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Never has a winner looked so beaten (Mitt)
New York Post ^ | January 11, 2012 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 01/11/2012 7:10:01 AM PST by greyfoxx39

Edited on 01/11/2012 7:15:18 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Perplexing but true: Mitt Romney is on the glide path to the most easily secured nomination a Republican presidential candidate has ever had while being one of the weakest major candidates either party has ever seen.

Paul will certainly stay in it with Romney all the way. Somebody has to. And that is not good news for the Republican Party, which will have to reckon with possibly ill-behaved Paul delegates at the convention in Tampa in August delegates who might heckle Romney from the floor and otherwise disrupt his coronation.


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"And because every other plausible major candidate refused to run in 2011, Romney has been the only serious candidate in the race."

WHAT "serious" candates? Palin is the only one I can think of.

Podhoretz is another so-called "conservative" pundit who has been in the tank for Romney.

1 posted on 01/11/2012 7:10:07 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

Palin wasn’t and isn’t “IN THE RACE”.


2 posted on 01/11/2012 7:12:16 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: greyfoxx39

Santorum is a serious candidate.

No real conservative would doubt this.


3 posted on 01/11/2012 7:12:34 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: reasonisfaith

What is your definition of “serious”?


4 posted on 01/11/2012 7:18:15 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: reasonisfaith

agree and yes serious means a proper conservative, socially and fiscal not some half baked republican who is liberal on social issues which have infiltrated the GOP.


5 posted on 01/11/2012 7:20:26 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Willard is his father’s son...a go-along, get along “moderate,” who wants to be liked by all. Even the union bosses could get along fine with his dad, as they plundered the auto companies in Detroit.

Willard will lose because conservatives will stay home this election. Let Obama run the Democrat Party into oblivion. Maybe by 2016 even the RINOs will have had enough, and we can have another Carter/Reagan election.


6 posted on 01/11/2012 7:20:48 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: greyfoxx39
WHAT "serious" candates? Palin is the only one I can think of.

Palin is only the most obvious. Jim DeMint could have made a serious run but didn't. Of the 29 sitting GOP governors only one jumped into the race.
7 posted on 01/11/2012 7:22:10 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Last night was the high point of flake Ron Paul. He was polling well in Iowa and NH and was supposed to finish second. No so in South Carolina or Florida. I think he’s at 5% the last time I looked at SC polling. Ron Paul is not a threat to anyone. His weirdo supporters would rather burn in hell than to support anyone else, so he’s a non-factor.


8 posted on 01/11/2012 7:22:38 AM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy; greyfoxx39
Never forget!

Next for GOP leaders: Stopping Sarah Palin

9 posted on 01/11/2012 7:24:47 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: greyfoxx39
"And that is not good news for the Republican Party, which will have to reckon with possibly ill-behaved Paul delegates at the convention in Tampa in August — delegates who might heckle Romney from the floor and otherwise disrupt his coronation."

Puerile speculation. In other words, not gonna happen. Paul has already made it clear he's not going to embarass Rand and taint Rand's political future.

10 posted on 01/11/2012 7:28:02 AM PST by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: greyfoxx39

“..the most easily secured nomination a Republican presidential candidate has ever had”

Bull. First, there have only been two open primaries in small states where liberals can come over to cast stink votes for a weak RINO and a lying anti-US defense, anti-US Constitution, crackpot. Second, it is still open whether Romney even won Iowa, and the fact that it was a tie anyway makes that “win” really weak.

The race is going to begin when we get to bigger primaries with registered GOP only and hopefully the conservatives get together to agree on one candidate so the conservative majority stop splitting the vote.

Iowa and New Hampshire should be a distant insignificant memories soon.


11 posted on 01/11/2012 7:28:34 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: txrefugee

“Willard will lose because conservatives will stay home this election.”

If Hussein weren’t the President from hell who fully intends to destroy our country, this may be true.
But in the end, I think many Conservatives will hold their nose and vote for Mitt if he is the candidate.

In another election, your statement might be true. But there is too much at stake this time around.
We know the danger of another four years of the regime. The question will be whether the drones figure it out in time.


12 posted on 01/11/2012 7:28:47 AM PST by Mountain Mary (Awaken Oh America...)
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To: StAnDeliver

“ill-behaved Paul delegates”.

Paul won’t have control over the crazies that support him. They will be more well behaved at the Convention but the loons who support their head loon will have trouble putting a lid on it.

Rand has already embarrassed himself by supporting his father. He should have detached.


13 posted on 01/11/2012 7:32:20 AM PST by Mountain Mary (Awaken Oh America...)
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To: greyfoxx39

And a 3 term governor of a state that is the 13th largest in the world, a state that has a balanced budget, that has lowered the number of government workers and is the triving job generating engine of this country...is not a serious candidate? LOL


14 posted on 01/11/2012 7:32:47 AM PST by McGavin999 ("If you'll have my back when I go to Washington, I'll have yours" Rick Perry 2012)
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To: greyfoxx39
Romney's comments that "He loves to be in a postion to fire people" is not going to play well in the general election that will be about jobs and the economy.

If Romney is the GOP candidate, Obama will win the election.

15 posted on 01/11/2012 7:33:41 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Mountain Mary

If Romney is the nominee BHO will win and America loses.
If Romney is the winner, America still loses, he is no different politically and has already stated he WANTS to work with democrats.
Either one of these guys America is screwed.


16 posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:29 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: GonzoGOP
Palin is only the most obvious. Jim DeMint could have made a serious run but didn't. Of the 29 sitting GOP governors only one jumped into the race.

Jim Thune and Haley Barbour were two I would have liked to have seen throw their hats in the ring.

Mitt Romney's money scared away a lot of qualified candidates. Even with 24/7 fundraising, these candidates would be at a large financial disadvantage against someone who is willing to spend so much of his personal fortune.

17 posted on 01/11/2012 7:37:47 AM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: greyfoxx39

18 posted on 01/11/2012 7:37:58 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Romney is Obama.)
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To: Mountain Mary

From your fingers to God’s ears.


19 posted on 01/11/2012 7:38:17 AM PST by mk2000
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To: greyfoxx39

Prolly talking about Christie as the other “major candidate.”


20 posted on 01/11/2012 7:39:27 AM PST by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: Mountain Mary

Karl is that you? Just joking...but that is the exactly what Rove and the rest of RINO establishment is counting on.

Not me. I won’t compromise and vote for light socialism under the GOP banner.


21 posted on 01/11/2012 7:40:37 AM PST by vmivol00
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To: StAnDeliver
Puerile speculation. In other words, not gonna happen. Paul has already made it clear he's not going to embarass Rand and taint Rand's political future.

It may have been too early for Rand Paul this election cycle but he is the best candidate out there. His quote that won me over is this one.

"The Democrats want to cut nothing and the Republicans want to cut next to nothing. Neither of them understand the extent of the problem."

What bothers me is all the people on FR taking a shot at Ron Paul when he is the only one I have heard call for making significant cuts to the budget. I believe he said $1 trillion the first year.

For me, there is no more important issue than getting the nation's finances in order and cutting $1 trillion is a good start. Going over the top and calling Paul a Kook takes his contribution - budget cutting - of the table entirely.

What should be said of Paul if you don't like him is, "I have some trouble with Paul on some issues but on his call for cutting $1 trillion from the budget in the first year, he is exactly right."

Or are there some of you on here that don't think that kind of budget cut is necessary?

22 posted on 01/11/2012 7:41:12 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Mountain Mary
I think many Conservatives will hold their nose and vote for Mitt

Careful Mary, that's not a very popular view around here.

23 posted on 01/11/2012 7:41:36 AM PST by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: brytlea; Diana in Wisconsin; Kakaze; Tammy8; unkus; metmom; Cap Huff; svcw; leapfrog0202; Concho; ..

Ping


24 posted on 01/11/2012 7:41:56 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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To: NKP_Vet
Leftist Mob Mobilizes Against the GOP

In American politics, only the Left mobilizes the mob against its opponents. That’s why history textbooks don’t contain references to marauding bands of Reagan supporters roughing up Mondale backers.

But leftist groups and groups aligned with the Democratic Party have long viewed Republicans as fair game.

The Obama-backed “Occupy” movement has been working nonstop in New Hampshire bullying, intimidating, harassing, and provoking the Republican Party’s presidential candidates. It is the kind of unseemly, Latin American-style political activism that threatens to become a permanent feature of American politics if President Obama wins a second term.

It’s also the classic Saul Alinsky​ “inside/outside” strategy. Ensconced in the White House Obama appears to remain above the fray while his loyal minions on the outside of officialdom do their best to irritate and embarrass his Republican adversaries.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/01/11/leftist-mob-mobilizes-against-the-gop/

25 posted on 01/11/2012 7:41:56 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I’m using the conventional definition.


26 posted on 01/11/2012 7:43:06 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: Mountain Mary

I agree with you 100%, MM.


27 posted on 01/11/2012 7:43:46 AM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Romney's comments that "He loves to be in a postion to fire people" is not going to play well in the general election that will be about jobs and the economy.

I hate Romney and think he's a disaster in the making but that fire comment will only help him if Obama tries to run with it. It was taken out of context and it was about firing a health provider who doesn't deliver as opposed to government run health care. If they try to use it against him he could create an entire series of commercials based on Obama not wanting people to have any choice when it comes to who they can or can't have for a doctor. That said it's the .1% I agree with from Romey and the 99.9% is still way too much for me to ever support him.s a disaster in the making but that fire comment will only help him if Obama tries to run with it. It was taken out of context and it was about firing a health provider who doesn

28 posted on 01/11/2012 7:45:10 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Mountain Mary
But in the end, I think many Conservatives will hold their nose and vote for Mitt if he is the candidate.

And the corrupt, decrepit GOP-E is counting on that to maintain the status quo.

29 posted on 01/11/2012 7:46:35 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Mountain Mary

But if Santorum is the candidate—or even Gingrich—they won’t have to hold their nose when they vote.

Gingrich is clearly the anti-establishment candidate.

If Santorum does well in SC, he will be met with a new level of attacks from the left.


30 posted on 01/11/2012 7:46:50 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: svcw
If Romney is the winner, America still loses, he is no different politically and has already stated he WANTS to work with democrats.

If Romney wins the general election, Reagan conservatism and the Tea Party movement are forever dead. The Republican Party establishment for the next generation will be able to point to the "victory" of Mitt Romney as evidence that the party nominee must be a moderate and the MSM will happily sing that tune. If you are a true conservative who is tempted to hold your nose and vote for Romney, think about that - you're signing the death warrant for the best political hope this nation has.

31 posted on 01/11/2012 7:48:30 AM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: Proud2BeRight
The race is going to begin when we get to bigger primaries with registered GOP only and hopefully the conservatives get together to agree on one candidate so the conservative majority stop splitting the vote.

Iowa and New Hampshire should be a distant insignificant memories soon.

Evangelical leaders are meeting to push back against Mitt.

Evangelicals planning plot against Romney

"Mitt Romney hasn’t got a prayer.

That is, if the most prominent evangelical leaders in the country — who are holding crisis talks next weekend in Texas over the thinning herd of viable GOP challengers — have anything to say about it.

-SNIP-

Yet with Romney on a fast track — having won the Iowa caucuses and going into New Hampshire with a luxurious 24-point lead and South Carolina with a small lead — the meeting’s only agenda is to anoint an alternative candidate."

God be with them.

32 posted on 01/11/2012 7:53:52 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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To: greyfoxx39

Vulture capitalists are always gimlet-eyed.


33 posted on 01/11/2012 7:55:08 AM PST by tumblindice (Rew Scromney)
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To: greyfoxx39

Very interesting! Thanks. I wish them well.


34 posted on 01/11/2012 7:57:20 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: greyfoxx39
"Never has a winner looked so beaten (Mitt)"

We should be proud, he follows in the footsteps of eminently beatable candidates such as Dole and McCain. This trend will continue all the time that we allow those Liberal, faux GOP voters in the Northeast to bless our candidates at the beginning of each cycle's campaign.

35 posted on 01/11/2012 8:00:46 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: reasonisfaith

Which is?


36 posted on 01/11/2012 8:01:49 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: McGavin999
Apologies to all. My post #1 was ill-written.

I was considering the candidates who were NOT already in the race in response to Podhoretz' comment "And because every other plausible major candidate refused to run in 2011". Palin was the one who came to my mind.

I would vote for any republican candidate who is running to defeat Obama.

37 posted on 01/11/2012 8:03:53 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
I hate Romney and think he's a disaster in the making but that fire comment will only help him if Obama tries to run with it.

It does not matter that it is taken out of context. People will NOT sit still long enough for you to try to explain it away.

He said the words, they will play the short clip, and people will believe that Romney is a rich guy who likes firing people.

It won't backfire against Obama, it will assure his re-election.

38 posted on 01/11/2012 8:07:32 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: All; Jim Robinson
WOW..."Romney’s critics have accused him of destroying jobs in order to increase profits for his investment firm, Bain Capital, but speaking Wednesday on CBS, Romney said that what he did was no different from the Obama administration’s auto industry bailouts.

“In the general election I’ll be pointing out that the president took the reins at General Motors and Chrysler – closed factories, closed dealerships laid off thousands and thousands of workers – he did it to try to save the business,” Romney said Wednesday on CBS.

Romney likens work at Bain Capital to Obama’s auto industry bailout


39 posted on 01/11/2012 8:10:21 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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To: CommerceComet

I will not vote for Paul, Romney or Huntsman if any where to win the nomination - Period!!
I will vote all other offices, just not president.


40 posted on 01/11/2012 8:11:51 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw
I will not vote for Paul, Romney or Huntsman if any where to win the nomination - Period!! I will vote all other offices, just not president.

I'll write in "Tim Tebow" (so he isn't 35 yet.)

41 posted on 01/11/2012 8:13:39 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: greyfoxx39

You wrote: “WHAT “serious” candates? Palin is the only one I can think of.”

Not for nothing did she say this:

Jan 3, 2012

Palin: “GOP better not marginalize Ron Paul and his supporters”

VIDEO: http://www.therightscoop.com/palin-gop-better-not-marginalize-ron-paul-and-his-supporters/


42 posted on 01/11/2012 8:19:15 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: dfwgator
I'll write in "Tim Tebow" (so he isn't 35 yet.)

No matter. There's no proof that Obama is 35 either.

43 posted on 01/11/2012 8:20:08 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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To: KeyLargo

bttt


44 posted on 01/11/2012 8:24:10 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Matchett-PI

Sorry. I don’t get the point of your post @42.


45 posted on 01/11/2012 8:27:58 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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To: reasonisfaith
Gingrich is clearly the anti-establishment candidate.

Fixed it.

However, it's still true that Noot > Romney.

46 posted on 01/11/2012 8:28:58 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: txrefugee

Willard seems to think he is entitled to his CAMELOT, but he is more like Al Gore, who also thought he had entitlements.


47 posted on 01/11/2012 8:31:06 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

viable, credible, feasible, possible


48 posted on 01/11/2012 8:38:13 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: reasonisfaith

“Santorum is a serious candidate.
No real conservative would doubt this.”

My observation is that although Mr. Santorum takes himself seriously, and although those on the right take him seriously as well, he lacks the “electoral horsepower” to win on the national stage.

By contrast, Mr. Romney has at least a _little_ more of that “horsepower” than does Mr. Santorum, but nobody takes him seriously... :)


49 posted on 01/11/2012 8:41:22 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: reasonisfaith

With that criteria I would say that Santorum is not yet a serious candidate. He doesn’t have the funds raised or the organization in place to run in all the States needed on Super Tuesday.

And everyday the road gets longer and harder without the funds in hand and the people in place.

South Carolina is a make or break election. If Romney (or Paul) wins, the game is over. Money dries up from the other candidates and it’s trying to put lipstick on our pig to beat the lipsticked pig the Democrats are stuck with.

If someone else wins, all the money from the “Not-Mitt” movement shifts to them. Then we have a race to the nomination. If Santorum wins South Carolina, he will become a serious candidate, but he just isn’t one yet.


50 posted on 01/11/2012 8:43:21 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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