paying medical expenses, if I were to have any.

And btw, the reason medical expenses are way out of line in this country, is because the FDA/AMA/Drug Cartels want us all to be unhealthy and to be on all kinds of prescription drugs. They love Medicare and Medicade (Medicade is an entitlement program) because it makes them all wealthy. The FDA/AMA/Drug Cartels are evil, just as the real entitlement programs are evil.


169 posted on 01/06/2012 8:41:58 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: ExtremeUnction

You will gladly steal from your progeny and be damn proud of it to boot! You must be a “true conservative”, right?


170 posted on 01/06/2012 8:43:37 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: DJ MacWoW; TomGuy; mommyq

I agree 100% with all of you!!


171 posted on 01/06/2012 8:45:10 PM PST by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: deweyfrank
What? Did I say that? You try living off of $1600 a month, even if your house is paid for, you dolt!

Sell your house and use that to live off of, rent a nice small condo in Fla and get real. Most elderly can't keep up their house anyway and have to pay people to take care of it. I have never understood that. I don't know much about reverse mortgages but look into that.

172 posted on 01/06/2012 8:45:21 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

This is not gonna sit very well with the cane and walker crowd.

We may walk slowly but we walk to the polls.

Is Rick Santorum doing a Gingrich now, saying everything that floats into his head. Might be time to shut up.

But if he truly means this, it changes my opinion of him for the worse.


173 posted on 01/06/2012 8:46:00 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Kamikaze statement. H’s toast! We’re stuck with Romney. Time to fold up our tents and go home. First about blacks and now this about social security. Dumb as a bagful of hammers.


174 posted on 01/06/2012 8:46:12 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Do the evil capitalists hold you down and shove statins and aspirin down your throat?


175 posted on 01/06/2012 8:47:48 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
If my 15% (my and my employer’s contribution) had been invested at the unreasonable low level of 5%, I would be able to live comfortably on the interest and have hundreds of thousands to pass on to heirs...even after paying medical expenses, if I were to have any.

If if if if if if if if if.

Newsflash, it wasn't invested. It was spent. It is gone. FACE REALITY.

176 posted on 01/06/2012 8:47:57 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Ditto ! SS has become a rainy day fund for govt use, and a welfare program. I personally know people who collect, and collect more than most I know ever will, yet they never paid a dime into it! THAT is the problem with SS, not seniors who collect who have paid in all their lives.


177 posted on 01/06/2012 8:48:58 PM PST by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Steelfish

I agree that this hurts Santorum, but there are two other candidates in the race who are conservative.

Why cede to Romney so quickly?


178 posted on 01/06/2012 8:49:41 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: ncalburt

Has anyone **SEEN** the exchange? Remember the “withering on the vine” scam commercials re Newt! Bob


179 posted on 01/06/2012 8:49:55 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: altura

He truly means it, he intends to raise the retirement age by a year or so and reduce benefits for those who have high incomes. Should we hang the capitalist bastard tomorrow or Sunday?


180 posted on 01/06/2012 8:50:47 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: DJ MacWoW
“So you’d steal from old folks AND call them names...

Again, it is not my responsibility to take care of the “old folks” and believe that it would have been better for them to save and wisely invest their earnings during their working years.

The seniors need to be self reliant and stop begging at the alter of FDR & LBJ.

181 posted on 01/06/2012 8:52:00 PM PST by trumandogz (Rick Perry Scored 10% on the Iowa Test.)
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To: Graybeard58

I’ve been collecting it for 9 years and am 74.

Hopefuly I will live long enough to get my money back!


182 posted on 01/06/2012 8:53:02 PM PST by dalereed
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To: central_va

Doesn’t matter, they didn’t get a high rate of return so they get to steal from their grandkids instead of working an extra year. True conservatives all.


183 posted on 01/06/2012 8:53:20 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: central_va

Most of the people who have thought seriously about this issue, ie Paul Ryan and Rick Perry want to protect benefits for people already on it or within 8 to 10 years of retirement.

That’s only fair.

Cutting benefits would hurt older people. There is not a means test for social security, nor should there be, but for a lot of people it’s their main income.

There were no cost of living increases for 3 years until this year while everything such as gas and groceries went way up.

This is a very ill-thought out stance by Rick Santorum, but if that’s what he believes, I’m glad he told us before we voted for him.


184 posted on 01/06/2012 8:53:36 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: central_va

Nice try Obama troll. You know what you can do too. LOL


185 posted on 01/06/2012 8:54:40 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: central_va

You missed the point, Virginia...It is about control...that money in my control vs the Govt’s control...the @$$hole$ in the govt couldn’t claw their way out of a wet paper bag...and maybe you would have a problem too, if you are defending the entitlement concept of Soc Sec.


186 posted on 01/06/2012 8:56:06 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: ncalburt

We know it. We’re just playing with the more ultra-partisan supporters, watching them make fools of themselves.


187 posted on 01/06/2012 8:56:12 PM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Social Security is not an Entitlement...as long as you think so, you are part of the problem.

I don't agree. As far as your explanation of why Medicare is so expensive......a bit simplistic, IMHO. We treat our senior citizens well. We give them good care on the average. We value life, so spend extraordinary amounts on end of life procedures...and we pay mightily through Medicare. It's just the way it is.

I'm realistic about where things are at this point in time.

A little side note - It would be nice if more FReepers would try to have discussions in a civil manner that doesn't resort to personal attacks or accusations. When you attack or accuse an individual, you are not dealing with the issue at hand, just merely trying to put the other person on the defensive.
188 posted on 01/06/2012 8:56:26 PM PST by Girlene
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

BTTT Applause!!


189 posted on 01/06/2012 8:56:49 PM PST by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ncalburt
You actually believe a well documented liar from the AP and Dem party operative named Charley Babington .

The truth will come out. I do not automatically believe everything I read but if (big "if") the reporting is accurate, Santorum is toast.

190 posted on 01/06/2012 8:57:09 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: central_va

Most of the people who have thought seriously about this issue, ie Paul Ryan and Rick Perry want to protect benefits for people already on it or within 8 to 10 years of retirement.

That’s only fair.

Cutting benefits would hurt older people. There is not a means test for social security, nor should there be, but for a lot of people it’s their main income.

There were no cost of living increases for 3 years until this year while everything such as gas and groceries went way up.

This is a very ill-thought out stance by Rick Santorum, but if that’s what he believes, I’m glad he told us before we voted for him.


191 posted on 01/06/2012 8:57:40 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: jwalsh07

“He truly means it, he intends to raise the retirement age by a year or so and reduce benefits for those who have high incomes. Should we hang the capitalist bastard tomorrow or Sunday?”

Ricky. Santorum. Must. Die.


192 posted on 01/06/2012 8:59:29 PM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Graybeard58

Can you read?


193 posted on 01/06/2012 8:59:46 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: deweyfrank

I'll make sure you have a new one of these every year to go with a case of Alpo so you won't starve. < /sarc >

194 posted on 01/06/2012 9:00:25 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: alstewartfan

It’s doesn’t matter that it’s lie/ hit piece
pushed by a well documented AP Obama and
Clinton troll peddling lies for the Dems .
Its all about spreading a lie until it becomes well known
Fact .
Goebbels said it first - tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth
Thats Chuck ‘s agenda at the AP.
Yes Newt took huge hits from the same
AP frauds and liars .
Chucky knows his lies have no consequences !


195 posted on 01/06/2012 9:01:21 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: jwalsh07

He is a Romney-bot. Check out his posting history. I hope the statist old farts on this board aren’t representative of ....anything


196 posted on 01/06/2012 9:01:25 PM PST by hcmama
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To: altura

The two other candidates (Gingrich and Perry) are going down fast as well. Santorum was our best hope. How he could make such an idiotic comment that self-destructs is beyond me.


197 posted on 01/06/2012 9:02:18 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Gator113

Amen, brother.

I hate to see the hostility here for seniors by a few people.

Things were a lot different during working years for seniors.

My children, for example, learned early on in their working lives to invest in IRA’s and try to provide for their own retirement.

We’d never heard of IRA’s. The best we could do was live frugally and try to get our houses paid off.

We were taught that we would have social security and we need it.


198 posted on 01/06/2012 9:02:57 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: hcmama

Me too and I am an old fart, age wise that is. Still a freedom lover though.:-)


199 posted on 01/06/2012 9:03:16 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: central_va

Bring it to me, PLEASE.


200 posted on 01/06/2012 9:04:41 PM PST by deweyfrank
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