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The best .177 cal. (air) pellet gun to buy [Vanity]
My Brain | 7 January 2012 | Me

Posted on 01/07/2012 8:05:33 AM PST by bjorn14

I live in Norway and as most of you know the handgun laws here are insane but I discovered that .177 cal. pellet guns are exempt from the avalanche of paperwork and most other rules.

With the increasing criminality in Oslo I was thinking of getting one to at least act as a deterent or precieved equalization of the situation. It is better than having nothing.

Prefer CO2 powered. Thanks in advance.


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1 posted on 01/07/2012 8:05:40 AM PST by bjorn14
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To: bjorn14

Do the paperwork and get a real gun.


2 posted on 01/07/2012 8:07:49 AM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: bjorn14

http://www.pyramydair.com/


3 posted on 01/07/2012 8:08:16 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: bjorn14

got a gammo, you cock it though, has more power than a .22 rifle out to around 30 yards. with a scope it is deadly accurate.
although for self defense, its probably a joke. you are better off with a baseball bat and a can of mace imho.


4 posted on 01/07/2012 8:09:49 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: bjorn14

Get a shotgun.


5 posted on 01/07/2012 8:10:24 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: bjorn14

I own a Spanish break barrel pellet rifle which is very accurate out to a hundred feet. It mounts a 4X scope.


6 posted on 01/07/2012 8:11:47 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: bjorn14

Move to Texas.


7 posted on 01/07/2012 8:13:34 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Thane_Banquo
Move to Texas.

Bump!

8 posted on 01/07/2012 8:18:00 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: bjorn14

Move to the USA, and buy all the guns you want, and live where you want.


9 posted on 01/07/2012 8:18:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bjorn14

Forget it. All you’ll do is make the person you shoot angry. Buy yourself a large dog and a fireplace poker.


10 posted on 01/07/2012 8:19:32 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: bjorn14

Throwing heavy or pointy objects might be a better option.


11 posted on 01/07/2012 8:19:32 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: bjorn14

Do you want to use it for shooting skeet or trap?


12 posted on 01/07/2012 8:20:54 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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13 posted on 01/07/2012 8:21:33 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: bjorn14

you want an airgun for self defense? Better find one you can attach a bayonet to.


14 posted on 01/07/2012 8:21:49 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: bjorn14

I have a opossum problem, but I live in a subdivision. It is outside the city limits so discharging a firearm is legal, but since possums are nocturnal, most of my possum problems occur at night and I don’t want to upset the neighbors.

So, I got a .177 pellet rifle. 1200 fps with hunting pellets.

I waited for my first possum to arrive and...

..it took 6 shots to kill it. (We have large possums around here!)

Now, I use my Ruger 10/22 to dispatch possums and the neighbors can just deal with the noise, which isn’t much more than the noise from a 1200 fps pellet rifle.

Moral of the story: using a pellet gun against a human predator is pointless. Get a baseball bat if you don’t want to do the paperwork on a firearm.


15 posted on 01/07/2012 8:22:12 AM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: bjorn14
First, forget CO2.

Second, what are your requirements? Fun plinking? Serious target shooting? Competition? Pest management? What caliber (I got .22 for pest control)? How much energy? What motive force, springer or pre-charged pneumatic (PCP)? The PCPs cost a LOT more to get into, but have some tremendous advantages.

I've got an RWS Model 48 side cocking rifle and a Weiihrauch HW97K under-lever cock. Like both of them a lot.

Go ask your questions on the "Yellow Forum" -- 100% air gun buffs will be happy to give you all the answers you want. That's where I started my research. Search the forum and you'll find lots of people asking the same question - "What rifle should I purchase?"

In addition to PyramydAir, also check out Airguns of Arizona and Air Gun Depot. I've purchased ammunition, accessories, and parts from Pyramyd and have been very happy with their prices and fast service. Be sure to look for their sales.

Lastly, think about buying used guns to start. You can save a lot of money that way. Many serious buffs buy and sell rifles all the time and you get the advantage of them taking the depreciation. High quality rifles really hold their value. I bought both of my rifles on the classified section of the Yellow Forum and was very happy with the service from the sellers.

16 posted on 01/07/2012 8:22:29 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Kirkwood

“Forget it. All you’ll do is make the person you shoot angry.”

What if you shoot his eye out first?


17 posted on 01/07/2012 8:22:29 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: bjorn14

Carrying a toy to frighten an aggressor is at best foolhardy. Unless the device can serve to disable someone intent on doing you harm, it is nothing more than a pacifier.

If you can’t carry a firearm, perhaps a decent knife, walking stick or gentleman’s cane could better serve. Certainly they don’t carry the potential to frighten as a firearm, but if you take time to develop the skill to use one, your safety won’t be dependent on the slim chance any aggressor can be scared away.

When in a location or situation where the potential for confrontation or danger exists, the most important things is to be aware of your surroundings and any persons or objects that may pose a threat.

And above all, listen to your instincts. When you feel something isn’t quite right, it’s time to leave the area.


18 posted on 01/07/2012 8:26:13 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: bjorn14

Gotta say, I go with the other opinions around here. A pellet gun will never be much more than a bluff or a way of pissing them off. Even a real .22 lr gun is questionable for self defense.

Go with a bat, and whatever chemicals they allow there (pepper spray or mace). A large dog is a good idea as well.

You should be careful up front though and look into the self defense laws in Norway though. It could be that the law looks at “lay back and take it or run” as the only permissible responses. Then the dog is the best bet since it acts as a deterrent.


19 posted on 01/07/2012 8:26:14 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: jjotto

Got nothing but pages of error messages at this link.


20 posted on 01/07/2012 8:26:29 AM PST by davisfh
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To: Jack Hydrazine
What if you shoot his eye out first?

Then he will be really, really angry

21 posted on 01/07/2012 8:27:11 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: bjorn14

Crossman model 1099. CO2 powered and 625 fps muzzle velocity. You can buy the basic model that uses the small co2 cylinder good for 25 or so shots or the better model that can use the large co2 cylinder good for many more shots. This is a good protection weapon since you can pepper someone with .177 pellets as fast as you can pull the trigger and 625 fps can kill a small varmit.


22 posted on 01/07/2012 8:27:28 AM PST by jubail
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airguns for defense? You’d better hope you’re accurate enough to shoot a home invader clean through the eye, because a hit anywhere else would most likely just piss him off.


23 posted on 01/07/2012 8:28:35 AM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: SampleMan

Get a 16-ton weight.


24 posted on 01/07/2012 8:29:07 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: bjorn14
May I humbly recommend a sturdy machete? Get a good quality, heavy one, and it's a falchion by another name.
25 posted on 01/07/2012 8:30:36 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: davisfh

Must be your browser. Pyramyd Air is the largest seller of air guns in the USA.


26 posted on 01/07/2012 8:33:32 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Travis McGee
"Move to the USA, and buy all the guns you want, and live where you want."

Better qualify that statement. Here in Massachusetts, you can't buy a gun with an "assault magazine," eg a weapon that hold more than 13 or 14 rounds (tubular mags exempt). You can't buy handguns unless you are 21+, there is a ten day waiting period (or is it thirty?) for buying a gun, and I would not be suprised if they report you if you buy certain guns in quick succession (but I'm just guessing on that one.)

Welcome to MA,and abandon all hope, ye who enter this place...

27 posted on 01/07/2012 8:33:56 AM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: bjorn14
Try a .22 caliber Benjamin or a 5MM Sheridan, they are pump up action rifles but as a kid I had both and they can easily shoot thru an inch of pine board with power to spare, go for the eyes. But may I suggest you look into a crossbow w/razor broad heads or cap and ball, blackpowder weapons-thats assuming they haven`t outlawed them.
28 posted on 01/07/2012 8:35:29 AM PST by nomad
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To: bjorn14

There are four air gun calibers today - .177 (4.5mm), .20 (5mm), .22 (5.5mm) and .25 (6.35mm). What’s the limit where you live?

How about a full-auto BB gun? Are they allowed?

If you had a full-auto BB gun for home defense I think that might work! No criminal could take being sprayed with a bunch of BBs.


29 posted on 01/07/2012 8:35:41 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Bryanw92

Them possums be wearing kevlar. Just chuck a rock at a possum. Or, if you gots a big rock, chuck the possum at the rock. Possum be good eatin’. Fry him up with some taters. Use the tail for a toothpick. I use a box of Possum Helper for a real treat. Possum a real tricky citter. Sometime, you go to shoot a possum and you flash a light up in a tree and you ask “Possum? Is that you?” And he answer “Nope. Just a owl”. They can even disgise...disgeyes....change they voice.


30 posted on 01/07/2012 8:35:44 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: bjorn14

I agree with the others that an air rifle is not practical for self defense. There are a few very expensive pre charged pneumatics which are about as powerful as a .357 magnum but like I said, very expensive.

I too have an RWS (Dynamit Nobel) Diana model 48. It shoots a light weight but standard lead pellet around 1200 fps. Most of those which say 1200 fps are really around 900 fps which is still fairly powerful. Even the model 48 tho is not even up to a .22lr. It is also heavy and slow to reload and cock.

The problem with CO2 is that it is limited to power as the CO2 gas will never expand rapidly enough for real power.

The advantage to CO2 is that it can be used for rapid repeaters and even at their power level they just might hurt so much as to make an intruder leave.

So in essence, an air rifle is not a viable choice for self defense, but in a pinch I would use one.


31 posted on 01/07/2012 8:36:13 AM PST by yarddog
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To: beebuster2000

Will he issue a strongly worded statement afterward?


32 posted on 01/07/2012 8:36:44 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: jjotto

BTW, depending on the laws where you live, it’s possible that an antique gun would be OK for self-defense and not require a great load of paperwork.


33 posted on 01/07/2012 8:37:53 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: bjorn14

An older version of their site is still up:

http://wop.pyramydair.com/


34 posted on 01/07/2012 8:39:24 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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I visited Oslo 12 years ago and was struck by how well preserved and beautiful the center city was. Most American cities of that size have a lawless, bombed out urban core where the whites have simply left.

Nobody in those American cities gave much thought as to their personal safety either until the race riots of the 1960’s. Sad to see this happen to Oslo.


35 posted on 01/07/2012 8:39:55 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: bjorn14
Realistically, if you try using a .177 pellet PISTOL, unless you get a lucky shot and shoot him in the eye, and he's not enraged and drops to the floor, screaming in pain, be well prepared in self defense, because the person you shot will probably try to kill you, rather than just robbing you.

Seriously, .177 pistol won't kill a cat, what do you think it will do to a criminal?

Mark

36 posted on 01/07/2012 8:40:33 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: bjorn14

I recall a thread a while back that referred to something that could be called a “tactical umbrella”—umbrellas specically made to act as self-defense weapons. They look and work like an ordinary umbrella but are made out of tough materials. Any place where the average man is often seen with an umbrella and they become invisible.


37 posted on 01/07/2012 8:42:44 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: Bryanw92
One of those little chipmunk 22 rifles shooting a short, neighbor will never hear it, and you can buy subsonic ammo as well, http://chipmunkrifles.com/index.php?cPath=26
38 posted on 01/07/2012 8:43:14 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: bjorn14
There`s also a compound bow for faster reloads or a Katana(samurai) sword.I have a nice one w/a Damascus type blade, never thought of it as a primary weapon but it can cut thru several broom handles duct taped together so I guess it would hack thru a limb or such.
39 posted on 01/07/2012 8:44:11 AM PST by nomad
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To: bjorn14

I noticed that PyramidAir sells a couple of rifles in .45 and .50 caliber with a muzzle velocity of about 700fps. What kind of damage could those do?


40 posted on 01/07/2012 8:47:04 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: bjorn14

Oslo, Norway? There’s no crime there. It’s a socialist paradise. What? The herrring are holding up people now? Get a lefse gun. Norwegian tortillas. Let ‘em dry out and fling them like Odd Job flung his hat in Goldfinger. Deadly up to 30 yards....unless the criminal has butter and sugar. I’m tellin’ ya, if Norway made their criminals eat ludefisk, there’d be no crime in Norway.


41 posted on 01/07/2012 8:47:16 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: bjorn14
Beeman Kodiak if you can find one. Don't settle for .177, go with the .22 size pellet

I have one and I can make head shots on rabbits out to about 35 yards (haven't had a chance to shoot anything further).

This gun is not a piece of junk, it's a heavy, well crafted rifle with a beautiful walnut stock.

Beeman Kodiak


42 posted on 01/07/2012 8:48:46 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Naugahyde is no longer available due to the Naugas being hunted to extinction.....)
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To: bjorn14

Those who are suggesting some type of edged weapon have a point, that is if they are not illegal too in Norway.

Cold Steel sells a stabbing spear which really would be deadly. Also an Ontario machete would scare the dickens out of me if someone was threatening me with one.


43 posted on 01/07/2012 8:48:55 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Jack Hydrazine

What kind of damage could an .25 caliber air rifle do if the lead you are slinging is doing between 1400 and 1650fps?

PyramidAir has one for $400.


44 posted on 01/07/2012 8:50:14 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: bjorn14
I have a Remington Vantage. It shoots pellets at 1200 fps and is very accurate to 75 yards after patiently zeroing in the scope. Cheap too, $120...

Mike

45 posted on 01/07/2012 8:50:25 AM PST by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Bryanw92

With my Gammo (1200 fps) I’ve dispatched a medium sized raccoon and large ground hog. Later was from less than 10 ft. The beast was fence-fighting with a neighbor’s Alaskan Husky and paying no attention to me. Both with single shots!


46 posted on 01/07/2012 8:51:20 AM PST by Jumpmaster (Defund the Left!)
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To: yarddog

Cold Steel katana demo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3nAuowwqhI


47 posted on 01/07/2012 8:54:05 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: bjorn14

GAMO... http://www.gamousa.com/


48 posted on 01/07/2012 8:55:26 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: drbuzzard

22LR can be good for self defense. My 1022 throws a lot of lead and with a 30 round mag it would kill on the first shot, but after getting 20 little slugs into a perp, he might decide to seek softer targets.
But then if reachin in the locker for a rifle, the 12gauge with 00 buck would be the first thing i grabbed.


49 posted on 01/07/2012 8:57:54 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: bjorn14
Prefer CO2 powered.

Stay away from CO2, they just don't have the power. Plus, you are advised to not leave unspent cartridges in the gun as it will destroy the seals.

Since you never mentioned what you were going to do with it, I gave you my thoughts.

If you only want to do some plinking, here's a fun little pistol in CO2, .177, that's actually a semi-automatic

Walther Nighthawk


50 posted on 01/07/2012 8:58:43 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Naugahyde is no longer available due to the Naugas being hunted to extinction.....)
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