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If America Spends More Than Most Countries Per Student, Then Why Are Its Schools So Bad?
Business Insider ^ | 01/07/2012 | Michael Brendan Dougherty

Posted on 01/07/2012 2:24:22 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Spending Per Pupil International

Comparatively speaking, the United States does not starve its education system of revenue. The U.S. is one of the leaders in spending on Education, and yet it's schools are rated "average" by international bodies.  

The three-yearly OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which compares the knowledge and skills of 15-year-olds in 70 countries around the world, ranked the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics.

Worse, out of 34 OECD countries, only 8 have a lower high school graduation rate. The United States' education outcomes most resemble Poland's, a nation that spends less than half on education than the U.S. 

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KEYWORDS: education; liberaleducation; nea; spending; useducation; usschools
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1 posted on 01/07/2012 2:24:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Two Reasons:

SIGHT WORDS (i.e., Whole Language)

FUZZY MATH

Once we left teaching from the bottom up (i.e., phonics and math without calculators) we were DOOMED. And the people leading the charge knew it - and wanted it that way, so as to take us down a few notches in the world.


2 posted on 01/07/2012 2:27:07 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s the NEA.


3 posted on 01/07/2012 2:27:53 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe because the most important factor in a well educated child is a home environment where a kid is encouraged to learn and their parents actively support their education? If it was otherwise, then the Wash DC school system would be a national model given all they spend (waste).


4 posted on 01/07/2012 2:28:07 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: SeekAndFind

Lots of reasons. One big one is that schools have to take and keep every kid.

We could make them better by requiring certain standards of behavior.


5 posted on 01/07/2012 2:28:28 PM PST by Principled
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not the schools, it is the parents. American students, with very few exceptions, have everything they need to excel academically.

What they need are parents who demand results from their kids.


6 posted on 01/07/2012 2:28:44 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe because we’re not paying to educate out kids - we’re paying union protection money.


7 posted on 01/07/2012 2:28:44 PM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We don’t educate kids anymore. It’s all about social indoctrination.


8 posted on 01/07/2012 2:29:01 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: PeteB570

“Maybe because we’re not paying to educate out kids - we’re paying union protection money.”

That too. Albert Shanker (former teacher union president) had a famous quote that went something like this: “When the students start paying dues, we’ll start representing their interests too.”


9 posted on 01/07/2012 2:30:59 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some schools are excellent. Others are not doing their job.

Some of our big city school systems spend the most per capita, and have some of the worst results.

Political correctness prohibits us from discussing why the schools of Washington, DC, Detroit, Gary, Indiana, Camden, New Jersey, etc. spend so much and get a failing grade in doing their job.


10 posted on 01/07/2012 2:31:08 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind
If America Spends More Than Most Countries Per Student, Then Why Are Its Schools So Bad?

High wages, wonderful retirement programs, union support, and benefits package that can not be compared to in the world can't teach.

11 posted on 01/07/2012 2:31:57 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too worried about “equalization”.


12 posted on 01/07/2012 2:32:57 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: SeekAndFind

Unions


13 posted on 01/07/2012 2:33:10 PM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Bryan24
What they need are parents who demand results from their kids.

What we need is zero restrictions on who we choose we want to pay to teach our children without penalties in making that choice.

14 posted on 01/07/2012 2:35:05 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SeekAndFind

America spends the most money without results because the money is not actually spent on educating the students, but rather on the teachers, on the teachers’ retirement funds, on administrators, on administrators’ retirement funds, on new books updating GLBT contributions to society, on meeting federal and state regulations, on Tile IX, on Olympic size swimming pools, etc. etc...


15 posted on 01/07/2012 2:35:59 PM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: Bryan24

Yes. But also:
— Special education csts
— Teacher benefits
— Bloated administrations


16 posted on 01/07/2012 2:36:07 PM PST by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe because teachers are trained by the likes of Bill Ayers and his ilk?

Then again, a lot of teachers feel that slapping a CD into the machine equates to teaching.

And when they aren’t playing “projectionist” they spend COUNTLESS classroom hours in rehearsals for the next school play. I first noticed this as a reporter, when I was sent to a fifth grade classroom for some silly production they were holding. It struck me that the singing was flawless and the choreography must have required a LOT of practice time. Hmmm.


17 posted on 01/07/2012 2:39:34 PM PST by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. - Robert Heinlein)
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To: Keith in Iowa
"We don’t educate kids anymore. It’s all about social indoctrination."

Indeed; the purpose of the public school system is more about creating little dependent drones who will vote Democrat than about education.

18 posted on 01/07/2012 2:39:41 PM PST by Truth29
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To: SeekAndFind

‘Bureaucracy Can’t Teach’: Why American schools often fail
http://washingtonexaminer.com/special-reports/2009/04/bureaucracy-can-t-teach-why-american-schools-often-fail#ixzz1ioY7RnJQ


19 posted on 01/07/2012 2:41:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: SeekAndFind

One simple four letter word:

U N I O N


20 posted on 01/07/2012 2:41:47 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: EGPWS
What we need is zero restrictions on who we choose we want to pay to teach our children without penalties in making that choice.

Correct. Get rid of our Socialist Public Schools. Get the Government and the Taxpayer out of the schooling business. Pay for your own children.

21 posted on 01/07/2012 2:42:09 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree with others that it has mainly to do with degradation of the family, and thinking of it as a daycare.

If a student is not too bright with parents who care about their education, they will be trying their best and likely pass regardless.

If a student is very bright but whose parent(s) couldn’t care less about their education, they themselves will start to not care.


22 posted on 01/07/2012 2:42:58 PM PST by PAConservative1
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To: SeekAndFind

teachers unions


23 posted on 01/07/2012 2:45:13 PM PST by Temujinshordes
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To: SeekAndFind; wintertime

This is a good posting, because we can see just how fractured the opinion is on this. So far we have the following:

1) One clown blaming the curriculum
2) Next is the NEA
3) Next is the parents
4) Next are laws requiring that brats stay in class
5) Then comes social indoctrination
6) Followed by political correctness
7) The drive for equal results
8) Followed by lack of school choice
9) Federal/State regulations
10) Special ed costs
11) Excessive overhead
12) Teachers (finally, someone getting close)
13) Socialist (i.e., government-run) Public Schools (good answer too)

Unions seem to be the favorite

Thomas Sowell compared our education system with a Hydra. It’s multi-headed and each time you cut off a head, it grows right back and also grows an additional one.


24 posted on 01/07/2012 2:45:13 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: SeekAndFind

WHAT ARE CALL TEACHERS ARE NO MORE THAN COMMUNIST BRAINWASHERING BABYSITTERS!


25 posted on 01/07/2012 2:47:31 PM PST by dalereed
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To: SeekAndFind

Pet peeve:

American journalists refering to things American as “its”.

America is an “ours”, not “its”.

/rant off


26 posted on 01/07/2012 2:48:16 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (ROMNEY / ALINSKY 2012 (sarcasm))
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To: SeekAndFind
Because we lead the universe in non-teaching personnel.
27 posted on 01/07/2012 2:49:38 PM PST by Cyman
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To: SeekAndFind

Other countries administer a sound whipping to the bad kids. We let them run the schools.


28 posted on 01/07/2012 2:51:20 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Principled

From the trenches.

I agree....lots of reasons.

For example: We have students who live several miles from our district and yet we are required by federal law (McKinney-Vento) to pay for a taxi cab to deliver and return them daily to their home. They lost their home in the district so moved in with a relative. The law gives them the right to demand a ride to our school though there are some in their new neighborhood.

We had a handicapped student whose parents demanded a lift that would take their son up and down a stairwell (old building). The basement was a locker room and small gym. He was too disabled to use either and only rode it once. Thousands of dollars. “Special Education” is incredibly expensive. Private schools aren’t required to have it.

I have students who are “shadowed” by a single adult as they move through the day.

Only the beginning. I could go on and on. Government mandates in all areas have impacted schools greatly.


29 posted on 01/07/2012 2:51:24 PM PST by Conservateacher
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To: SeekAndFind

Teachers unions.


30 posted on 01/07/2012 2:51:50 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: BobL

My formerly homeschooled daughter is in 8th grade. She is doing well. Her art teacher recently contacted parents to tell them:

I am ......, your student’s art teacher this year. In the last weeks of the quarter your student’s are exploring graffiti in the fine arts. They have chosen a concept (Folk Epigraphy, Art, Tagging) for this project and are developing a piece of work that reflect this. Student may use any material/medium to do this project. Your students have decided to work with spray paint. Because I cannot use spray paint in school your student will be doing this project at home. It will be due on the day of the 19th.
I wanted to touch base with you to let you know this is in fact a project, and they are not buying/asking for spray paint to vandalize something :) If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
Thank you!

I cannot begin to tell you how disappointed I am at the low expectations ... and waste of time this is.


31 posted on 01/07/2012 2:56:17 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because we teach children to socialize instead of giving them independent thinking skills. Not to mention trying point them toward sexuality far too soon and confusing them about the difference between men and women. We are creating all the wrong obsessions with all the liberal propaganda.


32 posted on 01/07/2012 2:57:06 PM PST by formosa (Formosa)
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To: SeekAndFind

Teach crap, get crap for results. Any questions?


33 posted on 01/07/2012 2:58:28 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: SeekAndFind

the shols are fine

it’s the kids’ dysfunctional families that suck


34 posted on 01/07/2012 2:58:28 PM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Some of our big city school systems spend the most per capita, and have some of the worst results.

The increased spending must stop. Those urban schools will not get any better given their students' backgrounds.

Every comment here is correct. Our schools are failing due to unions, low standards, idiotic fad teaching methods, poorly-educated teachers, decreasing parental involvement and too much time spent on social indoctrination.

Not to mention that the lunches suck.

35 posted on 01/07/2012 2:58:46 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: SeekAndFind
'If America Spends More Than Most Countries Per Student,
Then Why Are Its Schools So Bad?'
Simple answer:
  1. The stats are based on the whole of the USA
  2. That means most of the Schools are in the 'Big Cities'.
  3. The 'Big Cities' are all run by Liberal (to outright Leftist) Democrats.
  4. Those Liberal (and Leftist) Democrats are all mentally ill.
  5. Their mental illness prevents them from 'living in reality'.
  6. As such their brains are all in some fantasy utopia that exists only in their sick minds.
  7. In this fantasy world there is no 'right' or 'wrong'. Everyone is equal and 'gets a trophy'.
  8. That trophy makes little Johnny, LaTisha, and Juan very happy.
  9. But the shiny trophy doesn't make them any smarter.
  10. Ergo, they all wind up, Dumber Than Dirt.
It's an easy problem to eventually correct -- get rid of the Psychotic Democrats running the 'Big Cities' and its Schools.
36 posted on 01/07/2012 2:59:08 PM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: SeekAndFind
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh! </arnoldhorshack>

Because there's little to no connection between amount of money spent and the quality of education?

37 posted on 01/07/2012 2:59:11 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: silverleaf

yes, I went to public schol

or was it skewl?


38 posted on 01/07/2012 3:00:45 PM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: BobL

You forget about “No Child Left Behind”. Even before the passage of that, school districts would get problems if the performance of white students was too much higher than the performance of minority students. Raising performance of minority students is hard. Crippling performance of white students is easier.


39 posted on 01/07/2012 3:01:11 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Chickensoup

“I cannot begin to tell you how disappointed I am at the low expectations ... and waste of time this is.”

One of my kid’s teachers, I think in 4th grade was a bird watcher. Many, many, field trips. My kid could literally name every bird in Southeast Texas. Fortunately we only used school for daycare, we took care of educating him (and the others), and he was about 6 years ahead of his grade level by then (which doesn’t mean that much, as grade levels are so watered-down now).

But I did feel sorry for the other parents, who must have felt just like you. And this was a Christian School - and believe me they’ve been brought down (at least some of them) by the demise of the public schools.


40 posted on 01/07/2012 3:02:20 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: SeekAndFind
I believe one of the reasons is that, other than a small group of students, for the vast majority there is no hunger for academic success.

Secondly, a lot of the teachers themselves are not properly qualified to teach tougher subjects like Math and Science, especially at the younger grades. They barely teach just what is necessary to get by. When these kids get into the higher grades, even if they are smart, they cannot understand what is going on because they don't have the proper foundational concepts. Then they start hating those subjects because they feel that they are hopeless them.

41 posted on 01/07/2012 3:03:47 PM PST by Moorings
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To: Farmer Dean
Here's a major reason: If a teacher can stab another teacher 16 times and there's still a possibility she can come back to the same school and teach again.

Almost a month after English teacher Ronette Ricketts was charged with stabbing fellow teacher Cynthia Glozier at least 16 times with a screwdriver at Poughkeepsie High School, city school board officials are silent on whether either teacher will return to her position and what, if any, disciplinary charges may be in store for Ricketts.
When asked Thursday whether the teachers would return to the school, Superintendent of Schools Laval Wilson of the Poughkeepsie City School District said he was unwilling to share “personnel” information on the two women.
He added, “All I can tell you is that there will be disciplinary action taken.”

42 posted on 01/07/2012 3:05:30 PM PST by Krankor ( spare time.)
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To: PapaBear3625

“You forget about “No Child Left Behind”. Even before the passage of that, school districts would get problems if the performance of white students was too much higher than the performance of minority students. Raising performance of minority students is hard. Crippling performance of white students is easier.”

I’m not sure about No Child Left Behind. I remember hearing the teachers screaming about it. About the only thing that would provoke a reaction of that level would be that they were being forced to actually teach something.

As to equal outcomes - I do have that on #7.


43 posted on 01/07/2012 3:07:58 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: All
If America Spends More Than Most Countries Per Student, Then Why Are Its Schools So Bad?

Because most of the money spent on "education", benefits the "teachers" union-parasites and the "non-educational" union-parasites in your local school districts.

44 posted on 01/07/2012 3:08:36 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Doogle
Yep, bears saying again...

Unions


45 posted on 01/07/2012 3:08:36 PM PST by MCH
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To: Krankor

Speaking of stabbing...I have a new student who stabbed a fellow student at her previous school. They just get moved from one school to another. Legal rights of course. Special Ed...moat of which are behavioral.


46 posted on 01/07/2012 3:11:12 PM PST by Conservateacher
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To: SeekAndFind

The ranking reflects the fact that spending does not substantially improve performance among large portions of the American minority student population.


47 posted on 01/07/2012 3:12:45 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Conservateacher

“Speaking of stabbing...I have a new student who stabbed a fellow student at her previous school. They just get moved from one school to another. Legal rights of course. Special Ed...moat of which are behavioral.”

Not just that, once the public schools are tired of them, they often get sent to the ‘private’ schools that are willing to take them. That’s what happened to one of the Christian schools that one of my kids went to. They started getting some real animals - but they had empty seats and needed to fill them. Needless to say, public money came with the kids.


48 posted on 01/07/2012 3:16:05 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: SeekAndFind

Toss together a healthy dose of lazy Dr. Spock parenting combined with liberal/marxist school systems and we get what we have: Lazi slobs not wanting to do anything, be anything, or be accountable for anything but wanting everything for free. That’s a typical Marxist.


49 posted on 01/07/2012 3:18:30 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Conservateacher

Wow! I’m surprised they even told you about it.


50 posted on 01/07/2012 3:24:49 PM PST by Krankor ( spare time.)
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