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U.S. Top Officer: Closing Hormuz would be Red Line
Arutz Sheva ^ | 8/1/12 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 01/08/2012 2:18:25 PM PST by Eleutheria5

Iran has the ability to temporarily block the Strait of Hormuz but the U.S. “would take action and reopen” it, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman General Martin Dempsey said Sunday, making clear to Iran that in threatening to close the straits, it is literally playing with fire. .

“They’ve invested in capabilities that could, in fact, for a period of time block the Strait of Hormuz,” Dempsey said in an interview for CBS's “Face the Nation."

“We’ve invested in capabilities to ensure that if that happens, we can defeat that.”

Blocking the strategic shipping lane linking the Gulf of Oman with the Persian Gulf would constitute a “red line” for the U.S., Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said on the same program.

He assessed that Iran is preparing groundwork for making nuclear weapons someday, but is not yet building an atomic bomb. He called for continued diplomatic and economic pressure to dissuade Tehran from taking that step.

Panetta warned that a unilateral strike by Israel against Iran’s nuclear facilities could trigger Iranian retaliation against U.S. forces in the region. “We have common cause here” with Israel, he said. “And the better approach is for us to work together.”

According to AP's analysis, Panetta’s remarks "suggest the White House’s assessment of Iran’s nuclear strategy has not changed in recent months, despite warnings from advocates of military action that time is running out to prevent Tehran from becoming a nuclear-armed state."

The Obama administration has come under attack from Republican presidential hopefuls for what they say is a soft approach to Iran.....

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bhomiddleeast; dempsey; economy; energy; girlymullahs; hormuz; iran; markets; mutthameddogofislam; persiangulf; usa; usnavy
I wonder if that carrier that's supposed to be steaming our way even has enough room to dock in the port of Eilat.

I wonder if General Dempsey has any relatives named Jack.

I wonder if anyone takes Leon Panetta seriously, including himself.

1 posted on 01/08/2012 2:18:37 PM PST by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

The question is what would it take to reopen the Strait, and would the precipitate war?


2 posted on 01/08/2012 2:29:50 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Eleutheria5
Watch out, Iran! If you don't behave, Panetta will send in the Cesar Chaves:


3 posted on 01/08/2012 2:37:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Eleutheria5; SunkenCiv
“We’ve invested in capabilities to ensure that if that happens, we can defeat that.”

AHA! Indirect, but still confirmation of our secret underground nuclear sub bases in F ghanistan.

4 posted on 01/08/2012 2:44:05 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Brilliant

Ah, don’t be like the liberals and ask the question backward. BLOCKING the strait could precipitate a war.


5 posted on 01/08/2012 2:47:54 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Eleutheria5
I have three words for Iran: Operation Praying Mantis
6 posted on 01/08/2012 2:51:50 PM PST by RC one (Scorch the earth Newt. Scorch it.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Personally, my hope would be that the USA would not act unilaterally.

I would hope that a “coalition” of Oil Importing Nations, Such as Japan, various European nations, the USA and maybe even China would be asked to impose an international force that would patrol and keep the Straits open and would establish a “demilitarized zone” around the Straits that was closed to all but Coalition of Oil Importing Nations military.

My hope for this is that if Iran decided to challenge the coalition, that we and others would have a clear reason (their violation of the demilitarized zone) to bomb and destroy all Iranian military targets on a near continuous basis and go after their command and control facilities and their leadership so as to encourage regime change in Iran.

It is time the the Iran leadership got the sword they so dearly like to rattle shoved up their *@s.

7 posted on 01/08/2012 2:56:38 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Eleutheria5

At the first moment they block the passage, gas prices go to $50 a gallon. No oil, no gas. And we refuse to drill here because a bunch of liberal commie so called scientists say we will destroy some dirt.


8 posted on 01/08/2012 3:06:44 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: Eleutheria5

9 posted on 01/08/2012 3:08:27 PM PST by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: Eleutheria5

The strait is too narrow—we should bomb hell out of the eastern shores until there is more room—say an extra 800 miles...

...just for the safety of international navigation of course.


10 posted on 01/08/2012 3:12:08 PM PST by Happy Rain ("The GOP establishment BELIEVE conservatives can't win--Liberals KNOW conservatives win.")
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To: Brilliant

The Iranian leaders know that the American military will be too busy arresting and detaining American citizens.

A war has never been averted from a position of weakness.


11 posted on 01/08/2012 3:13:27 PM PST by Know et al (The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Eilat is an ideal port to dock submarines as well, but I hear limited infrastructure for repair, and hope it will be upgraded. Submarines to operate from Eilat will allow Israel to strike Iran from the south.


12 posted on 01/08/2012 3:15:43 PM PST by Wiz
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To: Happy Rain

General dynamics is fast tracking nuclear prowered dredging platforms for just that event.


13 posted on 01/08/2012 3:18:21 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: RetiredArmy
My understanding is that we get about 600 thousand barrels a day through the Strait of Hormuz. The price pressure we would see would be as European and Asian customers begin soliciting our supply sources to replace their halted shipments.

Of course, the price will blip based on the emotions, but that won't last... unless the Iranians are capable of doing a better job of jamming things up than anticipated.

Here is the latest data that I could find:

USA Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries) (Thousand Barrels per Day)
14 posted on 01/08/2012 3:24:05 PM PST by Ron/GA
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To: Brilliant

That’s no question. It would take a war to reopen the straight. Period.


15 posted on 01/08/2012 3:46:50 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Panetta warned that a unilateral strike by Israel against Iran’s nuclear facilities

Won't happen as long as Odumbo is in the white house.

16 posted on 01/08/2012 4:04:31 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: RC one

We only sunk 1 FFG, 1 PTG, and 3 PBs in Preying Mantis.

The 8 hours war was not significant enough to be a deterant...


17 posted on 01/08/2012 4:07:37 PM PST by DJ Elliott (Montrose Toast Blog)
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To: DJ Elliott

There was a You Tube clip that I loved... An American Skipper on a DD.. says on the hailing freq “Iranian Warship ! Heave to for I intend to sink YOU”


18 posted on 01/08/2012 4:13:20 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: leapfrog0202



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19 posted on 01/08/2012 4:13:57 PM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Robert357

Spain, France, Italy and India can all put aircraft carriers on station; let them do so.


20 posted on 01/08/2012 4:23:21 PM PST by MSF BU
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To: Eleutheria5
Oil exports provide half of Irans’s government revenue.

While closing the Strait of Hormuz, even briefly, would hurt Saudi Arabia, Iraq and other Gulf oil exporters, the Saudis also ship oil via the Red Sea.

All of Iran’s exports and many of its imports of gasoline, food and consumer goods are shipped through the strait.

So, shut down the Strait of Hormuz and Iran has no money, no gas, no jet fuel, no diesel fuel, no food and no goods coming in.

Hummmm...

Iran also pizzes off all of it's OPEC neighbors for causing such an inconvenience.

Again, hummm...

Aside from a temporary bump in gas and oil (no, I don't believe that $150.00 bbl much less the 200.00 bbl crap) it is difficult to see the downside here.

If Iran really believes that is the way to go, the United States Navy is going to push a few buttons, launch a few aircraft and a significant portion of Iran's Navy will go the way of a fart in a hot tub. Gross and smelly for a few seconds, then things go back to normal.

The Kilo's might take a day or two longer...

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21 posted on 01/08/2012 4:25:53 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Ron/GA

We or somebody else could easily destroy their sole oil refinery. That will send gas prices soaring in the winter time. Take out some power generation and desalination facilities and you’d have an Iran that is suffering.


22 posted on 01/08/2012 4:28:39 PM PST by MSF BU
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To: Eleutheria5

How about drilling for our own oil?


23 posted on 01/08/2012 4:29:44 PM PST by InvisibleChurch ( go in peace , serve the Lord)
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To: InvisibleChurch

No, that would hurt the carribou, who thrive thanks to the pipeline. And the Indians in Alaska would get upset, except for the ones who would benefit, and it would make too much strategic sense, so La Obamba will have none of it.


24 posted on 01/08/2012 4:32:56 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Cicero

I ahve been trying to down load an article posted about a week ago regarding secret work at a plant in CT and in remarks included pictures of a spy space camera system used to take pictures of USSR. I was involved militarily in operating this device in the early 70s. I would like to down load these pictures for my diary. Any help will be apprecated


25 posted on 01/08/2012 4:33:50 PM PST by spookie
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To: Cicero

I ahve been trying to down load an article posted about a week ago regarding secret work at a plant in CT and in remarks included pictures of a spy space camera system used to take pictures of USSR. I was involved militarily in operating this device in the early 70s. I would like to down load these pictures for my diary. Any help will be apprecated


26 posted on 01/08/2012 4:33:50 PM PST by spookie
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To: Cicero

I ahve been trying to down load an article posted about a week ago regarding secret work at a plant in CT and in remarks included pictures of a spy space camera system used to take pictures of USSR. I was involved militarily in operating this device in the early 70s. I would like to down load these pictures for my diary. Any help will be apprecated


27 posted on 01/08/2012 4:34:00 PM PST by spookie
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To: TLI

Iran can make just about all of that at home, and already does make most of it.


28 posted on 01/08/2012 4:34:45 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Eleutheria5

i remember clinton using the excuse that it would take ten years to get domestic oil production up to what we need to make the mideast irrelevant


29 posted on 01/08/2012 5:05:03 PM PST by InvisibleChurch ( go in peace , serve the Lord)
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To: spookie

I remembered the discussion of the launching of that ship the other day, so I just did a google search for a photo.

If it’s no longer secret, you might try using google or another search engine to find the information in question, putting in a few relevant words such as the name of the plant or the town. I don’t know if you’d come up with anything or not, but it’s about all I can suggest. Try different words, or shuffling them around. There’s not much stuff directly from the early 70s, but it might be in some sort of historical summary. Or you might find their website if they’re still in business.


30 posted on 01/08/2012 5:19:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Eleutheria5
Iran can make just about all of that at home, and already does make most of it.

Betcha they can't make new friends from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, UAE and Kuwait at home.

We can sink a few of their boats but an attempt on their part to close the Strait will cause "issues" with the neighbors.

We, on the other hand, will once again be the "good guys" by restoring cash flow and business as usual. .

31 posted on 01/08/2012 5:21:56 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: DJ Elliott

because we chose to show mercy.


32 posted on 01/08/2012 5:27:29 PM PST by RC one (Scorch the earth Newt. Scorch it.)
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To: MSF BU

And then drop in crates of small arms and a few SO “advisors. This will take care of itself pretty darned quick. And then we will see oil drop 35% in a month. That would be a big plus for the economy.

Then all we need to do is zap that idiot down south with a few more gamma rays and all will be right in the oil world.


33 posted on 01/08/2012 9:40:40 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: TLI

Quite true. After the long, hard slog of not just defeating Iran, but stopping their export of terror and threats to shipping, the US will be the good guys and loudly cheered throughout the Persian Gulf, from Saudi Arabia to the newly liberated Iran, and this being the Middle East, that good will might last a few years, until they notice that Israel is still around, outperforming them economically despite their oil wealth, refusing to be dhimmes, and thereby causing them to lose face. Then they’ll start remembering the pore palis again, and press reset.


34 posted on 01/08/2012 11:30:27 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

OK. Those would be ten years well spent. What an idiotic argument. Was that made by Hill, Bill, or both?


35 posted on 01/08/2012 11:31:49 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: RC one

Because we didn’t want Iran partitioned between US/USSR/Iraq and possibly WWIII starting there.

RR may have joked about WWIII but, he was carefull not to let things get out of hand.

The unofficial agreement with the USSR from 1979 on was that if we went to war with Iran they would re-occupy the north while we took the south. We did not want the USSR to have a border with their treaty ally Iraq - that would have put the USSR in position to take the entire GCC.

Mercy had nothing to do with it...


36 posted on 01/08/2012 11:56:33 PM PST by DJ Elliott (Montrose Toast Blog)
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To: TLI

Nit: There is an export pipeline thru Turkey.

But, yes most of it is piped to ships at Kharg Island and then out thru the SoH.

Given Turkey’s position in NATO, that would probably also close. Turks and Iranians are in competition for domination of the region.


37 posted on 01/09/2012 12:05:25 AM PST by DJ Elliott (Montrose Toast Blog)
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To: Eleutheria5

Bill


38 posted on 01/09/2012 4:19:32 AM PST by InvisibleChurch ( go in peace , serve the Lord)
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To: MSF BU

The can but they won’t. They will let us bear the brunt of any heavy lifting like most times.


39 posted on 01/09/2012 9:55:13 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Vermont Lt

I don’t know enough about the rest of it. I DO know that they basically have one facility that produces gasoline and their desalination plants are concentrated. If the refinery is taken out along with a few water plants (cogeneration electric actually) then they start hurting real bad real quick. I think highly of our SF guys but have no clue how quickly Iran would fall to revolution.


40 posted on 01/09/2012 4:27:41 PM PST by MSF BU
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