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Another Bill To Turn American Citizens Into Enemies Of The State
Carroll Standard ^ | 1/13/12 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 01/12/2012 9:53:19 PM PST by Nachum

On the heels of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), otherwise known as the "Indefinite Detention Act," comes another draconian bill designed to give the federal government the power to turn American citizens into enemies of the state for virtually any reason it deems necessary. Stephen D. Foster, Jr. has the story.

"Congress is considering HR 3166 and S. 1698 also known as the Enemy Expatriation Act, sponsored by Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Charles Dent (R-PA). This bill would give the US government the power to strip Americans of their citizenship without being convicted of being 'hostile' against the United States. In other words, you can be stripped of your nationality for 'engaging in, or purposefully and materially supporting, hostilities against the United States.' Legally, the term 'hostilities' means any conflict subject to the laws of war but considering the fact that the War on Terror is a little ambiguous and encompassing, any action could be labeled as supporting terrorism."

Foster goes on to say, "I hope I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like this is a loophole for indefinitely detaining Americans. Once again, you just have to be accused of supporting hostilities which could be defined any way the government sees fit. Then the government can strip your citizenship and apply the indefinite detention section of the NDAA without the benefit of a trial."

See Foster's report.

Ever since Congress passed the Patriot Act back in 2001, it seems the floodgates have been opened for more and more intrusions and abridgements of those fundamental liberties expressly protected in the Bill of Rights. From the Patriot Act, to the Military Commissions Act, to the NDAA (Indefinite Detention Act), and to now the Enemy Expatriation Act (EEA), these big government toadies in Washington, D.C., are clearly and unmistakingly declaring war

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bill; citizens; enemies; state

1 posted on 01/12/2012 9:53:24 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

The mis-named Patriot Act is one of the main reasons I detest ex-president Bush.

Paving the way for obama is the other.


2 posted on 01/12/2012 9:55:55 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Nachum

Don’t know anything about Dent, but Liebermann’s I.Q. is in the same range as “Dollar Bill” Bradley’s and Joe “The Foreign Policy Expert” Biden’s.

Not at all surprising. Some of the dumbest people on earth sit in the U.S. Congress. Serial political criminals called “entrenched incumbents”.


3 posted on 01/12/2012 9:56:09 PM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: hoosierham

Dittos to that. NDAA and this mother are direct branch off of jorge’s ‘patriot act’. Where is it all gonna end?...I think I have a good idea.


4 posted on 01/12/2012 10:21:17 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: bobby.223
"Where is it all gonna end?"


5 posted on 01/12/2012 10:37:37 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

For the sheeple, I think you are right. Not for this old boy tho.....


6 posted on 01/12/2012 10:40:49 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: Nachum

Come get me Kommies.


7 posted on 01/12/2012 11:31:57 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Nachum
obama-tank1
8 posted on 01/12/2012 11:40:48 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: bobby.223

Im with you partner.


9 posted on 01/13/2012 12:25:09 AM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: hillarys cankles

These bills that are being introduced and that are being passed (NDAA) use to be stories told by the tin foil hat/ black helicopter types. They use to be poo pooed as conspiracy talk. Look where we are headed.............


10 posted on 01/13/2012 12:29:56 AM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: Nachum

IMHO, this is being introduced due to the large number of muzzies in this country and something is expected as we attack Iran. But that’s just me.


11 posted on 01/13/2012 12:43:52 AM PST by TwoSwords (I'm mad as heaven and I'm not going to take it anymore.)
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To: Enterprise

I’m beginning to believe that the conspiracy theories about FEMA concentration camps ain’t so crazy now.

This bill and the Patriot Act are paving the way to making FEMA camps a reality.

Scary stuff.


12 posted on 01/13/2012 1:25:19 AM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: bobby.223

“Where is all gonna end?...I think I have a good idea.”

FEMA style concentration camps?

The implications and possibilities are frightening. Real scary sh!t.


13 posted on 01/13/2012 1:27:58 AM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Enterprise

Sadly, governments grow and over time and develop contempt, hostility and eventually destroy of their own citizens. It may be that those in power need to reinforce their own sense of power by first ordering citizens around with ever more byzantine laws, and when that power trip becomes ineffectual, getting a thrill from killing their own citizens.


14 posted on 01/13/2012 4:06:00 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: ZULU
Two words - “TERM LIMITS”. It is our only hope. We must demand that these creatures are only allowed to serve a limited amount of time. It limits the damage that they can do and prevents the from building their own individual fiefdoms.
15 posted on 01/13/2012 4:18:48 AM PST by Shane (When Injustice Becomes Law, RESISTANCE Becomes DUTY.----T.Jefferson)
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To: Nachum

I hate all these people in both parties.


16 posted on 01/13/2012 4:23:10 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Nachum
 Did you really think we want those laws observed? said Dr. Ferris.  We
 want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch
 of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it...
 There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is
 the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough
 criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that
 it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a
 nation of law-abiding citizens?  What's there in that for anyone? But just
 pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or
 objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers and then
 you cash in on guilt.  Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game,
 and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.

                                  - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged 1957


17 posted on 01/13/2012 4:23:49 AM PST by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: Peet

And he crazies who were screaming for years about this and other things are now becoming main stream, your right it is scary.


18 posted on 01/13/2012 4:31:06 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Nachum
The America I once knew, “land where my fathers died”, exists no more. 0bama, on a whim can have you tracked, seize your property and searched without a warrant; you can be imprisoned for owning a firearm; if he's having a bad day he can have you killed without due process; and now a low level bureaucrat can make you a man, or woman, without a country.

America is quickly becoming a totalitarian state. The Constitution is dead.

19 posted on 01/13/2012 5:11:51 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Shane

Bingo.


20 posted on 01/13/2012 5:12:03 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: TwoSwords; All
IMHO, this is being introduced due to the large number of muzzies in this country and something is expected as we attack Iran. But that’s just me.

A more basic question is why was 9-11 used as an excuse to install ever encroaching surveillance and abrogations of freedom in place of securing our borders and halting the flood of entrants, illegal and legal, from countries that hate us?
21 posted on 01/13/2012 5:28:51 AM PST by aldabra
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To: Nachum

These new laws being enacted, and the laws against Treason being ignored.


22 posted on 01/13/2012 5:56:53 AM PST by Venturer
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To: aldabra

They used 9/11 in the same way that Hitler used the Reichstag fire. More power— that’s the game, Mr. Reardon.


23 posted on 01/13/2012 6:10:37 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Nachum

So if an American citizen (who’s been a citizen their entire life) is stripped of citizenship, what are they a citizen of? Other than the world? What rights will a non-citizen have?


24 posted on 01/13/2012 6:20:43 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Forced diversity causes dissent!)
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To: 6SJ7

“when that power trip becomes ineffectual, getting a thrill from killing their own citizens.”

I have my own theory on these stupid, ineffectual totalitarian laws. Congress and the Marxist occupying the WH are hoping the military will protect them when it comes time to sweep out the criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington.

The DC criminals saw what happened when Qaddhafi ordered the military to kill libyans. More than half the army deserted and joined provincial militias, which are equivalent to our state guard.

Qaddahfi loyalists and his elite guard officers were dragged into the streets and hanged. The army chief of staff was hauled into the courtyard and shot. Qaddahfi himself died while face-down on the hood of an SUV, killed with his own gold-plated pistol. Thousands of Qaddhafi loyalists are sitting in militia jails. Their fate is unknown.

This revolt, aided by the military, has scared the crap out of the criminals in Washington. They’re hoping these pieces of fig leaf legislation will protect them. They won’t.

Human nature can’t be changed by a piece of paper. Given the choice of killing my family and neighbors or killing the pig who gave that order, guess which way my weapon will point. If the elite pigs are stupid enough to order the killing of American citizens, they’ll suffer the same fate as Qaddhafi and his goons.


25 posted on 01/13/2012 6:22:30 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Nachum

Just growing your own food, canning your food, owning a gun to protect yourself from food thieves, and speaking your mind will become very dangerous.

Good bye America, hello Fascism.


26 posted on 01/13/2012 7:36:37 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected.)
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To: Nachum

How does this compare to Adams’ Alien and Sedition Act?


27 posted on 01/13/2012 7:40:56 AM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Excellence
How does this compare to Adams’ Alien and Sedition Act?

I don't know. I suppose we will be hearing much about this in the near future. One of the keys is the expulsion of citizens from the country. I don't know if the Alien and Sedition Act allows that or not.

28 posted on 01/13/2012 7:52:03 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

If you’re not totally dependent on the state for everything, including your personal safety,

you’re a “threat” and a “terrorist”.


29 posted on 01/13/2012 7:52:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Nachum

So those jackholes that are shutting down our ports can be stripped of their citizenship?

Excellent.


30 posted on 01/13/2012 7:54:04 AM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: 6SJ7

We now have 535 people who have effectively hijacked the US. They are a political autocracy. They do not listen to us, they do exactly as they want and they will protect their power and corruption with whatever means they can find. If you only vote 40-50 new ones in at a time they just get co-opted by the majority and become the beast. Its going to be a challenge to correct this problem.


31 posted on 01/13/2012 8:28:32 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Max in Utah
They used 9/11 in the same way that Hitler used the Reichstag fire. More power— that’s the game, Mr. Reardon.

Yup. No sense wasting a good crisis.
32 posted on 01/13/2012 8:30:38 AM PST by aldabra
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To: Nachum

The Naturalization Act – The residence requirement for citizenship moved from five to fourteen years.

The Alien Act – The President could deport ‘dangerous’ aliens at will.

The Alien Enemy Act – The president could expel or imprison enemy aliens during times of declared war.

The Sedition Act – Any conspiracy against the government including riots and interference with officers would result in a high misdemeanor. This went so far as to stop people from speaking in a “false, scandalous and malicious” manner against the government.


33 posted on 01/13/2012 9:26:36 AM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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