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Giuliani To Gingrich: "What The Hell Are You Doing, Newt?"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/12/giuliani_to_gingrich_what_the_hell_are_you_doing_newt.html ^

Posted on 01/12/2012 2:35:21 PM PST by joe212

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To: Mister Da
re: The current Pub candidates for Pres. are surely a pathetic bunch.

I agree, and with the rest of your post. The only one I was excited about was Michelle Bachman. Some people just have the right instincts and Bachman is one of them.

I was fully aware of her lack of experience and thin resume, and it eventually caught up with her. Other than Bachman, I liked Cain's 9-9-9...

With the lemons we have left, we just need to make a lemonade, get Obama out of there...

51 posted on 01/12/2012 3:42:53 PM PST by joe212
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well he has to defend the vulture capitalist that funded his campaigns like Carl Icahn etc.


52 posted on 01/12/2012 3:46:47 PM PST by marty60
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To: joe212
If you recall 2008 nomination, there is no love lost between Rudy and Romney. Romney was consistently attacking Rudy, debate after debate. Romney probably cost Rudy the nomination, and election.

I think on this criticism, Rudy is doing it out or principle.


And Rick Perry was a big part of Giuliani's campaign, which surprised me to hear him criticizing Perry today. In the article Giuliani describes him as still being a close friend, so for once Rudy maybe doing something on principle.
53 posted on 01/12/2012 3:47:45 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: ngat

yes. It is exactly what Newt,s point is.

Newt in the real reagan conservative.


54 posted on 01/12/2012 3:48:21 PM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: joe212

Was Giuliani wearing a dress, heels and a wig when he made this demand?


55 posted on 01/12/2012 3:51:05 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Interestingly enough, Rudy failed to attack his buddy Perry for saying the same thing about Romney.


56 posted on 01/12/2012 3:53:35 PM PST by rintense
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To: Logical me

Agree with you Rush has been boring and wrong this time around...taking a sabbical from listening to him....its better than sitting and calling him a jackass on Lets not fight Romney any way except the way I think it should be done..


57 posted on 01/12/2012 3:56:00 PM PST by goat granny
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To: swampfox101
I hope Newt keeps getting back in the faces of Giuliani, Rush Limbaugh, Mitt Romney, Karl Rove, and others who have been cheerleading for Mitt Romney.

Stop spreading misinformation.

Giuliani said in this very video that he prefers Newt to Romney. And, as for Rush, here he is last October flat-out stating that Romney is not a conservative:

Romney is not a conservative. He's not, folks. You can argue with me all day long on that, but he isn't. What he has going for him is that he's not Obama and that he is doing incredibly well in the debates because he's done it a long time. He's very seasoned. He never makes a mistake, and he's going to keep winning these things if he never makes a mistake. It's that simple. But I'm not personally ready to settle on anybody yet -- and I know that neither are most of you, and I also know that most of you do not want this over now, before we've even had a single primary!

58 posted on 01/12/2012 3:56:07 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: fight_truth_decay; DJ MacWoW

My apologies. Seems he did go after everyone, including Perry.


59 posted on 01/12/2012 3:56:26 PM PST by rintense
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To: joe212
If you recall 2008 nomination, there is no love lost between Rudy and Romney. Romney was consistently attacking Rudy, debate after debate. Romney probably cost Rudy the nomination, and election.

The 2008 Roots of Rudy's Beef With Romney

Giuliani ran an awful campaign, though. If he lost, it wasn't anybody else's fault.

I don't know if you were here back then, but there was a lot of hostility to Giuliani. People who say they'd never vote for Mitt today were saying the same thing about Rudy four years ago.

60 posted on 01/12/2012 3:57:36 PM PST by x
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To: marty60
Yeah. His friends would never forgive him.

The thing is, Romney is running as a businessman and touting what he did at Bain. There are some suspicious things there. But the elites and press are going bonkers because there are questions. The thing is, Romney invited the scrutiny by his claims. I don't get the hysteria about the questions. Everyone but Romney gets vetted?

61 posted on 01/12/2012 3:57:36 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: rintense
Re: Interestingly enough, Rudy failed to attack his buddy Perry for saying the same thing about Romney.

Yeah, I noticed that. While Gingrich backed off a bit, Perry has not. It may have to do with the fact that Perry and Rudy are apparently close friends (which I was not aware of).

62 posted on 01/12/2012 3:58:07 PM PST by joe212
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To: rintense

Yeah. Everybody is after Newt “the Plumber” Gingrich.


63 posted on 01/12/2012 3:59:04 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: trisham

notice how the gop will not let Mitt defend himself. They are so afraid if him providing the DNC with soundbites that sending out the minions to defend.

some of it there is no reasonable defense.

That is why they are so pist at Newt. He boxed them into a corner.


64 posted on 01/12/2012 3:59:44 PM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I hurled for days after zero was elected, and last night was my first political hurl since then.

Sure it won’t be the last.


65 posted on 01/12/2012 4:00:37 PM PST by txhurl (Why didn't mitt steamroll over us in '08, when it would have done some good?)
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To: rintense

Okay. So he went after Perry too. But look at this headline. They’re after Gingrich.


66 posted on 01/12/2012 4:02:45 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW; joe212
Oh no doubt they're after Newt, esp. as his numbers steadily go up.

Interestingly enough, not long ago, many speculated Perry would choose Rudy as his VP.

No thanks.

67 posted on 01/12/2012 4:05:29 PM PST by rintense
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To: rintense
No apology necessary..Not your fault--was how a story reported it..But Rudy was kind of confusing for his endorsements, did like his explanation of when, where and how he had to do what Mitt is accused of doing--is how it all works.

Maybe Rudy is hoping for a VP slot? Don't alienate anyone, just in case, the call comes in at 3am!

Later

68 posted on 01/12/2012 4:06:00 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: DJ MacWoW

It is getting clearer and clearer that this election is NOT about the American Citizens needs or aspirations. From the beginning this has been about getting one of THEIR OWN in the
WH. they thought Zero was their guy. Figured he was bought and paid for. OOPS, he was being led around by the radical ideologues.

Romney apparently convinced his buddies he was the guy.
Notice how ALL of the other candidates from Cain on have been destroyed by the media. etc. ONLY Romney has sat it out while everyone gets torn to shreds.

Will the voters get a clue? I am beginning to seriously doubt it.


69 posted on 01/12/2012 4:06:57 PM PST by marty60
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To: txhurl

We’re all going to be blowing chunks and taking aspirin for migraines by November!


70 posted on 01/12/2012 4:07:39 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: joe212

What I find in this twilight zone time is..you know if he and the other so called friends to Newt, would stop this pounding (and blowing this issue way out of proportion), Newt could do better with the undecided republican voter. They know Newt is not a Marxist. I suspect Rudy is only using this so he can get behind a moderate Romney.


71 posted on 01/12/2012 4:08:01 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: rintense

That would be suicide!


72 posted on 01/12/2012 4:08:33 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Reagan69

notice how the gop will not let Mitt defend himself.


YES. Great catch. Mitt has not had to defend one charge except in debates.


73 posted on 01/12/2012 4:08:39 PM PST by txhurl (Why didn't mitt steamroll over us in '08, when it would have done some good?)
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To: marty60
Will the voters get a clue? I am beginning to seriously doubt it.

Unfortunately I agree. Wish that I didn't.

The pressies want Romney to run against Obama because they can destroy him.

74 posted on 01/12/2012 4:12:32 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: x
Good article. Kind of reinforces what some of us said here, that Rudy is not criticizing Newt as a favor to Romney. He does it because that's what he believes.

BTW, in 2008, I supported Rudy. I live in NYC, he was my mayor, and he did a great job - governing as a conservative in a totally liberal city. Not just that. He has talent (like Reagan, Christie) to be able to persuade people who starts out completely hostile to anything conservative to actually supporting conservative positions.

This is what we need in a political leader, someone who can persuade people, who can win an argument. Not just someone who can win the presidency on basis of the minimum number of conservative states.

Paradoxically, I think Gingrich may have that talent as well...

75 posted on 01/12/2012 4:15:25 PM PST by joe212
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To: TitansAFC
"""""I am SICK and damn TIRED of yet ANOTHER Newt pile-on going on with the Establishment GOP, Team Romney, and the GOP media. Enough of your bullcrap! Enough of your Romney talking points! Enough!"""""

Me too, there is something definately wrong with what is going on. Me thinks they are all CORP. whores who do not want their playhouse disturbed and NEWT is doing just that.

THEY ALL have some skin in the Romney shuffle of businesses, if the truth ever gets exposed as to what their extent in everything is, there will be a REVOLUTION.

The chickens have come home to roost, and Romney is their rooster.

GO NEWT and keep telling it like it is, you have nothing to lose now. You know where all the skeletons are and who put them there, let it all out, you can't play Nice any longer. We are in some serious trouble in America and you are the only one who can HELP us.

76 posted on 01/12/2012 4:21:30 PM PST by annieokie
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To: joe212
That's right, Newt. Take advice from a candidate who got less delegates than Duncan Hunter in 2008.

Meanwhile, the left is already salivating at the prospect of running against this:

When Mitt Romney Came to Town
77 posted on 01/12/2012 4:25:21 PM PST by Antoninus (Defeat Romney--Defeat Obama.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

See post 67 re VP slot.


78 posted on 01/12/2012 4:25:48 PM PST by rintense
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To: Logical me
I'm with you 100%. Rush is off the deep end.

Agreed. He's nuts to try to defend Romney on this stuff. It's political suicide. Everything Romney did with Bain will come under a microscope and the result will be putrid, particularly in this economic climate.

Romney's history as a corporate raider will validate every unfair criticism the left has ever leveled against Republicans.
79 posted on 01/12/2012 4:28:06 PM PST by Antoninus (Defeat Romney--Defeat Obama.)
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To: joe212
Yeah, I noticed that. While Gingrich backed off a bit, Perry has not. It may have to do with the fact that Perry and Rudy are apparently close friends (which I was not aware of).

Are you being sarcastic? Rick Perry campaigned hard for Rudy Giuliani for President, and Giuliani's lawfirm was working o Trans-Texas Corridor issues and trying to help get it built. They are very good friends.
80 posted on 01/12/2012 4:28:27 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: joe212
Reading the comments, It is clear that hatred of Romney is so powerful here that supposedly intelligent people will agree with Newt Gingrich & Barrack Obama on the subject of FAIRNESS, as if such nonsense existed.

I cannot support Mitt Romney. He has changed positions on very important issues too many times. I do not trust that he will do what he says. He is surely a crony capitalist & lying RINO. His goal is to enrich & empower himself, his family, friends, & cronies, at the expense of this country & its people.

But, what Bain Capital does is a normal, if unhappy, process that occurs all the time in the business world. The truth is, businesses fail, & management has no idea how to deal with it. That failure can be complete bankruptcy, where workers, suppliers, debtors, & investors all lose nearly everything. Companies like Bain can mitigate such a disaster, saving what is salvageable & discarding what is not. It is a risky business that often loses in the attempted salvage.

The loss of jobs in these situations is inevitable. Bankruptcy will surely end all jobs. Mergers & acquisitions often mean the loss of jobs. Are mergers & acquisitions more demonic aspects of free enterprise? Should we restrict a business's ability to relocate, as in the NRLB?Boeing dispute, because of the impact on workers? The very nature of capitalism is the fluidity of businesses to open or close, grow or fail, merge or split. The more you regulate a business, the weaker it becomes.

Gingrich & Obama would have us accept their notion that the jobs are more important than the business. That we should support failing businesses - GM & Chrysler are examples - for the worker's sake. Pure socialism! That, barring gov’t support, it is better to let a business completely collapse, than to bring in someone who can salvage something, including some of the jobs.

Folks, this is pure pandering to all the workers out there who fear they might lose their jobs. What in Hades do you think Newt & Obama can do to help you keep your job, as if they really even cared?

Conservative Pubs will regret this line of attack on Romney, as it will be used by Rats to continue to vilify business & free enterprise, no matter who wins the Pub nomination.

81 posted on 01/12/2012 4:29:14 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Reagan69
WORTH REPEATING:

""""Reagan said this didn’t bother him at all. “Let him have the Fortune 500,” he said. “I want our campaign to stand for Main Street, not Wall Street. I want us to stand for the worker, the shopkeeper, the entrepreneur, and the small businessman.” Reagan’s instincts were right on the mark."""""

Newt needs to borrow that.

82 posted on 01/12/2012 4:33:12 PM PST by annieokie
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To: af_vet_rr

I am not disagreeing with you. All I am saying that I was not aware of this (that Perry and Rudy are friends).


83 posted on 01/12/2012 4:40:26 PM PST by joe212
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To: Mister Da
Conservative Pubs will regret this line of attack on Romney, as it will be used by Rats to continue to vilify business & free enterprise, no matter who wins the Pub nomination.

This is NOT about capitalism. ROMNEY uses his "job" in the private sector and invited the scrutiny. When you run for office using a life experience, people WILL look at it. He REFUSES to address anything about it. It's off limits. But he USES it.

Are you really saying that everyone gets vetted but Romney?!

Oh and, there's this.

Dems Prepare To Hammer Romney With The REAL Bain Onslaught (Newt's ad just the appetizer)

Do you really think the Dems don't have ALL the dirt on Romney?

84 posted on 01/12/2012 4:42:17 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Do you really think the Dems don't have ALL the dirt on Romney?

There is a big difference between a communist Michael More making an argument against free market and Gingrich / Perry making that argument. Liberals in media are masters in using fools from our side to make their arguments....

85 posted on 01/12/2012 4:49:53 PM PST by joe212
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To: cynwoody

Today Giuliani appeared with John McCain and they were bashing Newt for his stance on Bain Captial, jus as Rush Limbaugh and others have been doing.

These guys (Rush, McCain, Guiliani and others) can’t defend Bain Captial and Mitt Romney unless they move to the left and that’s what they have done. They have sold thier soul and the conservatives out to the CRONY CAPTIALIST.

Rush Limbaugh is talking out boths sides of his mouth on this issue, he has moved to the left...! Why? Is it bacause Bain Captial owns many of the stations Rush is on...? Just asking....!


86 posted on 01/12/2012 4:51:15 PM PST by swampfox101 (s)
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To: joe212
So you think that Romney shouldn't be thoroughly vetted NOW? Is that what you're saying? He touts his job but no one should actually look?!

This is NOT about capitalism. It is about Romney being dishonest and slimy. Are you stating that he's a dishonest politician but squeeky clean businessman?!

87 posted on 01/12/2012 4:56:23 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

There is one question that I have about this whole dustup. Why was there no condemnation of Romney when he was spending millions in Iowa lying about Newt?


88 posted on 01/12/2012 6:00:43 PM PST by WVNan (!)
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To: WVNan

The Republican elites protect Romney. He’s been chosen as McCain was. The Dems and the media want him as the nominee. They’ll eat him alive.


89 posted on 01/12/2012 6:04:23 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: TitansAFC; onyx; Jim Robinson

Ping to post #4


90 posted on 01/12/2012 6:11:41 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I think I made my distaste for Romney very clear.

There is a difference in vetting a candidate for his political positions, & criticizing a standard business practice because someone you happen to hate worked in that area.

I suppose if Romney had been an undertaker, we would be vetting his creepy job, & speculating if he had spent more time with female cadavers vs. male.

This kind of “vetting” indirectly vilifies an entire industry, which plays right into the hands of ignorant socialists. Obama must be gleeful to see so-called conservatives attacking free enterprise practices.

What Romney & Bain Capital did with failing companies was not illegal, nor ethically wrong, & has been a standard business practice for longer than I know. Only socialists consider these practices as wrong. I'm not siding with socialists against ANYBODY.

In Romney's case, attacking him on guns, abortion, taxes, gay marriage, big gov’t, & Obamacare makes it easy to avoid attacking him on free enterprise. Only a guy like Gingrich, who is just as squishy as Romney on the above list, needs to raise the issue of mean ol’ Romney & his capitalist company.

What a crock of BS.

91 posted on 01/12/2012 6:28:04 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da
He is using his "business" experience as a point to run on. It damn well SHOULD be explored.

You talk a lot but don't listen.

Bye.

92 posted on 01/12/2012 6:55:51 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Mister Da

I’m totally with Rudy on this.


93 posted on 01/12/2012 6:58:02 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: joe212
I just don't know why some people here are so anti-Romney that they are willing to shoot themselves in the foot to kill the fly on their toe.

There are so many really good political reasons to reject Romney, I just don't know why folks choose a complicated subject that so many people misunderstand.

To me, it is like scrutinizing a surgeon that had to do some amputations to save the patients. I suppose the surgeon takes some grim satisfaction in an amputation done well, even though he knows he has left the patient a cripple. And he is paid well for his services, & often thanked afterward.

But who goes back to the doctor & says, "I've talked to some friends & your competition, & though they weren't there & didn't know the circumstances, they think maybe the amputation was wrong".

Sarah P was my only hope for a candidate who had not yet sold her soul to Satan in exchange for power & wealth. I liked Cain until he couldn't/wouldn't explain the money given to the women. The rest are already bought & sold. So, I am w/o a candidate to support.

94 posted on 01/12/2012 7:05:57 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Feel free to side with socialists & nannies as often as you like.


95 posted on 01/12/2012 7:10:09 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: joe212

Where was Rudy when Willard was smearing Newt in Iowa?


96 posted on 01/12/2012 7:13:48 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: sand lake bar
Yes, I thought he made an excellent argument against this line of attack.

The less clever among us are just happy to be attacking Romney, & care nothing about collateral damage. It's almost a mob mentality, & it distracts us from the real issues.

Nobody is pinning Romney down on abortion, gay marriage, gun control, jobs, the debt, ..... Nobody is stepping up with good solutions to our many bad problems. Nobody is attacking Obama. It is becoming another Donner Pass Pub Primary, & the Left is loving it.

97 posted on 01/12/2012 7:27:57 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da
Romney’s Bain Capital Made Billions While Bankrupting Nearly One-Quarter Of The Companies It Invested In

By Pat Garofalo on Jan 9, 2012 at 9:25 am

2012 GOP presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney, who has a large lead in the polls heading into the New Hampshire primary tomorrow, has been taking heat from both Democrats and his Republican challengers for his time at Bain Capital, the private equity firm that he headed. Bain’s modus operandi was to invest in companies, leverage them up with debt, and then sell them off for scrap, allowing Bain’s investors to walk away with huge profits while the companies in which Bain invested wound up in bankruptcy, laying off workers and reneging on benefits.

Last week, Reuters profiled one company, Worldwide Grinding Systems, that went belly up after Bain invested in it. The company not only lost 750 jobs, but the federal government had to come in to bail out its pension fund, while Bain walked away with millions in profits.

And according to an analysis by the Wall Street Journal, this was far from an isolated incident. In fact, 22 percent of the companies in which Bain invested wound up either in bankruptcy or shutting their doors entirely, while Bain itself has made billions of dollars for its investors:

The Wall Street Journal, aiming for a comprehensive assessment, examined 77 businesses Bain invested in while Mr. Romney led the firm from its 1984 start until early 1999, to see how they fared during Bain’s involvement and shortly afterward.

Among the findings: 22% either filed for bankruptcy reorganization or closed their doors by the end of the eighth year after Bain first invested, sometimes with substantial job losses. An additional 8% ran into so much trouble that all of the money Bain invested was lost. [...]

The Journal analysis shows that in total, Bain produced about $2.5 billion in gains for its investors in the 77 deals, on about $1.1 billion invested. Overall, Bain recorded roughly 50% to 80% annual gains in this period, which experts said was among the best track records for buyout firms in that era.

Adding insult to injury, Bain would hide its profits in tax havens, not even paying the rate it was supposed to on the profits it made laying off workers.

Federal aid

The US Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp, which insures company retirement plans, determined in 2002 that GS (Steel) had underfunded its pension by $US44 million. The federal agency, funded by corporate levies, stepped in to cover the basic pension payments, but not the supplement the union had negotiated as a hedge against the plant's closure.

For Joe Soptic, who worked at the plant for 28 years, that meant a loss of $US283 per month, about 22 per cent of his pension. Others lost up to $US400 per month, according to documents supplied by the union.

Comparatively, the GS bailout was one of the pension guarantor's smaller hits. The federal fund swung from a $US7.7 billion surplus to a $US3.6 billion deficit that year as it struggled to cover bankruptcies in the steel and transportation industries. The failure of LTV Steel, for example, cost the agency $US1.9 billion.

The agency's woes prompted Congress in 2006 to require companies to contribute more toward their pensions. Press accounts said this change accelerated the shift away from pension plans toward 401(k)s and other defined-contribution retirement plans that offer less security for workers.

98 posted on 01/12/2012 7:56:15 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: ez
The U.S. Cannot Have A Private Equity President, Mitt Romney - Forbes

First, is just one tale of a Bain deal under Romney. Bain invested just $30 million to take over a company. It then arranged for this company to pay Bain and its investors a special dividend of $180 million– or six times the amount of equity capital Bain invested to take control. This technique of forcing your prey to pay back your original investment or more, as in this case, is to ensure that the Private Equity Firm is assured of a profit. It is an exploitative way to strip the company of its spare cash and is indefensible corporate rape. It is one selfish and destructive way to play the Private Equity game. For the average holding period by a PE firm is somewhere between 3 and 5 years– in and out with little thought as to the long term performance of the company or the protection of its employees.

99 posted on 01/12/2012 8:35:24 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
The nature of Private Equity is to be ruthless, and only care about using as much borrowed money as possible in order to gin up the potential return on equity. That’s the only way Blackstone and Apollo and Carlyle and KKR and TPG and the rest can go around claiming investment returns of 30% to 45% a year. It’s game to make a handful of executives named Schwarzman, Rubenstein, Kravis, James, Bonderman and their ilk very rich using other people’s money, namely state and local pension funds.

Nice find.

100 posted on 01/12/2012 9:01:42 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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