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Santorum: Trim Social Security now even if painful
Associated Press ^ | Jan 6, 2012 6:35 PM (ET) | CHARLES BABINGTON

Posted on 01/06/2012 6:38:10 PM PST by DJ MacWoW

KEENE, N.H. (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum called Friday for immediate cuts to Social Security benefits, risking the wrath of older voters and countless others who balk at changes to the entitlement program.

"We can't wait 10 years," even though "everybody wants to," Santorum told a crowd while campaigning in New Hampshire and looking to set himself apart from his Republican rivals four days before the New Hampshire primary.

Most of his opponents have advocated phasing in a reduction and say immediate cuts would be too big a shock to current and soon-to-be retirees.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: greed; planners; police; santorum; socialism; socialsecurity; teachers
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To: Graybeard58

“Any of you youngins reading this, keep working and paying, I’m a greedy old coot.”

I’m already working overtime in the coal mine.


201 posted on 01/06/2012 9:05:17 PM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: altura

If you are aware that SS was a Ponzi scheme, is broke, there is no money and you still want to maintain the status quo then you are supporting a socialist program. If you are OK with that then fine. It is wealth redistribution plain and simple.


202 posted on 01/06/2012 9:06:20 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: CGalen
>> This is an example of why he lost re-election of his home state by 20 points. <<

If he said the opposite, the Santorum bashers on here would be whining "This is an example why he's NOT a fiscal conservative. Newt is sooooooooo much better on cutting government!!"

203 posted on 01/06/2012 9:07:14 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Girlene
A little side note - It would be nice if more FReepers would try to have discussions in a civil manner that doesn't resort to personal attacks or accusations. When you attack or accuse an individual, you are not dealing with the issue at hand, just merely trying to put the other person on the defensive.

HA!

Good luck on that.

204 posted on 01/06/2012 9:07:43 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: volunbeer

That was a thoughtless post.

You are 40 and you know you won’t get benefits.

I think most people agree the system is not working and should be phased out.

PHASED OUT. Don’t you get it? People in their 70’s and 80’s were taught to depend on this.

Lives would be ruined if social security was cut or dropped now for people already on it or getting there.

You sound like a hard case, but good luck with your life.

I hope you don’t have any aging parents. They may have to move in with you.


205 posted on 01/06/2012 9:08:03 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: jwalsh07

What part do you think I didn’t read? I was basically agreeing with you. Wait and see where the truth is. No I don’t believe a lying liberal, unless he’s found to be telling the truth on a rare occasion.

Get out of attack mode when someone agrees with you.


206 posted on 01/06/2012 9:11:02 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: altura

Do you realize that Santorum has no intention of reducing the benefits of 75 and 80 year olds? Try reading the entire story for goodness sakes.


207 posted on 01/06/2012 9:11:23 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: central_va

And you, my friend, are a jerk.

And if you agree with Santorum on immediate changes to benefits currently being received by the elderly, you have no idea of the chaos that would be created.

I’ve said I’m all for phasing it out, protecting those who are on it now and about to be but for those under 55 there should be changes.

If you support Santorum on this, you are in a deluded minority.


208 posted on 01/06/2012 9:11:40 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Graybeard58

My point is that it’s a well known Obsma troll at the AP another daily source of Obama media lies , hit pieces and drive by bs but all
These posters automatically post like the hit piece
Is the gospel and most know it’s the usual overblown lies from
A democrat party operatives.


209 posted on 01/06/2012 9:11:57 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Girlene

“When you attack or accuse an individual, you are not dealing with the issue at hand, just merely trying to put the other person on the defensive.”

Review your posts.


210 posted on 01/06/2012 9:12:45 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: jwalsh07

I hadn’t thought of that. :)

But we all agree it’s the sound bites and headlines that matter.


211 posted on 01/06/2012 9:12:48 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Graybeard58

A girl can dream.


212 posted on 01/06/2012 9:14:11 PM PST by Girlene
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To: DJ MacWoW

I’ve never expected to receive a dime from Social Security.


213 posted on 01/06/2012 9:16:28 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/00/social_security.html


214 posted on 01/06/2012 9:16:53 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: lahargis

I am in my 40s. I did not vote SSI in. I was forced to pay. Do I expect to see SS? No. But you tell my 70 year old mother who depends on SS that her benefits are going to be cut, she is NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR YOU.

In case you missed that... If you tell my 70 year old mother her SS benefits are going to be cut, SHE IS NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR YOU.

That sweetie, is just how she rolls.


This is why our country is doomed, right here.

Fact, the politicians stole the money. Our parents generation was too focused on themselves to pay attention and now many of them expect my kids to pay more so they can enjoy the rewards the same politicians promised them. Our generation is doing nothing to change it because of what you wrote.... it’s political death.

My grandma took care of her mother. My mom takes care of my grandma. I will take care of my mom. My Aunt took care of her sister who had no kids. It works in much of the world but it’s too inconvenient for us... it’s just easier to make our kids pay for it!

Government pushed entitlements on a willing populace just like a drug dealer pushes dope onto the weak. We are all addicted now, comrade.

One politician talks says the truth and look at the response of many “conservatives” on this forum. Sad.


215 posted on 01/06/2012 9:16:58 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: altura

Well said!


216 posted on 01/06/2012 9:18:04 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: jwalsh07

Okay, I went back and read the story carefully.

I don’t like what he said at all. He was murky on details and shouldn’t have said anything at all until he’d thought more seriously about his plan.

He was for cutting benefits and for means testing. The whole deal with social security as it was sold to us was that it was retirement we were paying for and belonged to us.

There would never be means testing.

They also said that the fund would be kept separate and sacred.

“They” lied about a lot of things.

Now, as it read it, Santorum is advocating means testing and reduction in current benefits.

He’ll probably come out tomorrow and say he was misunderstood and it was all a joke, hahahaha.

But he’s now moved into last place in my estimation when, before he was Number 2.


217 posted on 01/06/2012 9:18:25 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: jwalsh07

“Do the evil capitalists hold you down and shove statins and aspirin down your throat?”

Not mine, my FRiend, but they do that to many unsuspecting patients, and not just seniors. Statins are bad, period...cholesterol is not a disease. That is just one of may examples of gross malfeasance on the part of allopathic medicine...

And btw, aspirin is not a bad thing...the malfeasors would shove Tylenol down your throat...one of the leading causes of destroyed livers...hope you prefer aspirin... :)


218 posted on 01/06/2012 9:19:08 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: CainConservative

Thanks
It’s like Ground hog day every time the Obama media
Need to destroy anyone else from preventing Useful idiot Mittens from losing badly to their Dear Marxist Leader .


219 posted on 01/06/2012 9:19:34 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: deweyfrank

Thanks. Santorum has moved into last place for me both for what he proposes and for being stupid enough to propose it now.


220 posted on 01/06/2012 9:20:30 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: ncalburt
Rick Santorum on Social Security

www.Click to view

1994: Proposed raising retirement age, despite unpopularity.(Sep 2011)

Supports privatization if voluntary. (Sep 2006)

Switched from raising retirement age to personal accounts. (Sep 2006)

Guaranteed benefit if over 50; personal account if younger. (Sep 2006)

Raise retirement age? Maybe. Private investment? Yes. (May 2000)

Social Security needs reform sooner rather than later. (May 2000)

Voted YES on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)

Voted YES on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)

Voted YES on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)

Voted YES on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)

Rated 10% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)

221 posted on 01/06/2012 9:20:49 PM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: BillyBoy

Wasn’t it just yesterday we were reading how Santorum was a “Big Government, Compassionate, Conservative”?. And now an article on how he wants to throw old people out on the streets /sarc.

God help us if Obamacare doesn’t get repealed.


222 posted on 01/06/2012 9:21:04 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Just how conservative are these people complaining about what Santorum said?


223 posted on 01/06/2012 9:21:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: DJ MacWoW
"The answer is to privatize."

AAAAmen! Put it back where it was before LBJ decided it would be really nifty to put it into the general fund. People pay into it all of their lives; it should be available to them in their declining years.
224 posted on 01/06/2012 9:22:01 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: All
"Santorum: Trim Social Security now even if painful..."

Unbelievable that he would choose this to ignite his campaign. Ignite as in crash and burn...

225 posted on 01/06/2012 9:22:35 PM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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To: TomGuy

and some of us self-employed fools paid the full amount - meaning both the non-existent employer contribution and our own.

Now, because of the humongeous health care premiums we once paid, we couldn’t save enough, so now are up the creek. No paddles remain.

We would really appreciate a check for all we have paid in, with reasonable interest, and please consider all the losses incurred by the ever-shifting tax laws which consumed our savings when the “rules” changed.

Anyone remember when they did away with the law that let us income average for the good years vs the lean years?)

We have been screweled by our congress and administration for far more years than we care to think about, and when we try to explain the late 70s/early 80s to our adult children, they get that thousand yard stare, like the old-folks are whining again.

What the heck, I can’t even get across the concept of the fiat dollar to them.

It seems that they are doomed to have to learn it all on their own, the hard way. And, then 4 generations later, there will be a reprise of the same old sad refrain.

My only advice is to get out of your 401k/IRA/stocks, etc, and grab some real money while it is still cheap. That doesn’t mean fiat dollars/computer bank entries, my friends - but silver and gold coins, or bullion. Not paper, but the real deal, in your own possession.

Even though we are presently too poor to take these precautions, and need all our savings for meeting the “assisted living” bills, you might be in a better position to protect yourselves, your children, and your grandchildren against the oncoming devastation.

Again, do your own research, and be aware of the dangers of the market gimmicks out there. Not all that glitters, etc.


226 posted on 01/06/2012 9:23:23 PM PST by jacquej
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To: DJ MacWoW
"Don't cut SS, cut GOVERNMENT. "

I agree, but that's not going to happen. Most of the people who are active in politics for either political party are also directly or indirectly (e.g., services) dependent on incomes from government. Keep your eyes open, and you'll see comments from employees and pensioners of all levels of government here. There aren't enough voters making useful products. The few who try to do so are being robbed. It's going to get much worse, too.


227 posted on 01/06/2012 9:23:23 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: TomGuy

and some of us self-employed fools paid the full amount - meaning both the non-existent employer contribution and our own.

Now, because of the humongeous health care premiums we once paid, we couldn’t save enough, so now are up the creek. No paddles remain.

We would really appreciate a check for all we have paid in, with reasonable interest, and please consider all the losses incurred by the ever-shifting tax laws which consumed our savings when the “rules” changed.

Anyone remember when they did away with the law that let us income average for the good years vs the lean years?)

We have been screweled by our congress and administration for far more years than we care to think about, and when we try to explain the late 70s/early 80s to our adult children, they get that thousand yard stare, like the old-folks are whining again.

What the heck, I can’t even get across the concept of the fiat dollar to them.

It seems that they are doomed to have to learn it all on their own, the hard way. And, then 4 generations later, there will be a reprise of the same old sad refrain.

My only advice is to get out of your 401k/IRA/stocks, etc, and grab some real money while it is still cheap. That doesn’t mean fiat dollars/computer bank entries, my friends - but silver and gold coins, or bullion. Not paper, but the real deal, in your own possession.

Even though we are presently too poor to take these precautions, and need all our savings for meeting the “assisted living” bills, you might be in a better position to protect yourselves, your children, and your grandchildren against the oncoming devastation.

Again, do your own research, and be aware of the dangers of the market gimmicks out there. Not all that glitters, etc.


228 posted on 01/06/2012 9:23:35 PM PST by jacquej
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Girlene - “When you attack or accuse an individual, you are not dealing with the issue at hand, just merely trying to put the other person on the defensive.”

GGpaX4DumpedTea - Review your posts.

I have. There is no malice, no personal accusation. The only thing that comes close is that I said I thought your explanation of why Medicare costs were so high was simplistic, In My Humble Opinion.....then went on to back up what I thought made them so high. If you took offense to that...none was intended. I certainly didn't tell you to "put something in your pipe"......or tell you that you were part of "the problem" just because you didn't agree with my position.

Explain further if you like.
229 posted on 01/06/2012 9:24:37 PM PST by Girlene (Be nice)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Calling SS an entitlement really pisses me off. Working for thirty plus years and contributing my hard earned money....it Burns me using that word.


230 posted on 01/06/2012 9:24:45 PM PST by Shyla
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To: jwalsh07

I’m not for hanging him, but I’m not voting for him.

Not that it will matter. By the time it ever gets to Texas my vote won’t matter.

I’m for Perry who outlined a sensible plan, but if Perry doesn’t make it, I’m switching to Gingrich.


231 posted on 01/06/2012 9:24:53 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura

We’ll save you a seat.


232 posted on 01/06/2012 9:26:30 PM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: patriot08

Amen!


233 posted on 01/06/2012 9:26:30 PM PST by Shyla
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To: TBP

The FR SSI is mine don’t touch it crowd might be happier if they went over to the DU. They’d be missed but what the hack go with your own kind.


234 posted on 01/06/2012 9:26:48 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I want your money and I want it now.

Ring the doorbell loud (I’m a little deaf in the older years) and bring cash.

I don’t trust no banks or nothin’


235 posted on 01/06/2012 9:27:05 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Oh,for Pete's sake. This is the AP reporting this....

....The AP!!!

I'd take this with a grain of salt. Really.
236 posted on 01/06/2012 9:27:38 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: patriot08

The posts here just confirm what I’ve been saying for years about why nothing will ever change in Washington.

Everybody wants to cut spending and pork EXCEPT for their own pet programs.


237 posted on 01/06/2012 9:28:17 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Shyla
Calling SS an entitlement really pisses me off. Working for thirty plus years and contributing my hard earned money....it Burns me using that word

It's a Ponzi scheme. Intellectually you know this is true but you are in denial. You are not alone. Reality is bitch and sometimes it is ok to delude yourself. The problem is when people delude themselves on a public web site.

238 posted on 01/06/2012 9:29:53 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: altura

You get 6.4% of my money every month.


239 posted on 01/06/2012 9:31:17 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dfwgator

Social security is not a ‘pet program.’

It’s a system instituted by the government and forced on us.

A large percentage of senior citizens depend on their social security for basic living.

Perhaps it should have been changed years ago, but it wasn’t. You saw what happened to George W. Bush when he tried social security reform.

People are amenable to reform now and it can happen if a sensible, compassionate (sorry about the word—I know it offends some of you) plan is proposed.


240 posted on 01/06/2012 9:31:59 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura

"I'm old.....Gimme Gimme Gimme!"

241 posted on 01/06/2012 9:32:22 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Revolting cat!

Your kids have no claims on it.


Are you for real?

My kids have no claim on what - oppressive taxation on their future earnings? Have you noticed that “we” are 16 Trillion in debt? Contrary to popular belief and some of what I am reading on here the SSI Trust Fund does not exists in a vacuum or lockbox. It’s a guarantee by the same government that is 16 Trillion dollars in debt that grows more each passing day. It all comes from the same government and same printing press.

There is no trust fund! There is nothing... it’s a ponzi scheme that is administered by fools. Don’t worry though, I expect our politicians to completely destroy our currency and economy to honor their promises to cut those checks to you.


242 posted on 01/06/2012 9:33:01 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: central_va

Well, that’s not enough. Do you know how much peanut butter costs now? And I have a 103 pound dog who likes food.

I want ten percent of your money and I want it now.


243 posted on 01/06/2012 9:33:42 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: volunbeer

Screw our grandkids, let’s party!


244 posted on 01/06/2012 9:33:42 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: altura

Perry also said the pensions 65 or near 65 year olds would not be affected in his plan.

The BEST thing he said was all countries now receiving foreign aid would start again at Zero in his administration.
THAT’S what we need to cut.
Look at the BILLIONS Omuslim has poured down Islamic sh*tholes.


245 posted on 01/06/2012 9:33:55 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: central_va

You work, pay into it, yes you should be able to benefit from it. I have never looked at SS as an entitlement as long as one works and pays into it.


246 posted on 01/06/2012 9:34:18 PM PST by Shyla
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To: altura
This is a very ill-thought out stance by Rick Santorum, but if that’s what he believes, I’m glad he told us before we voted for him.

I had high hopes for Santorum, but in this case I'm afraid he wanted to show that he can make the tough and painful decisions, instead showed that he can make the easy and dumb decisions.

As has already been said, and as has been the subject of previous threads, Medicaid and Medicare are greater future liabilities than SS.

And what sort of painful cuts does Rick plan for those, or for Section 8 housing, or food stamps and welfare? Guess he hasn't thought that far.

247 posted on 01/06/2012 9:34:55 PM PST by Will88
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To: central_va
You get 6.4% of my money every month.

Somebody gets 13.3% of your and your employer's money every month. Normally it's 15.3%. How much of that is wasted, passed on in SS payments, passed on in Medicare, pays x amount of Federal workers,.....who knows. But, it is a pay as you go program as far as I know....no lockbox.
248 posted on 01/06/2012 9:36:37 PM PST by Girlene (Be nice)
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To: dfwgator

well, I’m not that old.

And by the way, that’s kind of an insult, but I guess you don’t care.


249 posted on 01/06/2012 9:37:07 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

BTW: I just donated a small amount to the Sanatorum campaign, $100.00.


250 posted on 01/06/2012 9:37:28 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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