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Hard times for Keynesians
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | January 6, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 01/07/2012 3:02:24 PM PST by Graybeard58

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1 posted on 01/07/2012 3:02:28 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58
Given Keynes' sexual preferences, economic theory is not the only thing he got ass-backwards

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2 posted on 01/07/2012 3:09:35 PM PST by Elle Bee
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3 posted on 01/07/2012 3:13:13 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To be fair to Keynesian, the ideal according to the theory is for the government to have a cyclically balanced budget, building a budget surplus in good times to dampen inflation in good times and operating with a defecit in hard times to stimulate the economy. The obvious problem in real life is that very few politicians can resist spending a surplus to buy votes.
4 posted on 01/07/2012 3:13:21 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Graybeard58
First, the United States is one of the few nations that actually has some assets that are disposable.

We are able to maintain the strength of the dollar by NOT pledging those well known assets to back the full faith and credit of the United States. It's enough for others to know the assets are there.

As far as Keynes is concerned, he was an idiot. His theories have been fully discredited over time. It's incredible there are still those around who imagine this guy is still appropriately cited as an authority.

We live in a time when we have incredibly detailed data available about everything and everyone. Shooting shotgun shells into the side of a barn is not the sort of augury that augers well. Computer models do much better ~ and I have yet to hear of a single one that was able to do the Keynesian thing.

5 posted on 01/07/2012 3:18:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

True. Keynes never said to have continual deficit spending. Keynes said to balance the budget by running deficits in recessions, but then to pay back all that debt in the good times by running surpluses.

The USA has NOT been following Keynesian economics.

Dont blame Keynes, blame somebody else.


6 posted on 01/07/2012 3:22:49 PM PST by CGalen
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To: Elle Bee
Wow, interesting theory. Let's see if it works in other situations...

Assume libtard #1 jumps out of an airplane w/o a parachute at 2000 ft. because he read it would be OK on a libtard blog site, but hits the ground and dies on impact. Libtard #2 comes along & says the reason libtard #1 died is that he didn't jump out at a high enough altitude, and at least 10,000 ft. is necessary. Worth trying?

7 posted on 01/07/2012 3:37:58 PM PST by MCH
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“Libtard #2 comes along & says the reason libtard #1 died is that he didn’t jump out at a high enough altitude, and at least 10,000 ft. is necessary. Worth trying?”

Definitely worth trying if Libtard #2 is Krugman. I would only be too happy to assist him in jumping from the plane.


8 posted on 01/07/2012 3:54:12 PM PST by chuckee
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To: Graybeard58

They never take into account that if that much money is produced, then the result is going to be insane inflation because no one will want to work hard for the money.

Money is only worth something if the average man perceives it as having value.


9 posted on 01/07/2012 4:33:59 PM PST by dila813
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To: Graybeard58
"Hard times for Keynesians"

Not really. Those who are employed and pensioned by any of the various levels of government are robbing more from everyone else every year and getting away with it so far.


10 posted on 01/07/2012 4:48:47 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

That is what I was taught in college, too (45-50 years ago). Unfortunately, politicians are incapable of doing that. They spend in bad times and spend more in good times. They NEVER build a surplus. I don’t know if Keynes was right or wrong. However, I do know that it has never been tried.


11 posted on 01/07/2012 5:01:10 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: Elle Bee

Any person who passed boys around at homosexual orgies-—has a very twisted ugly, worldview. WHO would ever WANT to have anything to do with SUCH A twisted MIND????

Isn’t it funny/sarc. that Hollywood ADORES Keynes.....and protects those producers who raped Corey Feldmen and the other Corey and passed them around-—like Keynes????? Why isn’t Jerry Brown forcing the Attorney General to put those pederasts in prison INSTEAD of trying to normalize sodomy in the minds of 5 year olds and forcing them to celebrate a pederast like Harvey Milk??????

Jerry Brown, are you truly that EVIL and twisted in your thinking? Are you so ignorant of Freud and the latency period or are you a pederast like your Hollywood idols who portray evil sodomy as “good” and “fun” and “beautiful”????

Even Machiavelli knew Virtue was necessary for free Republics.


12 posted on 01/07/2012 5:16:06 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature=Just Law.)
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To: Graybeard58
But, then, Krugman never quotes Keynes on the topic of printing money, does he?

John Maynard Keynes observation in "The Economic Consequences of the Peace - 1920":

"Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method, they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. . . . Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. . . . (It) does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose. . . ."

13 posted on 01/07/2012 5:38:06 PM PST by loveliberty2
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14 posted on 01/07/2012 5:52:59 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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Keynes vs. Hayek
15 posted on 01/07/2012 6:01:29 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Graybeard58

Did Keynes ever think for a moment that if governments could create wealth we’d never have recessions?


16 posted on 01/07/2012 6:11:18 PM PST by jmacusa
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To: jim_trent
Keynes error was STATIC THINKING. Governments can't really build up a surplus of money ~ after all they manufacture the money. As they sock it away by reducing debt they are actually strangling the economy and creating deflation.

Then, if they borrow deflated money back to build up a debt they further strangle the economy and make deflation worse than anyone imagined it could be.

Back to the beginning of this cycle ~ there is no cycle because government not only controls the money supply, it creates the money, and it doesn't matter if it's paper, or of it's gold, it's only money if the government says it's money.

All efforts by government to manipulate money create deflation.

Keynes advice guaranteed higher and higher unemployment, lower and lower prices for products ~ so low no one could afford to make more of those products ~ and massive unemployment.

Somebody is going to ask where inflation comes from but that's a different process.

17 posted on 01/07/2012 6:26:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Graybeard58; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker

I wonder what would be more of change for me.

Seeing the world as a goldfish does or seeing the world as Paul Krugman does.


18 posted on 01/07/2012 7:01:58 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Graybeard58

The superlative of stupid is Krugman.


19 posted on 01/07/2012 7:12:10 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Graybeard58
I've never known a liberal/Democrat/radical leftist who was not a Keynesian true believer. (And I know a whole lot of lefties.)

Ask any leftie about the great depression, and they will bring up the Hoover Dam (which, ironically was planned before the great depression in the Hoover Admin). They all (all) think that New Deal WPA makework was how we emerged from the depression.

Nowadays they think that they have a more sophisticated Hoover Dam model, think green energy and high speed rail here.

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20 posted on 01/07/2012 9:08:17 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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