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Texas Lawmakers Accidentally Omit 2 License Plate Law
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Posted on 01/12/2012 8:00:53 PM PST by Orange1998

DALLAS - Vehicles in Texas must display both front and back license plates. It’s been a state law since 1934. But lawmakers in rewriting the state transportation code recently made what could be a serious omission.

“Absolutely it is a potentially very big problem,” said Robert Gregg, a criminal defense and personal injury attorney. “The issue is not whether it is a fine. That’s where we start. The issue is whether or not it’s a crime.”

The old law read, “A person commits an offense if the person operates… a passenger car or commercial motor vehicle that does not display two license plates at the front and rear of the vehicle.”

In the new bill passed into law on the last day of the session that language was accidentally struck from the measure.

“Problem is they didn’t move it over to the new section, therefore it’s not a crime,” Gregg said.

And if the offense is no crime, law enforcement officials may no longer be able to pull people over for it.

“It is fairly common. Unfortunately in this state people don’t really adhere to the two plate rule like they should. They put a lot of their school logos or their favorite football or baseball team and it is against the law. It is a crime,” said Sgt. Don Pertiz with the Dallas County Sheriff's Department.

Pertiz said the law is often used as a tool to stop criminals on the streets.

“You’d be surprised how many offenses we uncover that start with no front license plate,” he said.

Trying to rectify the wrong, El Paso lawmaker Joe Pickett, who wrote the bill, has asked the attorney general for an opinion on whether it is a Class C misdemeanor not to display two license plates on a motor vehicle.

“Most times they don’t give you a ticket for this so the issue of not having a fine is not really it. The issue is they’ve taken out that it’s an offense. It’s not an offense. They can’t use it to pull somebody over, which they use it every day all day long,” Gregg said.

Pertiz said officers will likely continue to issue tickets based on the original law and let the courts worry about it.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cops; texas; tx
Pertiz said officers will likely continue to issue tickets based on the original law and let the courts worry about it.

I guess Sgt Pertiz thinks nothing of citizens rights under the law.

1 posted on 01/12/2012 8:01:04 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

What about the cars from Indianner, Floriduh and Pennsyltucky?


2 posted on 01/12/2012 8:03:01 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'm not cut out to suffer fools like this.)
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To: Orange1998
Pertiz said the law is often used as a tool to stop criminals on the streets.

“You’d be surprised how many offenses we uncover that start with no front license plate,” he said.

So what this is saying isn't that the front plate solves crime. But that using a missing plate as an excuse to stop people does.

By that reasoning, if they would just randomly stop folks and make them show their papers, they could probably solve even more crimes.

3 posted on 01/12/2012 8:07:28 PM PST by farmguy
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To: Orange1998

I had a 76 Chevy camaro (last camaro with Chrome bumpers). no place to put a front license plate. I bought the car in Louisiana and moverd back to Texas, unaware of the law and my crime being ‘long hair’. Needless to say I drilled 2 holes in that sucka and mounted my extra Texas plate....Don’t mess with Texas (Highway Patrol)


4 posted on 01/12/2012 8:10:42 PM PST by corbe (mystified)
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To: Orange1998

I hate the front license plate thing. One of the things that annoyed me moving to Texas, as well as the nighttime speed limits, which thankfully are now gone.

Time to get with everybody else. One license plate is just fine. And why must I clutter the front of my car with your state stickers when they can go on the plate like they did in Kansas?

Texas is nice, but lots of silly and absurd ways of doing things here as well....


5 posted on 01/12/2012 8:11:36 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Orange1998

“You’d be surprised how many offenses we uncover that start with no front license plate,” he said.

So the law is more important as a foot in the door or a
nose in the hen house than a real threat to the safety
of other motorist? This is truly an official statement
of the police state.


6 posted on 01/12/2012 8:14:14 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Orange1998

Cars of folks in the ‘bubble’ weren’t subject to the law, anyway. It only was applied to normal folks.


7 posted on 01/12/2012 8:19:48 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Orange1998
And if the offense is no crime, law enforcement officials may no longer be able to pull people over for it.
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Pertiz said officers will likely continue to issue tickets based on the original law and let the courts worry about it.

Lets see if I have this right. We now have a situation where there is no law on the books, but the police will charge citizens anyway. Conversely, we have a president who ignores a law on the books and appoints who he wants as if the Senate is in recess when it isn't. I guess it all comes down to the law being a cudgel with which to beat the citizenry.

8 posted on 01/12/2012 8:20:04 PM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: Orange1998
“A person commits an offense if the person operates… a passenger car or commercial motor vehicle that does not display two license plates at the front and rear of the vehicle.”

Need to display 2 license plates on the front and rear? Hmmm?

9 posted on 01/12/2012 8:20:35 PM PST by rawhide
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To: Orange1998

I just wish the LEOs would bust nitwits who don’t have working brake lights. Screw a bunch of plates.


10 posted on 01/12/2012 8:21:21 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: rwfromkansas
And why must I clutter the front of my car with your state stickers when they can go on the plate like they did in Kansas?

That's a good law. When they were on the plate, the illegals would just steal a license plate. Now they have to go to the expense of buying counterfeit stickers. It's really cut down on license plate theft.

11 posted on 01/12/2012 8:21:54 PM PST by PAR35
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To: rwfromkansas

We used to have state stickers on the plates. Thieves found a way to peel them off and reapply to another vehicle. Welcome to Texas! Hopefully you moved to Houston, plenty jobs.


12 posted on 01/12/2012 8:23:12 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: West Texas Chuck

You be surprised how many are pulled over for License Plate light out.


13 posted on 01/12/2012 8:26:09 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

awesome! here’s hoping they don’t bother to rectify this oversight.


14 posted on 01/12/2012 8:30:04 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

There is an estimated 24,326,974 registered cars in Texas. Just think how much this saves the State.


15 posted on 01/12/2012 8:35:01 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: rwfromkansas

I-35 goes north as well as south.


16 posted on 01/12/2012 8:35:34 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: Orange1998

BFD.


17 posted on 01/12/2012 8:40:15 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: rwfromkansas

You better not get caught with wire cutters either...


18 posted on 01/12/2012 8:44:19 PM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: Orange1998

Just goes to show lawmakers don’t read the bills they vote for half the time.


19 posted on 01/12/2012 8:46:38 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> - - -)
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To: Paladin2

Yup until you are pulled over and knowing the law saves you or family member some money.


20 posted on 01/12/2012 8:47:39 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: rwfromkansas; Orange1998
Time to get with everybody else. One license plate is just fine. And why must I clutter the front of my car with your state stickers when they can go on the plate like they did in Kansas?

They used to go on the rear license plates, but some people figured out how to peal them off intact and steal them so they could put them on their own cars. Even if caught they only could be charged with a misdemeanor. The sticker that goes on the inside of the windshield has the license plate number printed on it. Not only would it be suspicious to have a sticker that doesn't match the license plate for most cars it would be required to break into the car to steal the sticker. That's breaking and entering which is a felony.

21 posted on 01/12/2012 8:48:17 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: smokingfrog

And most of them lawmakers are attorneys.


22 posted on 01/12/2012 8:48:43 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

I believe that this Attorney General, Greg Abbott, will say that if there’s no law, there’s no way to break the law.


23 posted on 01/12/2012 8:49:09 PM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org: Have mustard seed & I'm not afraid to use it. 2 men inherited a Bush economy.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
That's breaking and entering which is a felony.

I think the law changed breaking and entering vehicle to misdemeanor.

24 posted on 01/12/2012 8:51:16 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

Its a stupid law to begin with and cops admit it is just used as an excuse to stop (hassle) people.

And it really says something that they KNOW it is now not a crime, but they will still stop and ticket people anyway and make them go to court.


25 posted on 01/12/2012 9:17:02 PM PST by packrat35 (When will we admit we are know almost a police state?)
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To: Orange1998; blam

Let’s see now, One in the front and 1 in the back. (So far so good).

(Here is where it gets difficult). One plus 1 = one 1. That WAS easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


26 posted on 01/12/2012 9:18:46 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Orange1998

So, is it all about the $$$$, or is there some real criminality involved?


27 posted on 01/12/2012 9:21:01 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Do you really want me to answer that Paladin :). We all know the truth, its about the money.


28 posted on 01/12/2012 9:38:38 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998
Our "representative" gov't is all bout the $$$?

Say it ain't so Joe.

29 posted on 01/12/2012 9:48:49 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Orange1998

Well, our part time legislature here in Texas doesn’t meet again for another year - so the only option (other than not worrying about it) is to call a special session.

Now, knowing our governor, don’t be surprised if he calls that special session and adds Sanctuary City legislation to it...just as he did last June...then to just have his lackies in the state legislature ‘forget’ to bring it up until it was too late (just as last June).

...and people wonder why I have a problem with my governor. If you LOVE Illegals, just make your case, don’t be two-faced about it.


30 posted on 01/12/2012 10:15:14 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: BobL

Perry is a terrible GOV right you are. He doles out the promises during election and then goes back to the same ole cronyism after election.


31 posted on 01/12/2012 10:18:53 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

“Perry is a terrible GOV right you are. He doles out the promises during election and then goes back to the same ole cronyism after election.”

Someone agrees!!! The Perry Girls try to make me think that I’m the ONLY Texas Republican that has a problem with him (standard Alinsky tactic).

I guess not...LOL.


32 posted on 01/12/2012 10:22:55 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Interesting info. I did not know that. It helps make sense then.


33 posted on 01/12/2012 10:38:05 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rwfromkansas
Interesting info. I did not know that. It helps make sense then.

After it happened to me I started using a razor blade to score the license plate stickers so they couldn't be removed in one piece.

34 posted on 01/12/2012 11:14:59 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Orange1998

What people don’t realize is that if it already isn’t happening it will soon that you won’t need a license plate, your vehicle will have a transponder instead, just like aircraft and an ident squak.

Trooper aims a signal at you and the code is flashed on his screen, no more iced over plates or plate swapping.

Look for this when pay per mile taxation starts.


35 posted on 01/12/2012 11:21:21 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: West Texas Chuck
I just wish the LEOs would bust nitwits who don’t have working brake lights

And all those broken hand drivers not using Blinkers.

36 posted on 01/12/2012 11:32:24 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: packrat35

“Its a stupid law to begin with and cops admit it is just used as an excuse to stop (hassle) people.”

Here in Northern California our Chief of Police told me that stopping someone for not having a front plate is known as the”chicken$hit stop.” You only use it when you want to mess with the driver. The legislature has tried to go to one plate because the second one costs the state a bundle, but the “cop lobby” always manages to defeat it.


37 posted on 01/13/2012 1:29:12 AM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Orange1998
“You’d be surprised how many offenses we uncover that start with no front license plate,” he said.

And he'll be surprised how many people will go free!

Everything the cops find after a stop automatically becomes an illegal seizure because the 'probable cause' excuse they use no longer exists.

38 posted on 01/13/2012 4:01:06 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the law of Man)
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To: MamaTexan

effective Feb 1 they must print license plates in braille so that the visually impaired can locate their cars, ( must be labeled frnt & back ) dont want any lawsuits like Redbox got slammed with.


39 posted on 01/13/2012 5:09:59 AM PST by Einherjar
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To: Orange1998

I am convinced that to get in the legislature these people have half their brains sucked out through their ear!

Mass has gone back and forth from two plates to one plate (I still have the green onesie plate) back to two plates. They have plates so cheaply made the paint fades (wonder who’s cousin got that contract), motorcycle plates where the holes in the plate didn’t align with the bracket on any ‘cycle ever made, inspection stickers that fall off the windshield, and on and on...

But the Mass-holes on Beacon hill and in the RMV’s crowning achievement of abject stupidity was: To save money (big bucks - not) was to issue only one plate-sticker. They said not to worry about the old, expired sticker on the front plate, just put the new sticker on the rear plate and drive. That didn’t work out for one of the sysadmins I worked with — he drove to NYS and when he went through the last tollbooth on the ‘pike, the first thing the NY state trooper saw was the EXPIRED front-plate sticker. He spent an hour trying to convince that trooper that, yes, Mass really issued only one sticker now.


40 posted on 01/13/2012 5:43:16 AM PST by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Time to get with everybody else. Texas is nice, but lots of silly and absurd ways of doing things here as well....

As many leave their crap-hole states for the superior one we have built, we Texans are ever so anxious to abandon our ways for the clear sophistication of "everybody else".

Your input is adequately appreciated. Welcome to Texas.
(has there really ever been anyone homesick for Kansas?)

41 posted on 01/13/2012 8:25:01 AM PST by laotzu
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To: laotzu

Too sensitive. I love Texas. I am homesick for Kansas sometimes....it’s really a great state contrary to your snide comments.

But, I am glad I moved to Texas and love it here. But, even Texas sometimes has some bureaucratic things that just don’t make much sense.

Hey, it’s still better here than elsewhere.


42 posted on 01/13/2012 12:17:52 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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