Skip to comments.Another Bill To Turn American Citizens Into Enemies Of The State
Posted on 01/12/2012 9:53:19 PM PST by Nachum
On the heels of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), otherwise known as the "Indefinite Detention Act," comes another draconian bill designed to give the federal government the power to turn American citizens into enemies of the state for virtually any reason it deems necessary. Stephen D. Foster, Jr. has the story.
"Congress is considering HR 3166 and S. 1698 also known as the Enemy Expatriation Act, sponsored by Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Charles Dent (R-PA). This bill would give the US government the power to strip Americans of their citizenship without being convicted of being 'hostile' against the United States. In other words, you can be stripped of your nationality for 'engaging in, or purposefully and materially supporting, hostilities against the United States.' Legally, the term 'hostilities' means any conflict subject to the laws of war but considering the fact that the War on Terror is a little ambiguous and encompassing, any action could be labeled as supporting terrorism."
Foster goes on to say, "I hope I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like this is a loophole for indefinitely detaining Americans. Once again, you just have to be accused of supporting hostilities which could be defined any way the government sees fit. Then the government can strip your citizenship and apply the indefinite detention section of the NDAA without the benefit of a trial."
See Foster's report.
Ever since Congress passed the Patriot Act back in 2001, it seems the floodgates have been opened for more and more intrusions and abridgements of those fundamental liberties expressly protected in the Bill of Rights. From the Patriot Act, to the Military Commissions Act, to the NDAA (Indefinite Detention Act), and to now the Enemy Expatriation Act (EEA), these big government toadies in Washington, D.C., are clearly and unmistakingly declaring war
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The mis-named Patriot Act is one of the main reasons I detest ex-president Bush.
Paving the way for obama is the other.
Don’t know anything about Dent, but Liebermann’s I.Q. is in the same range as “Dollar Bill” Bradley’s and Joe “The Foreign Policy Expert” Biden’s.
Not at all surprising. Some of the dumbest people on earth sit in the U.S. Congress. Serial political criminals called “entrenched incumbents”.
Dittos to that. NDAA and this mother are direct branch off of jorge’s ‘patriot act’. Where is it all gonna end?...I think I have a good idea.
For the sheeple, I think you are right. Not for this old boy tho.....
Come get me Kommies.
Im with you partner.
These bills that are being introduced and that are being passed (NDAA) use to be stories told by the tin foil hat/ black helicopter types. They use to be poo pooed as conspiracy talk. Look where we are headed.............
IMHO, this is being introduced due to the large number of muzzies in this country and something is expected as we attack Iran. But that’s just me.
I’m beginning to believe that the conspiracy theories about FEMA concentration camps ain’t so crazy now.
This bill and the Patriot Act are paving the way to making FEMA camps a reality.
“Where is all gonna end?...I think I have a good idea.”
FEMA style concentration camps?
The implications and possibilities are frightening. Real scary sh!t.
Sadly, governments grow and over time and develop contempt, hostility and eventually destroy of their own citizens. It may be that those in power need to reinforce their own sense of power by first ordering citizens around with ever more byzantine laws, and when that power trip becomes ineffectual, getting a thrill from killing their own citizens.
I hate all these people in both parties.
Did you really think we want those laws observed? said Dr. Ferris. We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with. - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged 1957
And he crazies who were screaming for years about this and other things are now becoming main stream, your right it is scary.
America is quickly becoming a totalitarian state. The Constitution is dead.
These new laws being enacted, and the laws against Treason being ignored.
They used 9/11 in the same way that Hitler used the Reichstag fire. More power— that’s the game, Mr. Reardon.
So if an American citizen (who’s been a citizen their entire life) is stripped of citizenship, what are they a citizen of? Other than the world? What rights will a non-citizen have?
“when that power trip becomes ineffectual, getting a thrill from killing their own citizens.”
I have my own theory on these stupid, ineffectual totalitarian laws. Congress and the Marxist occupying the WH are hoping the military will protect them when it comes time to sweep out the criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington.
The DC criminals saw what happened when Qaddhafi ordered the military to kill libyans. More than half the army deserted and joined provincial militias, which are equivalent to our state guard.
Qaddahfi loyalists and his elite guard officers were dragged into the streets and hanged. The army chief of staff was hauled into the courtyard and shot. Qaddahfi himself died while face-down on the hood of an SUV, killed with his own gold-plated pistol. Thousands of Qaddhafi loyalists are sitting in militia jails. Their fate is unknown.
This revolt, aided by the military, has scared the crap out of the criminals in Washington. They’re hoping these pieces of fig leaf legislation will protect them. They won’t.
Human nature can’t be changed by a piece of paper. Given the choice of killing my family and neighbors or killing the pig who gave that order, guess which way my weapon will point. If the elite pigs are stupid enough to order the killing of American citizens, they’ll suffer the same fate as Qaddhafi and his goons.
Just growing your own food, canning your food, owning a gun to protect yourself from food thieves, and speaking your mind will become very dangerous.
Good bye America, hello Fascism.
How does this compare to Adams’ Alien and Sedition Act?
I don't know. I suppose we will be hearing much about this in the near future. One of the keys is the expulsion of citizens from the country. I don't know if the Alien and Sedition Act allows that or not.
If you’re not totally dependent on the state for everything, including your personal safety,
you’re a “threat” and a “terrorist”.
So those jackholes that are shutting down our ports can be stripped of their citizenship?
We now have 535 people who have effectively hijacked the US. They are a political autocracy. They do not listen to us, they do exactly as they want and they will protect their power and corruption with whatever means they can find. If you only vote 40-50 new ones in at a time they just get co-opted by the majority and become the beast. Its going to be a challenge to correct this problem.
The Naturalization Act The residence requirement for citizenship moved from five to fourteen years.
The Alien Act The President could deport dangerous aliens at will.
The Alien Enemy Act The president could expel or imprison enemy aliens during times of declared war.
The Sedition Act Any conspiracy against the government including riots and interference with officers would result in a high misdemeanor. This went so far as to stop people from speaking in a false, scandalous and malicious manner against the government.