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Romney: Questions about Wall Street and inequality are driven by `envy’
Washington Post ^ | January 11, 2012 | Greg Sargent

Posted on 01/12/2012 7:53:54 AM PST by C19fan

Mitt Romney had a remarkable exchange on NBC this morning that may not be as attention-grabbing about his “fire people” gaffe — but may actually be just as revealing and significant. And I hope it gets some attention.

In it, Romney suggested that concerns about Wall Street conduct and inequality are driven by “envy,” and even said we needn’t have a public debate about inequitable wealth distribution in this country.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: envy; gagdadbob; onecosmosblog; romney; wall
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Government of Goldman Sachs, by Goldman Sachs, and for Goldman Sachs.

According to Romney. We should ignore how all of gov't and monetary policy since the house of cards collapsed has been about implicitly and explicitly bailing out Wall Street. Nothing about how Wall Street CEOs made billions of dollars in compensation with the end result their companies were burned to the ground. I am as free market as anyone, but the current regime of heads I win tales you (tax payers) lose deserves to be criticized and examined.

1 posted on 01/12/2012 7:54:05 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Keep talking Mitt.


2 posted on 01/12/2012 7:57:17 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: C19fan

Wow. Romney’s just digging himself a nice deep hole here.


3 posted on 01/12/2012 7:57:22 AM PST by livius
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To: C19fan

Well let’s see if I understand this. We can’t talk about Obama’s church or anything to do about his relationships because that’s racist, and now we can’t talk about Bain because that’s anti-capitalism and envy.

We also can’t talk about Romney’s record as governor, and we also can’t see his tax returns.

And while you’re at it, we also can’t ask any questions about his religion or ask exactly who was he trying to convert to the Mormon religion in France.


4 posted on 01/12/2012 7:59:41 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: C19fan

“How dare they question the King?”


5 posted on 01/12/2012 8:00:31 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: C19fan

I’m going to post this comment until someone responds to it:

Did anyone listen to Glenn Beck this AM? This guy is completely off his rocker. I’ve listened maybe 5 minutes over the past four weeks, and each time it’s the same thing, so I figure he must be talking incessantly about it.

He basically says today, that voters should track, on chaulk board of course, the record of Romney and Paul...(oh, and Santorum too), since they are the ONLY three viable candidate.

He doesn’t even mention Perry, and throws in that if Newt is the nominee we’re toast.

He goes on to then support the ideas of Ron Paul, while his dimwit side kick is talking up Romney.

Does this guy have any following? Does anyone attend any of his so called rallies? Is O ‘Reilly still inviting him on his show, and schmooching his @ss?

This guy is a nut job. Is anyone else feeling the same way about him?


6 posted on 01/12/2012 8:05:18 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: C19fan

Yeah, there is no such thing as greed. Solandra, Goldman Sachs, AIG, GM, that’s all good old capitalism at it’s finest. It’s just making money the easy way, by taking it from taxpayers. Nothing wrong with that as long as the taxpayers are dumb enough to allow it.


7 posted on 01/12/2012 8:06:02 AM PST by McGavin999 ("If you'll have my back when I go to Washington, I'll have yours" Rick Perry 2012)
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To: C19fan

This is why ‘conservatives’ (and Newt) should avoid using leftist arguments against RINOs.

In the above Romney could be talking about Obama’s remarks yesterday, or he could be talking about some of the recent Republicans attacks on him regarding Bain. Romney has a trap here and many just walked into it.


8 posted on 01/12/2012 8:12:46 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: C19fan
Envy?

This is as intellectually dishonest as Obama supporters who claim anyone who questions him is a racist.

9 posted on 01/12/2012 8:13:21 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Obama & Axelrod will utterly destroy Romney. Pick another candidate...anyone, please!)
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To: livius; vbmoneyspender

We see now why he didn’t want to attend the debate where Trump would be the moderator. The less he has to talk the better. His handlers know that. Just stand with your hands in your pocket and we’ll work around you and do all your backstabbing for you.


10 posted on 01/12/2012 8:15:00 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: sickoflibs

Socialism is based on covetousness.

Socialists gain power by exploiting people’s covetousness of others’ property.

Ironically, they are more successful not in promising to give the covetors what the others have, but by promising to simply take it away from those who have.


11 posted on 01/12/2012 8:15:49 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: nikos1121

My family and I can’t listen to him anymore. He was funny at times but when you need seriousness he’s looped.


12 posted on 01/12/2012 8:16:18 AM PST by liberty or death
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To: dfwgator
“How dare they question the King?”

Yep, he's obama lite.
13 posted on 01/12/2012 8:18:09 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: C19fan

14 posted on 01/12/2012 8:18:47 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: C19fan

I think Romney is right - to some extent.

The whole Occupy movement, the whole populist rhetoric is all about envy and covetousness. “You have stuff. I don’t. I want the government to give me your stuff.”

There is nothing inherently wrong with wealth. There is nothing inherently wrong with profit. Neither are evil in and of themselves. The fact that people are greedy is a completely different question. People have been greedy since before God gave us the 10 Commandments and human nature has not changed.

I think Romney was right (Good gosh, I’m almost choking on those words) to not buy into the line questioning. He didn’t handle it as well as he could have but I think he was right.

Flame away.


15 posted on 01/12/2012 8:18:55 AM PST by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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To: iceskater
“You have stuff. I don’t. I want the government to give me your stuff.”

Actually, they're satisfied with "I want the government to take away your stuff."

16 posted on 01/12/2012 8:20:41 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: C19fan

Romney thinks a free market means granting the government the freedom to hide its collusion with large corporations.


17 posted on 01/12/2012 8:21:20 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: C19fan

One should remember that the fictional Dickens character, Ebeneezer Scrooge, also operated wholly within the law.

Just because it’s legal does not mean it’s good.

The golden rule of “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” seems to find little favor among some business people. It is replaced in their hearts by “Business is Business!”

Socialism is evil, capitalism is good. I firmly believe this.


18 posted on 01/12/2012 8:21:38 AM PST by Bobalu (Newt is just the a-hole we need at a time like this)
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To: MrB

Yeah, you’re probably right about that.


19 posted on 01/12/2012 8:23:40 AM PST by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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To: MrB

The rich love socialism, because it bars their competition.


20 posted on 01/12/2012 8:23:40 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: reasonisfaith

The lines between business and government get more blurred with each passing day.


21 posted on 01/12/2012 8:24:52 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: nikos1121

Yes, I do. Never listen to him, never could stand his radio show. It is just GOOFY and borders on insane with they way those two carry on, only they get the joke.


22 posted on 01/12/2012 8:28:38 AM PST by annieokie
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To: iceskater

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t “When Mitt Romney Came to Town” produced by Breitbart or someone working for him now?


23 posted on 01/12/2012 8:29:41 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: C19fan

Listening to Newt getting drilled by some British reporter, and Newt is swatting the questions away like a fly.

He is so fast on his feet. You either like or hate him, but Man he’s good at it. This guy is trying to get him to tell us what he thinks about Romney as a person, to make a statement about his character.

He keeps asking, finally Newt says, “There is nothing about that question that compells me to answer it.”

“Well what do you think of Romney?”

Newt: “I don’t.”

“You have no comment on the man’s character?”

Newt: “I’m not here to provide a psychoanalysis of Mitt Romney.”

“Would you work for him?”

Newt: (long pause) “No, and I don’t think he’d want to work for me either.”

Hahahahaha.....Great stuff. Will not be a dull moment if Newt is in the WH.


24 posted on 01/12/2012 8:35:38 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121
I’m going to post this comment until someone responds to it:

I am livid what Beck has become. I have no answer except Beck has gone nuts.

25 posted on 01/12/2012 8:35:58 AM PST by Logical me
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To: C19fan

Then you have Rick Perry, a good, decent and a gentle guy, but when he’s asked a question, it’s like the question goes into his ears, and it’s cycling through all the neurons and memory banks for several seconds while in the meantime he’s spilling out some nonsensical answer, until by the time the reporter asks the same question for the fifth time, a direct answer comes out. I think that’s what makes it frustrating.

Don’t get me wrong, it takes years of handling thousands of questions to do what Newt now does fairly effortlessly. Romney is good at is too, but not nearly as original and quick as Newt. Obama is getting better, but has never had to deal with a tough Q & A.


26 posted on 01/12/2012 8:41:16 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: C19fan
"""but the current regime of heads I win, tails you (tax-payer) lose deserves to be examined""" That statement explains why so many of the Establishment Republicans are getting on board with Mitt, Status Quo. They simply don't want the rest of the cards to fall, they have too much invested (insider trading,etc), and the peons are getting restless.

Envy? That should play well. My gosh he sounds like a Monarch already. Keep digging Mitt.

27 posted on 01/12/2012 8:41:29 AM PST by annieokie
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To: C19fan

And the GOP elite thinks this kind of talk will beat obama? Proof positive they want obama to win.


28 posted on 01/12/2012 8:41:29 AM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: nikos1121

Not Breitbart. It was produced by a guy that was on team Romney producing some of Romney’s ads during the 2008 election.


29 posted on 01/12/2012 8:52:44 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: C19fan

miit is just another communist that hates America and loves evil.

LLS


30 posted on 01/12/2012 8:58:02 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ( MOOchelle obama is PISSED OFF that people say that she is an angry woman!)
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To: Terry Mross

Yep, and yesterday mittens said that what he did at Bain was no different than what Obama did with the car companies. Can you say “open mouth insert foot”?

Romneynomics = Obamanomics

Romneycare = Obamacare

Could we just get a candidate that is not Obama lite?


31 posted on 01/12/2012 9:02:43 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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32 posted on 01/12/2012 9:07:36 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: vbmoneyspender

No wonder he doesn’t talk to reporters.


33 posted on 01/12/2012 9:08:03 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Logical me
"I have no answer except Beck has gone nuts."

I think I might.

I read on another thread:

Bain owns Clear Channel. That's Rush, Beck and Hannity.

Keep THAT in mind as you STILL continue to listen to them.

Listen REAL hard.

34 posted on 01/12/2012 9:13:05 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MrB; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
RE :”Socialism is based on covetousness. Socialists gain power by exploiting people’s covetousness of others’ property. Ironically, they are more successful not in promising to give the covetors what the others have, but by promising to simply take it away from those who have.

All true.

In addition their ultimate objective is to tax (’take away’) from the people they claim they want to give to.

The strategy should be obvious: get us addicted to stuff the government gives us while claiming only the rich will pay, then when the bill comes due (and we are close) have all the experts tell us that we have no choice but pay higher taxes to save the country. Then offer even higher taxes ‘on the rich’ as a emotional chaser so we don't mind the taxes as much.

One party state Maryland is a perfect example : Dems got complete power and raised two symbolic taxes on ‘the rich’ and to collect the REAL revenue : state sales taxes, alcohol taxes and just announce a gas tax increase is next. OHHH yes; and they passed a Perry type Dream act to spend some of that money, even though they claim we are broke. Dem Gov O Malley calls college for illegals ‘critical investments’

I don't think that is what Newt is up to here, I don't think Newt has any set of fixed principles beyond "What is good for Newt' . To him this is just an opportunity.

35 posted on 01/12/2012 9:17:18 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: brytlea; Diana in Wisconsin; Kakaze; Tammy8; unkus; metmom; Cap Huff; svcw; leapfrog0202; Concho; ..

Ping


36 posted on 01/12/2012 9:21:53 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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To: nikos1121
This guy is a nut job. Is anyone else feeling the same way about him?

Typical alcoholic mindset...Glenn claims to be "recovering" but there's a lot more to recovery from alcoholism than stopping drinking.

I was married to an alcoholic who fantasized about many things AND completely believed the fantasies. Another sign of alcoholism is grandiosity..and Glenn has that in large quantities.

37 posted on 01/12/2012 9:28:36 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Guess it is time to dust off this old photoshop.;)

38 posted on 01/12/2012 9:28:57 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedys float, Mary Jos don't)
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To: Bobalu
Socialism is evil, capitalism is good. I firmly believe this.

A great number of us believe that capitalism is the best economic model available for a free people. We do not, however, all agree that every capitalist is suitable to be president. Governor Romney has been very successful in characterizing any question about his business practices as being an attack on the free enterprise system.

Capitalism is good. Romney is a capitalist. Therefore Romney is good.

This false syllogism has so far been used to good effect to discredit efforts to examine his record. It is a practice often used in politics, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. We will see how long he can hold out.

39 posted on 01/12/2012 9:30:48 AM PST by etcb
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To: nikos1121

I left Beck when Beck left Faux.

I think Beck could be well on his way to a mental break down.

He is grandiose and seems like he’s in a 24 hour state of mania.

I pay no attention to him, save for the little I read about him here...LOL.


40 posted on 01/12/2012 9:43:59 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: presently no screen name

Precisely.


41 posted on 01/12/2012 9:45:15 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: presently no screen name

Precisely.


42 posted on 01/12/2012 9:59:14 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: onyx

It’s a thinly cloaked mania. It’s very strange, and reminds me too the way Ann Coulter has been acting.

I can’t stomach the guy’s radio show. Traveling between clinics each day between 10 to 10:30am I sometimes turn it on. IT’s the same, day in and day out.

You have a collection of two or three guys on there, who all sound the same, with their inside sarcasm and jokes. Over the past several weeks it’s been Ron Paul and Romney each time I turn it on.

Today, they’re mocking the Bain Capital documentary. Beck, as investigative reporter or commentator has always been thorough, why not now?


43 posted on 01/12/2012 10:18:56 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: onyx

I watched the video. It is the kind of thing you’d expect to see on 60 minutes or by the Obama campaign to be sure, but it will not be easy for Romney to dismiss the content.

It raised many many questions. One I had was the inside trading that may have been associated with these break ups and IPOs.

I think it has the possibility of unraveling. Maybe, just maybe you might get some reporters fromt the left to carry the ball here, because let’s face it you’re not getting it from Rush, Hannity or Fox News.

Rush did a little better to level the playing field when he caught Romney’s assanine statement about liking his tenure at Bain with Obama and GM, THEN he says that he feels sorry for Debbie Wasserman having to defend Obama’s economic policies including stepping in at GM and Chrysler.

Let’s see what he does today.


44 posted on 01/12/2012 10:20:29 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: MrB
"Socialism is based on covetousness.

Socialists gain power by exploiting people’s covetousness of others’ property.

Ironically, they are more successful not in promising to give the covetors what the others have, but by promising to simply take it away from those who have."

Not coveting is one of the ten commandments. Using your wile, smarts, salesmanship, daddy's money, organizational fine print, stealth, lawyers etc to take what belongs to your neighbor like Romney/bain did is exactly as much coveting as what the OWS scum are doing. It is a common misconception that the powerful wealthy do not covet, that it is a poor man's sin, I argue just that it is more of a wealthy man's sin.

Many of the wealthy covet what the middle class have, savings, job security, pensions, wages....And they COVET and SCHEME to take it in the exact same way as the money changers that Christ PHYSICALLY threw out of the temple.

Christ saved the thief on the cross, and assaulted the money changers.

45 posted on 01/12/2012 10:42:56 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: MrB; sickoflibs
"Socialism is based on covetousness. Socialists gain power by exploiting people’s covetousness of others’ property. Ironically, they are more successful not in promising to give the covetors what the others have, but by promising to simply take it away from those who have."

You got that right!

If you have an “ear” for envy, you will detect it everywhere in the liberal world. In psychoanalytic parlance, it is also called “spoiling,” or devaluing.

"One of the most important but little known concepts in psychoanalysis is that of envy. It is a term of art, not to be confused with the dictionary definition. ....

"If we could somehow eliminate envy from the human genome, there would be almost no reason for the left to exist. They would instantly lose that which animates them, for example, envy masquerading as justice or economic theory. ....

"In order to be happy, we must all keep our envy in check, because envy is the opposite of gratitude. Envy does not appreciate what one has, only what one doesn’t have. And our capacity to imagine what we do not have--and that someone else is enjoying it--is literally infinite, as is envy. ...

"Envy ..is a key that unlocks many mysteries, particularly in politics. So strong and pervasive is envy, that you cannot have a political system that doesn't accommodate or find some way to manage envy.

"You might say that one party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious.

"Guess which ones.

"More generally, the international left does not attack the United States because they hate us. Rather, they hate the United States because they envy us. Precisely because they cannot tolerate our unparalleled goodness and success, they attack it and turn America into a uniquely bad, greedy and envious object. It is pure projection. In engaging in this projection of their own greed and envy, they damage what is good and conflate good and evil, but at least it helps to temporarily diminish the pain of their own envy. They do the same thing with Israel. .... when it comes to the projection of envy and greed, "the one who smelt it, dealt it." ...."

<>

"..In both the premodern and postmodern worlds, we are bound by what the anthropologist Ernest Gellner called the "tyranny of cousins." This is obvious in the former, as everything we think and do is defined and constrained by our place in the clan: "That is, your social world was limited to the circles of relatives surrounding you, who determined what you did, whom you married, how you worshipped, and just about everything else in life."

"And in our opinion, one of the key psychic mechanisms that held this system together was and is envy. Envy was evolved to solve a serious problem, i.e., group unity and harmony, for human beings cannot survive outside the group. All primitive groups are characterized by the "evil eye" of envy, which makes its target feel uncomfortable and persecuted by these envious projections.

"But in order to evolve out of tribalism toward universality, we had to first break through the envy barrier,

hence the 10th Commandment of spiritual evolution:

you __shall not covet__ your neighbor's whatever.

"In short, envy is natural; transcendence of envy is supranatural.

"Thus, the leftist hardly needs to invent envy. He must only provoke, legitimize and exploit it in order to gain power over the envious, and eventually over all of us. Like the cravemen they are, they just want to be fair, and spread the poverty around.

HERE: Envious Cravemen and Liberal Proglodytes

46 posted on 01/12/2012 10:47:34 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: iceskater

Please see post #45.


47 posted on 01/12/2012 10:49:13 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: sickoflibs

BUT why should American taxpayers have to be forced to pay for Willard’s business incompetence and greed?

Workers were denied the severance pay and health insurance they’d been promised, and their pension benefits were cut..

What’s more, a FEDERAL GOVERNMENT insurance agency had to PONY UP $44 MILLION TO BAIL OUT the company’s underfunded pension plan.

Nevertheless, Bain profited on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8 million initial investment and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/01/bain-drip-drip-drip/

The Wall Street Journal analysis this week was devastating for Willard the Vulture/Lib at Bain..

Adding insult to injury, Bain would hide its profits in tax havens, not even paying the rate it was supposed to on the profits it made laying off workers.

Let’s see how the taxpayers feel about bailing out these companies’ pension funds and receiving no tax money back from Bain. Let’s let the people decide what they think of bailing out Romney.

Bottom line again: Why should American taxpayers have to be forced to pay for Willard’s business incompetence and greed?


48 posted on 01/12/2012 11:08:37 AM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: sickoflibs; All
This is why ‘conservatives’ (and Newt) should avoid using leftist arguments against RINOs.

Bill Kristol was being interviewed by Laura Ingraham this a.m. He said that it's not good enough for conservatives to jab, "free market...end of debate."

He mentioned one Obama Cabinet person who was into "crony capitalism."

He said that the populist rhetoric in 2010 (tea party...tho he didn't use 'tea party') has dissipated. He said in 2010 people were taking on Big Government, Big Finance, and Big Education.

Now that we don't have GOP candidates talking about that...and now that we have Romney RINO supporters catering to a candidate who won't take on Big Government, Big Finance, and Big Education, we get silence.

He also said the one candidate taking that on is Paul.

I'm not a Paul supporter; Kristol isn't either. But Paul is filling a vacuum, Kristol said, because the other GOP candidates won't address these reform issues.

Time for some FREEPERS to get off their high horses -- as an overreaction to the Occupy movement -- to stop treating 100% of Big Finance as a sacred cow.

Just because Obama's socialism is threatening capitalism, not everything "capitalistic" and "free market" IS off-limits for critique ...or is the "end of debate" ... simply because libs attack it.

49 posted on 01/12/2012 11:20:46 AM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: Colofornian

Big Finance AND Big Government are one in the same.


50 posted on 01/12/2012 11:22:21 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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