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Dem Drives Anti-Mormon Card
National Review ^ | 1/11/2012 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 01/11/2012 11:55:36 AM PST by americanophile

On MSNBC just now, South Carolina Democratic chair Dick Harpootlian painted Republican voters there as potentially refusing to vote for a Mormon, while trying to make it so. From memory: It does not bother me that he may believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, but it may bother them.

This is an ugly card and I hope...

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; inman; mormonism; mormons; romney
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To: Utah Binger; Tennessee Nana
Days are upside down.

Seasons were for Nana; afore we had the blessing of her presence in our country.

151 posted on 01/12/2012 4:17:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw

Yes silly you.


152 posted on 01/12/2012 4:19:22 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: svcw

Yes silly you.


153 posted on 01/12/2012 4:19:33 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Elsie; Tennessee Nana
Is this her?


154 posted on 01/12/2012 4:49:21 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Elsie

Ooops I wrote another incomplete sentence: I OFTEN try to keep my Mormon temple covenant to avoid loud laughter (especially when I’m at work) .....

Sometimes I fail in avoiding loud laughter, especially when I listen to songs from the South Park guys’ musical on the Book of Mormon. Oh well nobody is perfect. Take for example President Monson and his what the legal system would call “obstruction of justice” in letting a child molester roam free in order to protect the reputation of the Lord’s true church. Could it be possible for God to make up the difference in PR if the Mormon church is God’s true church and some Bishop is exposed as a child molester & gets his name in the papers after being excommunicated & convicted? Maybe the Lord could’ve brought a huge broadcast device from Kolob to hover over the metro areas where this story would’ve broke and said “yes my children a Bishop in my true church molested children and this is terribly wrong. But do not let this cause you to think badly of my true church and Brethren in Salt Lake”? As a child I learned in Sunday School that the Lord created worlds without number so I’m guessing that if the Lord ever had any PR problems that bringing in a broadcast system from Kolob or anything else needed to be done could be done to help the Lord’s PR department overcome whatever is ailing the Lord’s true church’s reputation.


155 posted on 01/12/2012 5:54:17 AM PST by Degaston
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To: Utah Binger

Nope. She’d have December roses!


156 posted on 01/12/2012 6:19:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Degaston

I’m going to have to search MORMONism’s ancestory site to see if you and MormonDude are related...


157 posted on 01/12/2012 6:20:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Some great trout streams in NZ I hear. Someday......


158 posted on 01/12/2012 6:37:21 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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159 posted on 01/12/2012 7:20:15 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Elsie
I read LDS history from the official LDS History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the history that Joseph Smith began to write but was completed after his death by other members of the LDS church hierarchy in 1856. Parts were published in Times and Seasons and other LDS magazines, and in its entirety with annotations and edits as part of a seven-volume series beginning in 1902.

I read 'faithful history,' written by LDS authors and presented as scholarly writings with annotations and footnotes to source documents and writings.

I read LDS history that does not meet the 'faithful history' standard, written by current LDS, former LDS, other religious scholars, and scholars who have been excommunicated for writing history that wasn't faithful but who still consider themselves believing Saints (D. Michael Quinn, Ph.D., for example).

In addition to reading LDS Apostle Boyd K. Packer's admonition to LDS historians, The Mantle is Far, Far Greater Than The Intellect, anyone interested in the difference between faithful history and history should read D. Michael Quinn's heavily footnoted account of the long story of his loss of Temple Recommend and eventual excommunication for, among other things, writing about post-1890 Manifesto marriages and magic and the Mormon world view. It's a fascinating read and part of a group of collected works (primarily by LDS historians) about the difficulties of being a LDS historian given the admonition to write faithful history:

On Being a Mormon Historian (and Its Aftermath).

Dr. Quinn still considers himself a believing Saint. He's considered perhaps the most knowledgable authority, living or dead, on Mormon history. NOTE: Quinn is gay. He came out of the closet long after being excommunicated. You'll hear people say he was excommunicated for that. There was more than a two-decade span between one and the other. He's just one of many LDS scholars excommunicated or disenfellowshipped (or who had a TR pulled) for writing history found to be unfaithful.

I support the right of LDS FR members to believe in their faith. This isn't about theology, it's about history. When facts about LDS history are covered up, they are hidden from members of the LDS church as well as non-LDS.

160 posted on 01/12/2012 7:28:17 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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If lds actually knew the history of the foundation (and continuing history) of their “church” would they still be lds? place marker


161 posted on 01/12/2012 7:33:34 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Elsie

Sorry I hadn’t read it when I ??? you.

I did just look at it, but it’s not of any interest to me so they don’t really mean anything to me. If you like, I’ll reject them...or agree with them, whatever makes you feel better.


162 posted on 01/12/2012 8:44:37 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Scoutmaster; Saundra Duffy; Jeff Head; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; Elsie; reaganaut; Godzilla; svcw
We even have faithful reviews of non-faithful books about writing faithful history published by faithful history journals: Gary F. Novak, "Review of Faithful History: Essays on Writing Mormon History by George D. Smith," FARMS Review of Books 5/1 (1993).

It's actually more complicated. And 'non-faithful' actually means academic, bear in mind. I found that cite on the fairLDS.org website while researching what fairLDS (a faithful history site) had to say about faithful history. FARMS is published by the Neal A. Maxwell Institute, which is a faithful history institute, and part of BYU, which is required to teach faithful history as part of the LDS church. Smith's book of essays, once I went back and read the online version again, included both faithful and non-faithful essays, but was published by a publisher, Signature Books, of both non-faithful and quasi-faithful LDS historians.

So the cite to Gary F. Novak, "Review of Faithful History: Essays on Writing Mormon History by George D. Smith," FARMS Review of Books 5/1 (1993) from fairLDS.org was a faithful site's cite to a faithful review of a non-faithful(?) editor's collection of faithful and non-faithful essays about faithful history, published by a publisher of non-faithful and quasi-faithful history, as printed in a faithful journal published by a faithful instituted sponsored by a faithful university.

As I said, it's not doctrine, this 'faithful history' admonition by Boyd K. Packer, but when it leads to articles by non-faithful LDS historians and other academics titled "How to Read a Mormon Historian," "Objectivity and History," "On Being a Mormon Historian," "Thoughts on the Relation of Faith and Historical Knowledge," "Faithful History/Secular Religion," "An Address to the Crisis in Mormon Historiography," and so forth:

Yes, reading both 'faithful' and "non-faithful" LDS history and knowing the difference is important.

If Mitt Romney secures the nomination, certainly he'll face problems with those who take issue with liberal views he's espoused in the past. Others will take issue with specific teachings and quotes of the LDS church about the apostasy of *all* other churches. For some people, the of the issues facing Mitt Romney will be separate and distinct from anything theological. It's that the LDS church and vocal apologists (see, e.g., MormonVoices.org and fairLDS.org), through the lenses of 'faithful history' or otherwise, denies, distorts, and (in the case of apologists) blatantly lies about obvious historical facts. That makes good people - fine, upstanding Mormons whom I work with in Scouting or know in the community - look like liars, like they have 'everything' to hide.

It's time for the LDS church to admit some truths that aren't pretty. Brigham Young was a racist. Blacks and the priesthood wasn't Joseph Smith's idea (there were blacks in the priesthood in his day) - it was wrong the moment men in the church made it up. Polygamy was wrong, from the beginning, and the First Presidency lied in 1890 and continued to bless polygamy until caught with the Reed Smoot hearings. And Gordon B. Hinckley lied about when polygamy was practiced when questioned on the Larry King show ('when we went west'). If you believe in exaltation, and a Celestial Kingdom open only to Mormons who have earned it through works and following rules, just say it. If it involves becoming a god and populating your own planet (and goodness knows, that's been taught by prophets, and is part of a doctrinal exposition by the First Presidency, and is currently taught in Gospel Principles, in the Celestial Marriage guide, in the CES materials for children 4-11, seminary, and institutes), just say so. And so forth. Then move on.

Americans are open to religions that believe in reincarnation - but they're not open when somebody denies believing in something that we can read in the educational materials (which may explain why CES materials are being placed behind portals that require an authorized LDS password to view).

Let's celebrate LDS beliefs, not deny them.

163 posted on 01/12/2012 9:06:45 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Elsie; ejonesie22
It means I'm doing my job well; and will soon get anOTHER raise!!

You 'Inmans' are an elite crew and should be paid accordingly.

164 posted on 01/12/2012 9:16:48 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Scoutmaster

thanks, I bookmarked the article for later reading.


165 posted on 01/12/2012 9:17:52 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Scoutmaster
So the cite to Gary F. Novak, "Review of Faithful History: Essays on Writing Mormon History by George D. Smith," FARMS Review of Books 5/1 (1993) from fairLDS.org was a faithful site's cite to a faithful review of a non-faithful(?) editor's collection of faithful and non-faithful essays about faithful history, published by a publisher of non-faithful and quasi-faithful history, as printed in a faithful journal published by a faithful instituted sponsored by a faithful university.


166 posted on 01/12/2012 9:22:26 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Elsie

Romney fired all the ISMs

theres not a one to be had...


167 posted on 01/12/2012 9:27:22 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Utah Binger

Yeppers

:)


168 posted on 01/12/2012 9:29:44 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Servant of the Cross

I’ll FRp you my mail so you know where to mail the check.


169 posted on 01/12/2012 9:48:08 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Timaeus

Wow, not a single grammatical error or misspelling. Very professional. You guys really should dirty-up your responses a tad so you look more like actual people and not operatives. I’m a script doctor and I can help you with that.


170 posted on 01/12/2012 10:36:24 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: stuartcr
I did just look at it, but it’s not of any interest to me so they don’t really mean anything to me. If you like, I’ll reject them...or agree with them, whatever makes you feel better.

The word you are looking for is Ignore.

171 posted on 01/12/2012 10:40:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Servant of the Cross
You 'Inmans' are an elite crew and should be paid accordingly.


Aw...  shucks...
 


172 posted on 01/12/2012 10:42:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

It’s difficult to ignore something you never paid attention to in the first place, but I’ll give it a shot...

...5 minutes later;

How’s that?
Ya feel better now?


173 posted on 01/12/2012 10:55:34 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: bert
Hey, bert. Haven't talked to you in a long time.

Good for the FR class of '98 to get together sometimes.

As regards Romney, as an LDS myself, I will only vote for him as a candidate of last resort. His former positions, and relatively recent "conversion" to more conservative principles are a little too convienent for me. He needs a lot more time proving that what he is saying now is really what he believes.

Having said that, at least he is saying the right things by and large, and if he was the nominee, I would vote for him to beat Obama rather than not vote or go 3rd party and hand it to Obama. I will noot do anything to make it easier for that abject marxist, who is actively destroying this republic.

In the meant time, lets work and hope that one of the more conservative candidates (Santorum, Perry, or Newt) can become the single conservative candidate and calese the conservative vote and beat him so we do not have to make that choice.

...aslo, as I am sure you are aware, watch out for incoming on you comments, I have no doubt you will receive it, claiming all sorts of things about your person because you would say it, LOL! But we've seen worse on these boards.

Take care my FRiend, and God's speed.

Mind our knot.

174 posted on 01/12/2012 10:56:24 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

For the record, I consider Romney the political man and what I percieve as attacks on Mormon ism as separate and distinct topics.

I was a Cain Man and wrote an essay comparing the Texan Perry with the Yankee Romney. I was not a Perry guy but the gubernatorial contrast was interesting. I oppose Mitt for being governor of Massachusetts and a North East Yankee. Either or both are adequate for his disqualification in my view.

I have pretty much decided to support Newt, but if the past indicates the present, the issue will pretty much be decided by the time we have our primary in Tennessee.

As a long time Freeper I am saddened by what I percieve as the use of Free republic to attack a religious body of what are good American citizens. The anti Mormon group of course deny it and throw up technical defense grounds that may or may not be accurate. I fear the perception by others will cast FRee Republic in a bad light. We need to attract people, not drive them away

Thanks for your sound counsel


175 posted on 01/12/2012 12:59:33 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Deb
Wow, not a single grammatical error or misspelling. Very professional. You guys really should dirty-up your responses a tad so you look more like actual people and not operatives. I’m a script doctor and I can help you with that.
Yes, I am confident that you could help anyone sound stupid especially since you're so accomplished at affecting stupidity yourself--or, maybe it's not an affectation--in any case I don't care about your script doctoring to help people appear dumber than they are, what I care about is your support for Willard Romney, a support that helps you appear dumber than you are, and a support that immediately announces that you are hostile to both conservatives and conservatism, so take your ad hominem insinuations elsewhere.
176 posted on 01/12/2012 2:31:14 PM PST by Timaeus (Willard Mitt Romney Delenda Est)
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To: bert
It is a sad fact that of all the America loving, qualified, honest black men and women in present day America, an incompetent, socialist liar named Barry Obama was the first black president.

In the same way, it will be a sad thing for the conniving, unscrupulous, lying, two-faced Mitt Romney to be the first Mormon president. The truth of what and who Mitt Romney is brings no honor to faithful conservative Mormons.

177 posted on 01/12/2012 9:41:43 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Timaeus

Oh, shut up.


178 posted on 01/13/2012 1:23:19 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: bert

“We need to attract people, not drive them away”

Thank you.


179 posted on 01/13/2012 1:30:18 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: Elsie

anti mormons LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9OKUwTyv2M


180 posted on 01/16/2012 10:23:00 PM PST by restornu
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To: colorcountry

anti mormons LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9OKUwTyv2M


181 posted on 01/16/2012 10:25:30 PM PST by restornu
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To: stuartcr

Oh?

What did you say?

I had to come in from recess early.


182 posted on 01/17/2012 4:18:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: restornu
Resty is my Homegrrl!



My name is David; and I approve this message.


183 posted on 01/17/2012 4:26:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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