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Democrats blast fetus 'personhood' bill in Va. House
The Virginia Pilot/Hampton Road.com ^ | 1/12/2012 | Bill Sizemore

Posted on 01/12/2012 4:58:48 PM PST by blueyon

Democrats staged a pre-emptive rhetorical strike today against Republican legislation that they said seeks to outlaw abortion and might even put some forms of birth control in legal jeopardy.

Del. Bob Marshall’s “personhood” bill, HB1 – the first piece of legislation introduced in the House this session – says that from the moment of conception, unborn children have “all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of this Commonwealth.”

In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, Democratic lawmakers pounced on the bill.

Del. Charniele Herring, D-Alexandria, called it “reckless and divisive” and “an abhorrent attack on women’s rights.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: abortion; bobmarshall; democrat; obama; personhood; proaborts; prolife; vageneralassembly
CALL CALL CALL you rep in Virginia! Let them know where you stand
1 posted on 01/12/2012 4:58:55 PM PST by blueyon
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To: blueyon
This is the loophole in Roe v. Wade. SCOTUS refused to determine when life begins.
The problem here, is, the law could always change back again whenever the RATS become in the majority.
2 posted on 01/12/2012 5:03:08 PM PST by stylin19a (obama - "FREDO" smart)
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To: blueyon

After this passes, will the unborn have the right to carry firearms and have to pay taxes?

I believe our legislature could find more significant matters to focus on.


3 posted on 01/12/2012 5:07:34 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: stylin19a

“This is the loophole in Roe v. Wade. SCOTUS refused to determine when life begins.
The problem here, is, the law could always change back again whenever the RATS become in the majority. “

Yes it could change back BUT since the RATS are not the majority right now and what those evil people may do in the future isn’t why one does not right a wrong if they can now, this needs to PASS


4 posted on 01/12/2012 5:10:55 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: KoRn

Del. Charniele Herring, D-Alexandria is a Fascist Pig. That’s of significant concern. Her district probably isn’t going to dump her, but let’s see if she can toss a terminal Leftwingtard Hissie Fit.


5 posted on 01/12/2012 5:11:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: KoRn

“. . . LIFE, Liberty and . . .”

“. . . to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, . . .”

IIRC, drafted by one of Virginia’s favorite sons.


6 posted on 01/12/2012 5:19:54 PM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: blueyon; All
Don't you just love this word, "abhorrent" that the pro-abortion group has discovered?

On another thread today posted by Kaslin, the same word was used by abortion proponents in connection with another related matter. My post there was:

To see a live image of a child in the womb challenges the mother to rethink a position that represents the status quo among those who are in power today.

The fact that counterfeit ideas about life and its meaning have been promoted for several decades makes the decision for abortion a difficult one.

Many of us struggle with the questions, "What is my purpose for being?" and "Am I fulfilling the 'purpose' of my being?"

During the 2008 Presidental campaign, seeing little Trig Palin on television, a compelling thought came to mind:

"This child is achieving a purpose which far exceeds anything many of us will work for decades to achieve."

Without saying a word, but just by being, his bright little face rebukes and challenges. Carried by a proud and loving father, a mother, a sister or brother, he confronted in a way that no pious words from a pulpit or podium can confront.

And, that is why they hated the mother.

During the Christmas Holy Days (holidays), there are reminders of another innocent and guileless child whose very birth challenged a King, and whose simple message as an adult could not be tolerated, because it challenged the status quo and power structure of His day. And they hated him. Today, in America, His name simply must be removed from the title of the season.

A 240-pound quarterback Heisman Trophy winner publicly thanks his mother for allowing him life. From that point on, as a highly visibly college and pro player, he publicly acknowledges his Creator, and their attempts at ridicule are shrill and hateful. What he represents is "abhorrent," because he is a living symbol for what may be millions of outstanding athletes, world leaders, healing physicians, discoverers, musicians and artists whose lives were interrupted before they began.

Allow technology to reveal that a child is being created inside the womb, and those who have foisted the idea of a mere bit of flesh being called a "fetus" cannot contain their anger. To them, such knowledge is "abhorrent" because it exposes the fraudulent idea they call "choice."

7 posted on 01/12/2012 5:20:45 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: muawiyah
When our country regains its moral principles, Roe vs Wade will be overturned.

Kinda like a joke...Prohibition was another womens issue. Smoking was the third.

So, the most abominable of all the issues and women are free to kill. Unbelievable.

8 posted on 01/12/2012 5:24:11 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: blueyon
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I know it's a quaint notion, but if we are to regard the Constitution as a binding legal document, the inclusion of the word "posterity" should extend its protections not only to those in the womb, but even to those not yet conceived.
9 posted on 01/12/2012 5:24:11 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem. meum)
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To: blueyon

Any Virginia Democrat who opens his or her trap about this and against it, should be analyzed for any advocacy, campaigns, votes, etc. they have done on behalf of ANIMAL rights.


10 posted on 01/12/2012 5:33:45 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Will FREE REPUBLIC in 2012, morph slowly before our very own eyes, from CONSERVATIVE to R.I.N.O.????)
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To: Sacajaweau

All the significant founders of the Suffrage Movement were vehemently opposed to abortion rightly seeing it as a means of exploiting women. Of course, they were all Republicans, too though no one will ever learn this from the “educators”.


11 posted on 01/12/2012 5:45:22 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: KoRn
I believe our legislature could find more significant matters to focus on.

What do you call "more significant" than protecting the life of a baby?

12 posted on 01/12/2012 6:24:06 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: loveliberty2
it exposes the fraudulent idea they call "choice."

"Fraudulent"?

It is a choice made by more than a million women in the United States each year.

13 posted on 01/12/2012 6:26:38 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: arrogantsob
All the significant founders of the Suffrage Movement were vehemently opposed to abortion

That is a myth. Like all feminists, they were opposed to women being legally liable for their own actions.

14 posted on 01/12/2012 6:28:57 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: DNA.2012
"What do you call "more significant" than protecting the life of a baby?"

This will do nothing to "save babies". It's just another law, on top of all the rest. People will do what they wish, regardless of what anyone thinks about it, or what the law mandates. You could pass a law banning ALL abortions, and women will still have them. It's a waste of time IMO, to create laws intended to change human behavior, particularly on moral issues.

15 posted on 01/12/2012 6:29:27 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn
You could pass a law banning ALL abortions, and women will still have them.

Actually, many would be deterred by legal penalties. Very simple cause and effect.

It's a waste of time IMO, to create laws intended to change human behavior, particularly on moral issues.

"Thou Shalt Not Steal". Stealing is morally wrong. Look, stealing is a religious and a moral issue! Do you object to laws against people stealing from you???

16 posted on 01/12/2012 6:33:26 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: KoRn

Are you a nurse?


17 posted on 01/12/2012 6:37:12 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: DNA.2012
"Do you object to laws against people stealing from you??? "

No, and I don't really object to this law. I just think it's a waste of good time.

Anyone that would want to steal from either of us will try to do so, regardless of what the law dictates. As they say, "locks are for honest people". Just as with laws.

18 posted on 01/12/2012 6:45:08 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: blueyon

Demomarxists are afraid that fetus would be more of a person then they would.


19 posted on 01/12/2012 6:47:04 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: blueyon

Delegate Herring said the bill was reckless and “divisive.” I guess she knows all about divisive, because isn’t that often the procedure practiced in abortion? Isn’t the baby “divided” in order to remove it from the womb?

Dear God, I hate the left.


20 posted on 01/12/2012 6:51:49 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: DNA.2012
In answer to your question about the phrase, . . . the fraudulent idea of "choice":

We know that the word "choice," as used in "pro-choice," is just code for "abortion," as in "pro-abortion" rights.

In that sense, the political advocates of "choice," really mean "abortion," not "choice."

Else, they would respect and give equal value to people who choose life and pro-life positions.

For that reason, promoting abortion as choice is simply a fraudulent idea, isn't it?

21 posted on 01/12/2012 6:57:37 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: KoRn

personhood is a back door to outlawing all contraceptions.


22 posted on 01/13/2012 7:47:36 AM PST by goat granny
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