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Sandusky reportedly watched Paterno's record win in president's box week before arrest
FoxNews.com ^ | January 12, 2012 | None listed

Posted on 01/12/2012 10:43:15 AM PST by Scoutmaster

Jerry Sandusky reportedly watched Joe Paterno notch his record 409th victory from the president's box a week before the former Penn State assistant football coach was arrested on charges of child sex abuse in November.

A source close to the university's board of trustees told The Patriot-News on Wednesday that Sandusky, 67, was seen in then-president Graham Spanier's box on Oct. 29 and later went to Penn State's Nittany Lion booster club.

Earlier Wednesday, former Nittany Lions linebacker Brandon Short told the newspaper he had been told by two independent sources -- whom he did not identify -- that Sandusky was in Spanier's box for the Penn State-Illinois game.

The unidentified source also told The Patriot-News that the school's athletic director at the time originally did not want to give Sandusky tickets to the game, but Sandusky’s wife, Dottie, was so insistent that he eventually relented.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: pedophile; pennstate; sandusky
Penn State spokesman says Sandusky was not invited to Spanier's box. Note that new Penn State President Rodney Erickson says that then-President Graham Spanier briefed the Penn State Board of Trustees about the grand jury proceedings in May or July 2012.

Timeline:

May/July - Spanier briefs Penn State Board of Trustees about grand jury
October 29 - Sandusky sits in Spanier's box for Paterno's 409th win
November 4 - Sandusky indicted on 42 counts of child molestation
November 5 - Penn State AD Tim Curley and Sr. VP of Business & Finance Gary Schulz indicted
November 5 - Penn State Board of Directors acts surprised
November 7 - Curley takes leave of absence; Schultz retires
November 9 - Paterno fired; Spanier resigns as President (stays on as professor)
November 12 - Curley fired

Note that Joe Paterno was the only person fired - until the public complained too much about Curley only being on a leave of absence.

Note also that the Penn State Board of Trustees had retained former FBI head (1993-2001) Louis Freeh to head its 'transparent' investigation.

You may remember that name.

Freeh's claims to fame include:

It's curious that Freeh appears to be a Luddite. He had the computer removed from his office in the FBI. He wouldn't use email and wouldn't update the FBI computer system under his tenure as FBI director. I wonder if he'll look at emails or pursue leads that require technological knowledge?

After Vince Foster, and the investigation of Ruby Ridge, and Richard Jewell, I understand exactly what the Penn State Board of Directors was looking for when it retained him. Or is that being too cynical?

1 posted on 01/12/2012 10:43:21 AM PST by Scoutmaster
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To: Scoutmaster
Penn State spokesman Bill Mahon said a search of the guest lists for the box for every Nittany Lions game during the last three seasons showed that Sandusky was never invited to the box.

That's a beautiful non-answer to the question "Was Sandusky in the Erickson's box for the game."

Jerry Sandusky doesn't need to be on the guest list. He's Jerry Freaking Sandusky!

The guy brought twelve year old boys as sleepover dates to Penn State Football functions, and nobody said boo to him.

2 posted on 01/12/2012 10:56:05 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Scoutmaster

I remain convinced that the prosecution of this entire Sandusky episode was put on hold UNTIL Coach Paterno got that record-setting win. Hard to imagine that an investigation which went on for such a long time just happened to break the week following that win.


3 posted on 01/12/2012 11:09:42 AM PST by TexasNative2000 (Jimmy Carter's incompetence + Richard Nixon's paranoia = Barack Obama)
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To: Scoutmaster
New Penn State president: We want to honor Joe Paterno
4 posted on 01/12/2012 11:16:45 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

Joe Paterno is a disgrace; no one should be advocating his being “honored”


5 posted on 01/12/2012 11:35:15 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: dead
The guy brought twelve year old boys as sleepover dates to Penn State Football functions, and nobody said boo to him.

There, there now. Let's not be spreading falsehoods about the very moral Penn State coaches who sat at the coaches' table at Toftree's the 1998 and 1999 seasons (1998, during the investigation, and 1999, after he announced his resignation, effective at the end of the 1999 season, in the wake of the 1998 investigation, and Joe Paterno's May 1999 meeting with him).

Victim #4 was fourteen years old, not twelve. Victim #4 sat at those coaches' tables and spent those sleepover nights being molested, and went with Sandusky to the Outback and Alamo Bowls. Fourteen years old. And that makes all the different, eh? (I'm trying to learn to think like a Penn State apologist.)

6 posted on 01/12/2012 12:51:05 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
"I'm trying to learn to think like a Penn State apologist."

Very nice job generating JoPalogist "thought"!!!

7 posted on 01/12/2012 12:53:26 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: South Hawthorne; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ..

Now, this is getting interesting. Sandusky was hanging with Spanier a week before he was charged which, of course, was AFTER the grand jury testimony by Curly & Shultz.


8 posted on 01/12/2012 12:57:44 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: Scoutmaster
Freeh's claims to fame include:

We do fight, but you just made some very good points.

Why would Freeh sign on to a cover-up of pedophilia? There is an answer and it kind of makes you real sick if you think about it too much.

9 posted on 01/12/2012 1:01:17 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: Scoutmaster

Tag


10 posted on 01/12/2012 1:07:49 PM PST by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: Tribune7
Now, this is getting interesting. Sandusky was hanging with Spanier a week before he was charged which, of course, was AFTER the grand jury testimony by Curly & Shultz.

And I've just realized something, . Paterno was the only person initially fired over this.

Paterno was the only one fired, initially. The Board acted surprised about the whole matter in November, when it had been briefed by Spanier in May/July (and you would expect periodic updates).

I still think Paterno did wrong, but he's beginning to look like a scapegoat in some minor way. The entire Board may need to go. Why is Spanier there?

11 posted on 01/12/2012 1:47:10 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Tribune7
Now, this is getting interesting. Sandusky was hanging with Spanier a week before he was charged which, of course, was AFTER the grand jury testimony by Curly & Shultz.

And I've just realized something, . Paterno was the only person initially fired over this.

Paterno was the only one fired, initially. The Board acted surprised about the whole matter in November, when it had been briefed by Spanier in May/July (and you would expect periodic updates).

I still think Paterno did wrong, but he's beginning to look like a scapegoat in some minor way. The entire Board may need to go. Why is Spanier there?

12 posted on 01/12/2012 1:55:10 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Tribune7; South Hawthorne; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; ...
Now, this is getting interesting. Sandusky was hanging with Spanier a week before he was charged which, of course, was AFTER the grand jury testimony by Curly & Shultz.

I think it would be appropriate for Sandusky and Spanier to hang together along with everyone else who was responsible for the cover up.

13 posted on 01/12/2012 1:57:26 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Scoutmaster; little jeremiah
Spanier was fired simultaneously with Paterno. Spanier arrived at Penn State as president after disciplining students at Nebraska for praying in public at football games. Spanier promised to make Penn State the "most gay friendly campus in America." and firing Paterno provided cover to Spanier because no sensible person gave a rat's patoot about lavender Spanier and almost the entire college football rooting public cared about and mostly admired Joe Paterno.

Hopefully Sandusky and Spanier kept their clothes on and their hands to themselves when in such proximity to one another and kept their attention on football.

14 posted on 01/12/2012 2:05:57 PM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: Scoutmaster
Why is Spanier there?

That's almost certainly a tenure thing.

15 posted on 01/12/2012 2:08:36 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: Tribune7
Sorry for the double post; a dog tried to jump in my lap.

Joe Paterno was an Ivy League man as am I. That background generally doesn't come in useful; as a Texan I am generally a more "get your hands dirty" approach to life and would, under other circumstances, appreciate the Penn State motto: "Making Life Better."

Penn State should have paid a licensing fee to its in-state Ivy League counterpart, The University of Pennsylvania, and used and lived by the Penn motto:

Leges sine moribus vanae ("Laws without morals are useless")

Or my alma mater: Veritas - "Truth." Or even the Yalie Boys' Lux et Veritas—“Light and Truth.”

I don't know what we're going to find if a light is ever shined in every corner. While now-PA Governor Corbett was running for Governor, but was the AG who had an impaneled grand jury investigating Sandusky:

Corbett accepted more than $25,000 from state board members of Sandusky’s charity, The Second Mile, during his gubernatorial campaign last year. On top of that, he accepted thousands more from the charity’s regional board members, according to Pennsylvania Department of State campaign contributions website.

His openness to the charity’s board members’ contributions to his campaign didn’t stop there. Corbett also allowed S&A Homes president and CEO Robert Poole, who chaired Second Mile’s board, to hold a small fundraiser for him at Poole’s home in January 2010.


16 posted on 01/12/2012 2:10:27 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: BlackElk
Spanier arrived at Penn State as president after disciplining students at Nebraska for praying in public at football games. Spanier promised to make Penn State the "most gay friendly campus in America."

It kind of makes you wonder what exactly was the Board of Trustees thinking when they picked him.

It wasn't like they didn't have a whole lot of options.

17 posted on 01/12/2012 2:11:32 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: Scoutmaster
And at the time Poole (the Chairman of The Second Mile Board) hosted the fund raiser for Corbett, Poole knew that Sandusky was being being investigated:

Poole, however, said he did know about it.

In his email, Pool said that “to the best of my recollection, I first learned in 2008 or 2009 that authorities were investigating Mr. Sandusky.”


18 posted on 01/12/2012 2:16:34 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
Here's another one that will make you start feeling real sick.

The victims were pre-teen boys.

19 posted on 01/12/2012 2:23:10 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: Scoutmaster
ESPN interviewed Monica Thomas, 1985 Penn State Graduate, part of some "group" that attended PSU President Rodney Erickson's first (of three) meetings with PSU alumni:

ESPN: ". . . a Q&A with (PSU) President Rodney Erickson. Given what you've heard him say on this program (ESPN): "We're not spinning. It's not a scandal" And the questions you want answered. What are you left with and what's your state of mind as you approach tonight's meeting?"

Thomas: "Well, we're going in looking for some answers as to was a proper investigation, like, there was no proper investigation before the media started spinning things a certain way."

"And if they would have sat back and said, well we're, there's a reason for the removal of University staff and this is the reason we've conducted an investigation, um, we're looking for due process, due process and transparency in the Board is basically what our group is . . .:

ESPN: "Has there been transparency on the Board in the past to your mind?"

Thomas: "Uhh. We don't really think so. It doesn't seem like anybody's saying anything, actually, since the night of November 9th.

An investigation before the media started spinning? I already posted about the PSU Board's memos about controlling the message. And for whom does want due process? Joe Paterno? The victims? And due process in court or some nebulous "you guys play fair with Penn State" standard for the media and public opinion? Why is she on national television?

President Erickson has told the press he didn't know anything about the Sandusky investigation until November; this is curious, as it was reported in the Harrisburg newspapers going back to last March. Transparency?

20 posted on 01/12/2012 3:26:58 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: TexasNative2000
I remain convinced that the prosecution of this entire Sandusky episode was put on hold UNTIL Coach Paterno got that record-setting win.

That "record" was nothing significant. If any records were worth putting off the prosecution for breaking, they would be passing up Bear Bryant and then Bobby Bowden for most FBS victories or winning 400 games.

21 posted on 01/12/2012 3:35:44 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: Scoutmaster
he's beginning to look like a scapegoat in some minor way. The entire Board may need to go.

You're on to something there.

22 posted on 01/12/2012 3:38:07 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: BlackElk

You’re one of the few people who get who is really to blame in this whole mess.

You’d think that posters on a conservative site might look towards the perversion-friendly president and his BOT buddies. Instead, they go along with the mainstream media story. Strange and disappointing.


23 posted on 01/12/2012 3:40:40 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: Scoutmaster
Penn State president says trustees were briefed months before Jerry Sandusky arrest

BTW, what's Lanny Davis been up to, anyone heard?

24 posted on 01/12/2012 3:44:54 PM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: WPaCon

You are soooooo right. We should encourage people in power who enable child rape. /disgusted sarcasm


25 posted on 01/12/2012 4:02:27 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Scoutmaster

My mother always taught me you ARE who you hang out with....therefore they are all pervs.

Love your post.


26 posted on 01/12/2012 4:09:22 PM PST by tioga ( Choose an author as you choose a friend. Sir Christopher Wren)
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To: Tribune7

The children in those Hershey Childrens’ Home were troubled and at risk youth. Vulnerable and ignored. Very sad. From the looks of that face they showed....scary.


27 posted on 01/12/2012 4:13:51 PM PST by tioga ( Choose an author as you choose a friend. Sir Christopher Wren)
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To: TexasNative2000

From what I heard, JoPa was only a figurehead, long ago was too old to actually coach and run the team. That is a joke that he won anything.


28 posted on 01/12/2012 4:15:58 PM PST by tioga ( Choose an author as you choose a friend. Sir Christopher Wren)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

You are soooooo right. I was really encouraging people in power who enable child rape.


29 posted on 01/12/2012 4:37:00 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon

if only “JoePa” got what he deserved


30 posted on 01/12/2012 4:40:21 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
if only “JoePa” got what he deserved

Being placed on administrative leave while this whole mess is sorted out?

31 posted on 01/12/2012 4:45:12 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon

not even vaguely close to fitting.


32 posted on 01/12/2012 4:48:10 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; tioga; mewzilla; dfwgator; Colofornian; is_is; Paleo Conservative; dead; ...

33 posted on 01/12/2012 7:03:03 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: WPaCon

Thank you. Is it true that Spanier is still on the payroll as a teacher?


34 posted on 01/13/2012 9:19:31 AM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; WPaCon
Hegewisch Dupa:

I take it that you have no problem with Lavender Encouraging Spanier STILL being on the payroll.

Someone suggested that has to do with tenure. He is a sociology professor if he is still there. Do you think that being the ringleader of Penn State University's "gay friendly" transition as its president that he has acted to such a degree of moral turpitude as to deserve to have his tenure revoked and to be fired and banished from the university?

Do you think that Sandusky being at least bisexual if not outright gay and marrying his childless wife as a cover for that little problem has something to do with this? Is his long-time wife still a virgin (at least as to her relations with Jerry?) or did he make a few attempts before turning to ten-year-old boys?

Knowing that Joe Paterno reported this situation early on to the CIVILIAN university big shot who was a Spanier subordinate, not a sworn police officer himself but in charge of university police (Keystone Kops) who were sworn officers, was JoPa supposed to make a citizen's arrest? Did he personally WITNESS misbehavior? If so, provide details. Do the university administrators who have charge of the university police have obligations when JoPa reported to them the rumors he had heard of criminal rape of young boys but which not personally witnessed?

Don't depend on McQueary because he apparently has multiple stories depending on the identity and authority of the listener.

Should ANY university have its own police department made up of sworn police officers with arrest powers? Doesn't that encourage the campus police to play CYA for university administrators who provide their squad cars, their radios and daily bread? How actively do such marionettes investigate drug dealing on campus or criminal sexual behavior or binge drinking by minors or other crimes that may sully the school's image or embarrass university officials? It happens all the time in similar circumstances at Yale and the University of Connecticut and probably each and every campus with its own captive police department.

One reform needed in the wake of this scandal is to abolish university controlled police departments at Penn State and wherever they may be found. Universities and colleges ought not be sanctuaries for criminal behavior considered no big deal by libertoonian fantasists and left-wing activists who might, Heaven forfend!, protest arrests.

I am still awaiting any evidence whatsoever that Joe Paterno is a perp here. I am older than I once imagined myself getting to be, old enough to collect Social Security. Joe Paterno is twenty years older than I. He graduated a Jesuit prep school in Brooklyn in about 1944 way back when the Jesuits were still REALLY Catholic and were called God's Marines. Years like 1944 were a different world. He was a working class Italian American kid from the all-American Brooklyn of the time. When Joe Paterno was a kid, no one among the kids would have reported child abuse to the cops. Instead, in Brooklyn, they would have chased the perp into a neighborhood alley way and given him the beating of his life and saw to it that he left the area permanently lest they finish the job. Paterno did well enough to be admitted to elitist Brown University, an Ivy, and then, to his father's dismay, became a football coach. By all accounts, Joe Paterno was a pretty effective football coach for a very long time. His father would, by now, have changed his mind in favor of Paterno's career choice.

Anal rape of ten-year old boys, thank God, has never been a part of my world. The closest was a scoutmaster who was a cop who was forced to retire as a cop and to leave Connecticut, the state where I grew up, because he had apparently misbehaved as a closet gay with a scout or scouts. No one fired the mayor, the local alderman, the neighborhood delicatessen owner or restauranteur, the police chief, the shift commander or the other scout leaders who, I can assure you, had no use for such behavior and were likely those who complained to higher authority about the cop.

Be honest now, unless you live near Center County, Pennsylvania or are an alumnus/a, before this scandal, could you name one person permanently employed at Penn State in any capacity whatsoever OTHER than the justly famous and well-regarded Joe Paterno? I couldn't and I'll bet that most FReepers couldn't. Joe Paterno is the celebrity scapegoat at a gummint university who was fired to distract public attention from the professional demise of Spanier, the man who promised, as president of the university, to make it the most "gay friendly" campus in America. That, under the despicably immoral and amoral "modern" circumstances, was quite a challenge he gave himself but he had about 15 years to make it a reality. He was not likely to tolerate any actions by subordinates deemed anti-"gay." The Sandusky scandal is a natural result of Spanier's rule of the university. Many trustees are probably his simuilarly perversion-friendly buddies or practitioners of those perversions, perhaps of Sandusky's particular variation of same.

Joe Paterno is an elderly gentleman and distinguished figure whom many Americans without Penn State connections actually care about. I am one. OTOH, if Spanier, whoever was in charge of campus police, "investigating" officers, trustees, McQueary, and anyone else who had general authority at the university and facilitated Sandusky by covering his criminal perversions, were burned at the stake collectively on national television after a few weeks of appropriate inquiry under physical, ummm, chastisement preferably by Sandusky's victims, the name for that would be justice. Unfortunately, such remedies are no longer allowed because the law will get in the way. Life in non-country club Pennsylvania prisons without parole and left to the tender ministrations of normal prisoners will give them a lifetime taste of their own medicine. Those prisoners may be murderers, armed robbers, even rapists of adults but most have in common a deep loathing for rapists of children. Guards will probably find themselves tooooo busy to interfere.

Time to stop scapegoating Joe Paterno and to focus on the lavender empowering "enlightened" culterati perps and cover-up artists responsible for the systematic rape of innocent children.

If you have any interest in just how widespread this problem of child rape truly is, I recommend to you a book called the Franklin Coverup about what appeared to be an even worse situation in Omaha, Nebraska (of all places) involving judges, police officials, public figures, juvenile authorities, FBI personnel and many others who were not investigating because they were the PERPS. The book was written by a state senator charged with investigating who left public life at an early age convinced he would be killed by the perps if he did not. The kids IIRC had already been forced to kill each other with shotguns as the perps watched and enjoyed that.

Joe Paterno's reputation has been permanently trashed to facilitate the leniency resulting from purposeful ignoring of those actually responsible. Paterno was the biggest man on campus. He was fed to the wolves to protect the lily-livered, limp-wristed child-abusing sissies and their academic spin artists.

Just one man's opinion.

35 posted on 01/13/2012 11:12:51 AM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: Tribune7

I meant to ping you to #35. Sorry.


36 posted on 01/13/2012 11:40:11 AM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: BlackElk
From the information I have seen (there is so much conflicting information floating around), Spanier is still a tenured faculty member.

If you have the time and care enough, here is a long but good read about how the Board of Trustees works at Penn State:

Reflections of a Former Trustee

37 posted on 01/13/2012 12:56:04 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: BlackElk
Very good post. Let's not forget that Spanier had long wanted Paterno out.

Do you think that being the ringleader of Penn State University's "gay friendly" transition as its president that he has acted to such a degree of moral turpitude as to deserve to have his tenure revoked and to be fired and banished from the university?

A better question is why was he hired to run the university in the first place?

The one's who made that decision knew what his agenda was.

38 posted on 01/13/2012 1:01:51 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: Scoutmaster

Very funny! Scary too!


39 posted on 01/13/2012 1:50:31 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Slap those Dems!




40 posted on 01/13/2012 3:02:36 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: BlackElk
It's curious, though, that Graham Spanier had no problem with discriminating against lesbians.

For about 30 years (a decade under Spanier), Penn State women's basketball coach Rene Portland had a known policy of not recruiting lesbians and of forcing lesbians off the Penn State team. Perhaps Portland got away with it because she was so successful (over 600 career wins).

And when I say a "known policy," it was known nationally. In 1991, a large media story quoting Penn State players about Portland's "no lesbians" recruiting policy. There was uproar and the Penn State Faculty Senate adding a sexual-orientation clause to its anti-discrimination policy that year. But nothing was done about Portland or her policy.

It was only in 2005, when Jennifer Harris, Lisa Etienne and Amber Bland were dismissed by Portland from the team immediately after Penn State lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament that things went awry. Portland was weeding out the lesbians again. This time, however, Harris sued (and later settled out of court). Spanier finally acted.

So Spanier had no problem with a coach discriminating against lesbians for a decade at the same time he's accused of welcoming GLBTEIEIO, and it being know about nationally, as long as the school was winning basketball games and nobody sued.

41 posted on 01/13/2012 3:29:05 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
I have heard a little bit about Rene Portland and her praiseworthy policy. Penn State sure does have a policy of keeping coaches in place for verrrry long tenures. I did a brief search on her name in response to your post. Apparently, she graduated in about 1975 from Immaculata College in Chester County, PA. The school is said to be Catholic. Nowadays, few are. OTOH, Rene Portland seems to have kept her faith (and mine) intact through four years there and 36 or so years since.

If the rest of the Penn State Athletic Department displayed her admirable and practical principles, Penn State would not be suffering the ignominy in which it is immersed today.

Just as universities should not be allowed to have police departments of their own because of obvious conflicts of interest for sworn officers, so the faculty of a university would best mind its academic business and try to convey advertised subject matter (hopefully consistent with Judaeo-Christian civilization) to students rather than posing as a politically correct "legislative body." That no one carried out their "policy" prohibiting "discrimination" on the basis of "sexual orientation" or recreational choice or whatever, is simply an indication that the faculty regards itself (themselves) as infinitely more important than more sensible folks regard them.

I think it would be a great idea if Portland were asked to return as university president, followed by resignation of the entire board of trustees and upper management, and let her choose all of their successors. Normal folks would then flock to Penn State once again. If any of the faculty don't like it, they should prove how much they truly care it by resigning and Rene Portland can screen applications for replacements.

I take it that the addition of EIEIO to GLBT is a humorous reference to Old MacDonald who had a farm?

42 posted on 01/14/2012 4:24:38 PM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: WPaCon; Scoutmaster

That is indeed a very good read. I hope that Mr. Novak is successful in his quest to return to the board and to see a number of trustees elected by the alumni/ae and the PA agricultural community. The status quo that he describes is one of incestuous cronyism among the existing trustees that ought to be viewed as responsible for the mess.


43 posted on 01/14/2012 5:41:54 PM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: BlackElk
I take it that the addition of EIEIO to GLBT is a humorous reference to Old MacDonald who had a farm?

Don't know that's it humorous, but I don't know where to stop with the letters. I've seen all kinds of letters added to GLBT. I've seen GLBTQI lately - Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning, Intersexed. That's not the only list.

44 posted on 01/14/2012 5:45:43 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: BlackElk

Glad you like Novak’s post and thank you for being a voice of reason on these threads.

I may actually post the article now as its own thread if it has not already been posted.


45 posted on 01/14/2012 6:13:07 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: BlackElk

Thank you sir; though I don’t agree with everything you said, you have written about this as thoughtfully and as intelligently as I’ve read from anyone on either side. I understand better now those who don’t call for Paterno’s head. And just for the record, I’d be happy to see Spanier hang.


46 posted on 01/17/2012 6:34:15 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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