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Ann Coulter, I Am More of a Catholic than a Conservative, Just Like Rick Santorum
Catholic Online ^ | 1/9/12 | Keith A. Fournier

Posted on 01/09/2012 7:54:11 PM PST by tcg

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To: vette6387

Ann Coulter is not a Catholic, and has never identified herself as a Catholic. Her father was a Catholic, her mother was protestant and she was raised protestant. She says she’s a “Christian” and leaves it at that. Catholics are proud to be called Catholic.

Ann Coulter is a blowhard RINO. Nothing more.


51 posted on 01/09/2012 9:54:36 PM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: JAKraig

“And just where does this responsibility come from?”

To love our neighbour as ourselves.

“I think not, we are responsibile to give everyone an equal OPPORTUNITY not outcome.”

Agreed. But we are still called to do what we can for those who are less fortunate. We cannot pass off on the government and excuse ourselves for not taking action. No, we must take actions ourselves.

It is not charity to steal from our neighbours to provide for the poor.

“I spoke for myself, I give until it hurts, I think we all should but I do not believe we should force anyone who disagrees with us to give against his will for the support of others.”

Agreed wholeheartedly. I don’t see what is to be accomplished by casting aspersions on one another for not giving enough. I cannot speak for what others give, I can only speak for myself.

“The Catholic church teaches that societies who can should support the poor.”

The argument is not whether they should, but the argument is over how. What is the best way to provide for the poor? Through individual charity. Yes, the Church teaches this. You are incorrect here. The Church teaches that charity must be voluntarly - not the result of forced confiscation through taxation.

“Santorum and most Republicans believe in a safety net”

There you go again. Santorum has explicitly said that he rejects the argument that entitlements are immune to cuts and reforms. He has argued that the best way out of poverty is to get a job, and provide a regulatory climate that fosters job growth. He knows that you cannot have a sane fiscal balance without cutting entitlements.

“What is the difference between safety net and welfare?”

Depends on how the net is formed. If one contributes into a plan and withdraws based on said contribution, then that is not welfar is it? However, the individual would be better off investing that money privately.

“It is all wrong. It sounds nice but you are still stealing from one person and giving his labor or results of it to someone who didn’t earn it.”

Again, it depends on the program. Someone can pay into a plan in gross excess to what he withdraws.

“Government welfare is the opposite of charity.”

Well said.

Peace and blessings to you.


52 posted on 01/09/2012 10:24:53 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: Apollo5600

Dull, Newbie, Dull??? REALLY???? Why, because he’s a CHRISTIAN?? No SCANDAL??? SERIOUS??? HARD WORKING??? Father of 8?? Dull, Newbie?? I don’t think so. He’s what we USED to be all about before the GAY AGENDA.


53 posted on 01/09/2012 10:29:35 PM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Palladin

Ann’spossessed by the spiirit of her best friend, Bill Maher!!! How can ANYONE be friends with that VILE, EVIL Maher?? Ann, we hardly knew ya.


54 posted on 01/09/2012 10:31:47 PM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: JAKraig

As your fellow Catholic, I would like to add something supportive to your post. When the government taxes its citizens too heavily, it takes from them the ability to be charitable towards others in proportion to the amount that it is taking by taxation. Each of us must meet basic expenses of ourselves and our families. If, after that and the tax burden, there is little left, we cannot be very charitable individually. That politicians decide to spend our money for us on causes, however worthy, is not to our respective moral credit, even if we were to vote for the politicians that behave that way. God bless you and yours!


55 posted on 01/09/2012 10:41:25 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: ansel12
Twenty years of running for office, and only ashes and destruction to show for it.

Just like the Republican Party.

Which is why we keep getting our butts kicked by liberals, and the socialists are winning in this country. The liberals have been OK with winning just a little bit at a time, and making incremental change. Little by little, they are winning the game. Conservatives tend to want it all or nothing. Nothing, so far, has been the take. Yay team.

56 posted on 01/09/2012 11:02:37 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“Seriously ... WTH has happened to Ann?!?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkwD261MHsc


57 posted on 01/09/2012 11:11:32 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: tcg
Ann Coulter needs to read the Beatitutdes again and again and again.
58 posted on 01/09/2012 11:13:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ramius

No not like the Republicans, the party that Romney turned against when Reagan was elected, Republicans just had a historic victory in 2010, due to the tea party and Palin.

We now need to stop Romney, the liberal, the socialist, anti-conservative, the father of Romney/Obama care and “gay marriage” etc., no sense in giving the leadership of the Republican party to the left.


59 posted on 01/09/2012 11:17:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: tcg
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are Those Who Are Persecuted for Righteousness’ Sake
Learning the beatitudes during Lent -- use your Rosary to learn the Beatitutdes [Catholic Caucus]
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are the Peacemakers [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are the Pure in Heart
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are the Merciful
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are Those Who Hunger and Thirst for Righteousness
The Beatitudes: Blessed are the Meek

The Beatitudes: Blessed Are Those Who Mourn
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are the Poor in Spirit
The Beatitudes
Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 8 Beatitudes
The Beatitudes: Generosity and Happiness
Beatitudes by Bishop Fulton Sheen
Happiness of Sacrifice
The Danger of Spiritual Sloth [Reflection on The Beatitudes]
Satan's version of the sermon on the mount [Difficult read]
The Eight Beatitudes


60 posted on 01/09/2012 11:19:04 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: vette6387
the Catholic church position

You most likely have no clue as to what the actual teaching of the Church is as opposed to prudential statements made by members of the clergy.

61 posted on 01/09/2012 11:27:48 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Yossarian

Good argument so far as it goes. But there are parts, and this is one of them, where the CCC is ridiculously underthought and overwritten..Are only “prosperous” nations “obliged” to accommodate immigrants? And how is persecution, never even mentioned as an excuse for exodus, superceded (much less replaced) by “security” and “means of livelihood? Where are security and means of livelihood defined? How is ANYone obliged to “respect” anything or anyone? Deference may be demanded, but respect is earned. Never mind that “respecting,” say, Islam’s “spiritual heritage” is hardly the aim of Catholicism.

But, even if the wording were less 60s-constructed, we’d still be left with the same unenforceable dicta as the beatitudes. Good advice it may be, but it’s nonbinding, only partially because Christ never preached social justice.


62 posted on 01/09/2012 11:30:29 PM PST by Mach9
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To: tcg

The US isn’t experiencing a demographic winter.

But Santorum’s tripling of the exemption for children guts the income tax of the usual income incentives for people to work harder: it increases the tax burden on those without dependents, and for those with dependents, it too cuts the association with actual income earned.

Just an all around bad policy. (But great if, like Santorum, you have seven kids.)


63 posted on 01/09/2012 11:36:19 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: tennmountainman

Sorry, don’t get that vibe at all. Take a chill pill.


64 posted on 01/09/2012 11:39:59 PM PST by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: 9YearLurker

The child tax-credit is to society’s benefit. Santorem’s seven will be paying more in taxes (specifically Social Security) than Zero’s two, and that’s just how it is. It’s exactly the same argument DINCs use when they don’t want increased public-school taxation: “We don’t have kids, so why should we have to pay school taxes?” True, but they do have houses which, so the argument goes, gain in value with the purportedly better schools. (And NO, I’m not saying that taxes improve public schools, nor that ANYone should be paying taxes for public schools; but that’s the way things exist today.)


65 posted on 01/09/2012 11:46:25 PM PST by Mach9
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To: Mach9

No, it’s not the same argument. People don’t pay more in property taxes in correlation with the harder they work to make money. Santorum’s scheme does create that effect.

And how does the argument that paying more local property taxes to supposedly boost the quality of local schools and thus property values apply here? It’s a bogus argument for its own sake—school SAT scores are increased by having more smart parents and hence kids in town, not by more school spending—but it absolutely doesn’t apply when talking about a federal income tax.


66 posted on 01/09/2012 11:59:55 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: tcg
While I am a Catholic and have a generally favorable opinion of Santorum, I share some of Ann Coulter’s skepticism of Santorum and of Catholic Church.

Catholic Church (as far as its officials - US Bishops) has for most of the 20th century been a leftist organization. Without US Catholic bishops, we would not have the welfare state, crushing debt, out of control immigration.

Also, let's not forget the support of US Catholic Bishops for Nuclear Freeze movement (in order to derail Ronald Reagan).

The support of these leftist positions has nearly destroyed Catholic Church. Catholic bishops have endorsed expansion of government into areas traditionally performed by Catholic Church (charity, education, health care), can be viewed by a rational observer as noting short of a suicidal.

There has been some change lately in the “right” direction, but it may prove to be too little too late.

As far as Santorum, he is a decent individual. But if people of Tea Party persuasion think Santorum is the right person to carry their banner, they are fooling themselves.

The US needs drastic, painful cuts to avoid Greek tragedy (Greece today is only a preview of what is to come). Which candidates have what it takes to cut government down to sane size? I think Perry and Paul do. Gingrich probably as well. I have serious doubts about Santorum and Romney.

67 posted on 01/10/2012 12:25:49 AM PST by joe212
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To: tcg

Ann “man neck” Coulture is nothing but a shill for the leftist republican elete’s.

As far as I’m concerned she has mislead conservtives for years to get book sales up.


68 posted on 01/10/2012 3:19:31 AM PST by stockpirate (Romney and Ann Coulture are Big Government socialists, just like other republican elites.)
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To: tcg
Per this Election; do not care about Coulter's disguised analysis. She is now; simply one of the noxious - and arrogant - Repub 'insiders'; whose hypocrisy betrays her. Ann insults all; who do not support Mitt - and by a hundred different cuts - and savors her moments. When she shows up at 'Fox News' - as she too often does - I go elsewhere.

When you hear her criticize Newt as unelectable; for the same brash/bold 'qualities' that captivated Ann in the name of Chris Christie; she just totally slips in it. . .

69 posted on 01/10/2012 3:24:42 AM PST by cricket ('Obama kingdom' must go. Restore our White House - and Country - to legitimacy - and vote 'Newt'.)
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To: tcg
I think it's impossible to be a real Roman Catholic and not be conservative. For that matter, it's impossible to be a Christian if you don't believe in the depravity of man (original sin), the sanctity of life, the evil of covetousness and the sovereignty of the Holy, True and Triune God, and hope in the salvation of Jesus Christ alone.

Romney is not at all, a conservative.

70 posted on 01/10/2012 3:34:49 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"What I mean by that, is that I want to be considered a serious, thoughtful, kind, person."

Which, unfortunately, is precisely the opposite of what will be needed to beat Obama. For that, we need someone who is serious, thoughtful, and vicious to his political opponents. In other words, Newt Gingrich.

71 posted on 01/10/2012 5:27:45 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"What I mean by that, is that I want to be considered a serious, thoughtful, kind, person."

Which, unfortunately, is precisely the opposite of what will be needed to beat Obama. For that, we need someone who is serious, thoughtful, and vicious to his political opponents. In other words, Newt Gingrich.

72 posted on 01/10/2012 5:28:05 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: 9YearLurker

I’m not talking about the similarity of the taxes but of the similarity of the argument: why should “I” pay more than, or the same amount as, the taxes of someone with a larger family? The argument in each case assures or protects long-term general welfare—one of a nation, the other of a school district.


73 posted on 01/10/2012 6:30:23 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Mach9

People already pay more taxes than those with families, but Santorum’s plan would significantly lessen incentives for work for approximately half the population.

That’s not good economic policy aside from any ‘fairness’ argument. And tere’s more evidence by far of tax policy influencing economic behavior than family formation—just look at the experience in Europe.


74 posted on 01/10/2012 6:47:01 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: tcg

Being Catholic and conservative I’d say the main difference is capitol punishment. This is not a trivial matter but the one divergence is pretty small when compared to the differences with liberal philosophies which are quite numerous.

I like to point out that a recent survey of religious affiliation on Freerepublic showed that Catholics are by far the largest faith of your fellow FREEPERS.


75 posted on 01/10/2012 8:48:24 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: BlackElk
That politicians decide to spend our money for us on causes, however worthy, is not to our respective moral credit, even if we were to vote for the politicians that behave that way. God bless you and yours!

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Well said!

I think many in our society don't understand that and think that their forced confiscation, tax contributions equals charity. Government entitlements, welfare if you will, is not charity. Charity is when you leave a bag of groceries on someones doorstep and walk away, charity is when you send a gift card in the mail and don't include a note with your name on it. Charity is what you give to the Church so they can help others.

As a child I saw Robin Hood as a hero. Robbing from the rich to give the the poor who didn't earn it is not charity it is stealing and receiving stolen goods. It is a sin. For some reason we put the stamp of government on it and then say it is not a sin because we all do it together. If we make a law that says we must all commit adultery and then obey the law it is still sin. Paying our taxes and standing by watching the helpless unborn being murdered with our tax dollars is sin unless we do all we can to stop it. Supporting children having children is a sin, but the government says it is good. What the government says has nothing to do with what is right or wrong.

Now for Rick Santorumn. I will vote for him in the primary if he is still in when it gets to my state. As I have said before he is the best of what is left, but, he does support welfare. He does support it to a lessor degree than Democrats. He wants to cut Social Security. Social Security recipients paid into the ponzi scheme and those who have not yet collected will likely get riped off.

Personally I am glad our society takes care of those that cannot take care of themselves. My gladness however does not make it right. People who can not take care of themselves should rely on charity or the goodness of people to take care of them. Then they would be grateful for what they got and the giver would feel good for giving. As it is the recipient thinks it is owed to him and the giver resents his gift because it is not a gift but a burden of a heavy handed society.

Rick Santorum actually worked to decrease Welfare, that is a good thing. I wish however we could get rid of this idea that poor people are entitled to the rewards of other peoples labor whether it be a little or a lot, that is either slavery or indentured servitude.

I am not against taxes, even high taxes if they are needed to defend the country. I am simply against robbing from the producers and giving to the non-producers. When I was a young man defense accounted for 70% of the federal budget. There was no welfare. When I was young everyone supported themselves. Some people that were lazy or incompetent paid the price by living in poorer conditions than those who worked hard or got an education and did jobs that others couldn't do. Now our society feels that it isn't fair that the uneducated should not have to pay the price for their failure to educate themselves and take from those who did. I resent it. I don't resent charity and give generously to many charities and my church but nobody makes me do that.

76 posted on 01/10/2012 9:46:11 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

What you post is all well and good but for today’s poor most ‘fellow men’ doesn’t give a crap. As they say ‘we’re not a Christian country’ but maybe a tax deduction would be persuasive.


77 posted on 01/10/2012 9:59:05 AM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: joe212

I know exactly what you’re talking about. Things *have* improved, but there are still plenty of libs/”moderates” in the USCC. But election-wise, there is good news: when Santorum is clearly understood, i.e., his across the board program is considered in totallity, he is seen as being congruent with Catholicism (and the CCC) as it is meant to be understood in truth.

Please re read this thread’s article. It presents the balance and reasonableness of Santorum’s vision, and how it is informed by the balance and reasonableness of Catholic teaching. When I read it, everything clicked regarding the attitude, focus, spirit, and application of Catholic social teaching. I said to myself, “THIS is what it should be!”

One of Santorum’s themes is the dignity of work and providing people with opportunities for them to stand on their own feet in freedom, rather than being enslaved in dependency on the government. With the exception of individual Bishops, the USCC wants the government to take care of “the poor,” preferably “undocumented immigrants.” (That’s “illegal aliens” for you in Rio Linda. lol) OTOH, Santorum is against amnesty and for a border fence. In his blog, Archbishop Dolan basically called conservatives “Know Nothings,” and said he agreed with the very liberal Cardinal Mahoney regarding “immigration.” In another entry, Dolan said that Americans are selfish gas guzzlers; Santorum wants to “drill, baby, drill.” The comparisons go on and on.

The last visionary conservative we had was Ronald Reagan - I’m waiting to see if the USCC will castigate Santorum. I’d be surprised if they don’t.


78 posted on 01/10/2012 11:19:54 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Capitol punishment IS NOT a defined doctrine, but the libs and MSM act like it is.

Bl. John Paul II wrote that given the advancement of civilization, and well as the penal system, capitol punishment should not be neccessary in order to protect society. However, he stopped short of declaring a doctrine. And those are the facts.


79 posted on 01/10/2012 11:41:56 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: tcg

Coulter not being totally Catholic helps to explain why she is not totally conservative.

Fournier seems to say that conservatives don’t care enough about the poor and cites it as a reason he is only reluctantly a conservative or republican. That is wrong for two reasons. First, there are no real poor people in America. The vast majority of people who ever lived would be stunned by the opulence in which “poor” Americans live in. Secondly, free markets, which conservatives champion, are the best cure for poverty.


80 posted on 01/10/2012 11:56:46 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: JAKraig
Rick Santorum actually worked to decrease Welfare, that is a good thing. I wish however we could get rid of this idea that poor people are entitled to the rewards of other peoples labor whether it be a little or a lot, that is either slavery or indentured servitude.

Actually, he agrees with you that it's slavery. I've been watching a lot of online videos and I see and hear what comes out of his mouth, as well as the context.

81 posted on 01/10/2012 11:56:56 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Ann Archy

So far as I know, every candidate expresses the exact same thing. The dullness is that he lacks charisma, and has no real ideas that aren’t being offered by every other candidate, and even pulls short compared to the others.

The rhetoric and the surface level stuff might impress you, but it’ll be the death of the party if we keep putting up with people who sound the way we want them to sound but can’t produce significant results that will pull us out of this death spiral we’ve been in.


82 posted on 01/10/2012 2:36:25 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Ann Archy

To summarize, his image and his conservative talking points is all he has, and even that is delivered in a way that is utterly dull. His platform and his record aren’t exciting or bold in any kind of way. Cain was bold, even Newt and Perry’s flat taxes are bold (though not as bold as Cain’s), as well as many of their other ideas; Santorum’s is the same stuff we always hear, every time we have a Republican nomination process.


83 posted on 01/10/2012 2:40:26 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: tcg

FUAC!


84 posted on 01/11/2012 11:22:30 PM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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