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Posted on 01/10/2012 9:24:13 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
"A nation without borders is no nation at all. After decades of misguided policies America has now become a free-for-all. Our leaders betrayed the middle class which is forced to compete with welfare-receiving illegal immigrants who will work for almost anything, just because the standards in their home countries are even lower.
If these policies are not reversed, the future is grim. A poor, dependent and divided population is much easier to rule than a nation of self-confident individuals who can make a living on their own and who share the traditions and values that this country was founded upon.
It is not altogether baffling. Ron Paul appeals to people who would like for the government, especially the federal government, to stay out of their business.
I think people need to be responsible for their own behavior and the consequences thereof. I think family and church are the foundations of moral decision-making. I don’t think the government’s definition of legal and illegal are the same as Christ’s definitions of right and wrong, and I don’t think they need to be. The government should be less intrusive than the Holy Spirit.
What exactly does hemp powder have to do with national security?
There's a large quadrant here at FR that supports open borders? Name three.
Nothing exposes the hypocricy of libertarianism like RoPaul.
What is the "hypocricy of libertarianism" that Paul exposes?
First you can’t reference Hanao Jane without a -spit-, second Pauls’ non-interventionist foreign policy is a conservative foreign policy. It’s the neocons with there war war war foreign policy that is out of step with conservatism and the American people.
Good definition of conservatism and founding principles. That is why Ron Paul bashers can't put together any coherent objections, just spewing lies and hatred.
Yes indeed. As for Ron Paul himself, he has some great ideas, especially concerning the Constitution, the Fed, and the overextention of US power abroad.
But he has some bad, almost dangerous, ideas as well.
Bruce Lee was once asked what his style of martial arts his was. Lee replied that he had no one style, he took the best from all.
I wish that we conservatives could do the same. Embrace the best of what Paul has to say. Reject the rest.
I would guess that national security does not mean much of anything to someone who is on dope.
Cliff belongs to a different generation!
What does hemp powder have to do with dope?
Yes, I understand. The problem is that the people that Cliff exposes want the government to leave them alone for all the wrong reasons.
See post 29!
Perhaps it is better to say that many of the anarchist radicals all for Ron Paul are only ‘conservative’ when it comes to their libertarian immoral lifestyles. An absolute libertarianism is an impossible political/religious position in a broken down, immoral world full of vices. Many of the reasons why we do indeed have a huge government these days is precisely because so many people have abused their liberties which the American Constitution originally gave them.
Post 29 doesn’t tell me what hemp powder has to do with either illegal drugs OR national security.
Here’s a tip. When you reply to a poster here on FR try to have a point. It makes things much more interesting for the readers.
Thanks.
Anything “absolute” is impossible. Let’s talk about facts, not rumors or abstract categories: which of Ron Paul’s values or policies come in conflict with classic conservatism? Please leave “moonbat”, “braindead dopers” and the like comments for the juveniles, let’s play adults here.
Ron Paul tries to set forth a perfectly consistent libertarian view across the board - hence his idealism, isolationism and abstractness is very apparent. While his constitutional economic ideas sound great, he gets himself in deep water when it comes to national security issues like Israel, Iran and the Middle East, and ... the issue of legalizing drugs. Staying out of everyone’s business all the time is simply a radical, impossible political ideal in a world full of thugs, mafia clans, terroritsts, communists, druggies, etc. His politics will be just as useless as the politcs we have now, perhaps even worse.
He says that if Congress declares a war, he will fight it with vigor, and I believe him.
I thought that the president was supposed to be the commander in chief?
By fight it with vigor, I mean exercise the office of Commander in Chief with vigor. Somewhere in the middle of this rap video, the subject is addressed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IEd7F5wBrqI
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