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N.H. Voters Explain How They Came to Understand Ron Paul
International Business Times ^ | January 13, 2012 | Maggie Astor

Posted on 01/13/2012 7:06:58 AM PST by Veritas_et_libertas

Interviews with New Hampshire voters on Tuesday gave a glimpse into the issues that drew these newcomers to a campaign that has been trying to gain mainstream support for its message since Paul first ran for president in 1988.

Most said they were initially drawn to one element of Paul's platform, but came to support the rest of it later.

'Painfully, Very Slowly'

One voter, James Kelley, said he supported Paul at first because he seemed like the only candidate who was serious about cutting taxes and spending. But as he researched Paul's platform, he found himself reconsidering his hawkish foreign-policy views.

"Before him, I was basically like, nuke the Middle East and get it over with," Kelley said. "I started hearing what he was saying, and painfully, very slowly, I was like, yeah, actually, it makes sense."

From listening to Paul, Kelley concluded that it was the United States' own interventionist foreign policy that posed the greatest threat to national security.

"Initially, it [non-interventionism] didn't make any sense, because you keep hearing about all these threats and risks," he said. "But pretty much every single conflict we've been in, we've somehow preceded it. We armed the mujahedeen to fight the Soviets, and then we fight them as the Taliban. We put [Fidel] Castro in power; we put Saddam Hussein in power."

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KEYWORDS: mittromney; newhampshire; primaryelection; ronpaul
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1 posted on 01/13/2012 7:07:02 AM PST by Veritas_et_libertas
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Idiots will out.


2 posted on 01/13/2012 7:10:44 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

3 posted on 01/13/2012 7:13:41 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

LOL this is funny.

New Hampshire isn’t trying to exlain why they voted for Paul they are trying to excuse themselves.

New Hampshire is irrelevant. It is a sham.

Soon we will see how real voters feel, I think Mr. Paul has a big let down coming. At least I hope so.


4 posted on 01/13/2012 7:17:51 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Sudetenland
It was inevitable that the funny little foreign folks with the evil mustaches would find out we were a pretty rich country.

America was no longer just the place to send the village rebel.

That's when the problems really got started ~ with England, with France, with the German states, with Austria-Hungria, with Russia, with...... the A-Rabs!

it's not like we'd been working along in splendid isolation from the world. My gosh, George Washington was part of the cause of the French and Indian War. The War of Spanish Succession certainly had something to do with American economic might behind the Brits! And, even earlier King Philippe II/III of Spain had used the division of North America as a ploy to bring a full 20 years of peace to Europe ~ (See Treaty of London 1604 ~ it's not about England winning a war ~ it's about Spain winning a war and being magnanimous ~ incredibly magnanimous).

Ron Paul's idea of cause and effect is very similar to the theory of a suppository. That is, that if you keep sticking it up your nether regions it may make its way to the top.

5 posted on 01/13/2012 7:18:42 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Venturer
I think Mr. Paul has a big let down coming. At least I hope so.

Bummer dude...

Guess there will be no government weed coming...

6 posted on 01/13/2012 7:20:19 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas; RaceBannon; Absolutely Nobama; SJackson
From listening to Paul, Kelley concluded that it was the United States' own interventionist foreign policy that posed the greatest threat to national security.

And people wonder why most consider Paul's, blame America First ideas a danger to the US. This is Reverend Jeremiah Wright thinking. I wonder when Paul will just go all out and say 'Chickens Have Come Home To Roost'?

7 posted on 01/13/2012 7:20:36 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
For James Campbell, a veteran and a volunteer for Paul's New Hampshire campaign, the order was reversed: it was foreign policy that first attracted him to Paul, and he latched on to the economics later.

While deployed in Somalia in 1993, "I saw firsthand the resentment and the fear that happens when you go in there and use a standing army as the enforcer," Campbell said. He was shot, received a Purple Heart, and was then deployed once again, this time to Bosnia. Once he came home, he recalled, "I was kind of lost until I heard Ron Paul."

Obviously another dope smoking pinko commie.

8 posted on 01/13/2012 7:21:35 AM PST by Roninf5-1
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
We put [Fidel] Castro in power

I haven't heard this from the Paul camp. Is that what they are saying?

9 posted on 01/13/2012 7:21:35 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Ron Paul’s Philosophy, “Everything wrong in the world is our fault.”


10 posted on 01/13/2012 7:22:55 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

“Before him, I was basically like, nuke the Middle East and get it over with,”

As soon as the “like” spills out, the source is exposed and the credibility fades.


11 posted on 01/13/2012 7:24:45 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: dfwgator
America's Chickens, have come home, to roost- Reverend Jeremiah Ron Paul Wright (or something like that)
12 posted on 01/13/2012 7:25:13 AM PST by mnehring
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To: muawiyah

LOL!!!!


13 posted on 01/13/2012 7:25:27 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: ejonesie22

In cannabis veritas. :)


14 posted on 01/13/2012 7:26:23 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Wow... so NH Paul supporters agree with:

1. Withdrawing our forces worldwide,
2. Standing by as Iran gains nuclear weapons capability,
3. The repeal of DADT,
4. The notion the traitor Bradley Manning is a “patriot,”
5. The connection between Paul and troop-hating Code Pink,
6. 9-11 was a result of AMERICA’s policies, not islamic terror,
7. David Duke, in his support for Paul,
8. Paul’s support for OWS,
9. Paul’s possible ties to George Soros, and
10. The idea that killing bin Osama bin Laden is wrong.

OK... got it.

Kooks.


15 posted on 01/13/2012 7:27:44 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Sudetenland
Amen due, amen.

I call this meeting of the Holy Order of nachos to order...

You did order nachos, the munchies are kickin’ bad dude...

16 posted on 01/13/2012 7:29:26 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Sudetenland
Amen due, amen.

I call this meeting of the Holy Order of nachos to order...

You did order nachos, the munchies are kickin’ bad dude...

17 posted on 01/13/2012 7:29:36 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Proud2BeRight
Like, you know, man, like, there's this dude, Ron Paul, and he's like, you know, the coolest. He's going to end all wars by, like, you know, like disengaging from the rest of the world and, like, you know, keeping American, like, safe, you know, from within, you know?

Like, not only that, you know, he's going to like legalize pot. How cool is that, dude?
18 posted on 01/13/2012 7:31:05 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Roninf5-1
Hmm, he went to Somalia when half of the capital city was controlled by AlQaida, and the rest of the country was divided up into about a dozen little warzones ruled by warlords.

From that he deduced that a "standing army" is a problem?

He's screwy.

19 posted on 01/13/2012 7:33:34 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

So sending hundreds of thousands of our young men over seas to defend, fight and die for other countries is ok while our closest neighbor is in full blown anarchy is fine?

Defending the 3rd and 4th largest economies in the world from communism is fine but defending our allies in our own hemisphere is forbidden.

Invading iraq is ok when we are already sending trillions to the saudi royal family is great! Sending in ground troops to pacify tribes in aa landlocked country is awesome. Wake up people.


20 posted on 01/13/2012 7:34:14 AM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: Sudetenland

Like totally.


21 posted on 01/13/2012 7:35:00 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Roninf5-1

Not a wounded, veteran hero??


22 posted on 01/13/2012 7:37:45 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Sudetenland

Sudetenland, you should amend the signature after your name.

It currently reads, “Anybody but Obama!!!!”.

Is this true?


23 posted on 01/13/2012 7:38:21 AM PST by Veritas_et_libertas
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To: Roninf5-1
Two words.

Bradley Manning.

There are everything from idiots to treacherous assholes even in the military.

Catch a clue.

24 posted on 01/13/2012 7:38:40 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

With Paul it is very problematic, but fortunately, that is a decision with which I will not be faced.


25 posted on 01/13/2012 7:39:50 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Dr. Paul would make this country more secure and more strong. Blowback makes us weaker and less secure.

Dr. Paul would cut $1 Trillion from Federal budget in year one. A prosperous country is a strong country.

Dr. Paul would End the Fed - we’d finally have sound money again. Sound money protects savers who provide the capital the help the country grow.


26 posted on 01/13/2012 7:41:52 AM PST by vooch
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To: SpringtoLiberty

There has been, is now, and always will be a dominant world military power.
What nation or group, SpringtoLiberty, would you like to see fill the void an become that dominant military power if Ron Paul got his way and gutted the US military, closed all foreign bases and retreated to hide behind our borders?


27 posted on 01/13/2012 7:42:45 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Two questions for those oppesed to dr. Paul.

1. Do you think romney will in any way return the individul liberty and freedom that has been stolen from you and future generations of Americans over the last 50 year?

2. Do you think that a strong vp pick or secstate or secdef pick would change your attitude? Ie. Bolton, patreus, ryan, demint etc.


28 posted on 01/13/2012 7:44:38 AM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: vooch
Ron Paul would let crazy nations with orbital capabilities build nuclear weapons which could very easily fall onto my family and kill them.

Then sound money would not mean sh*t to me, my wife or child.

29 posted on 01/13/2012 7:47:04 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

I would answer your questions, but they aren’t addressed to me.


30 posted on 01/13/2012 7:47:11 AM PST by Veritas_et_libertas
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

I have to admit that some of it DOES make sense. My skin still crawls at all the weirdness attached to Ron Paul (thanks, ScottinVA) but a lot of what he says rings true.

I think we can agree we need some strong medicine to fix this nation of ours. Romney & Co. will just keep playing the same stupid reindeer games that Washington has been playing since FDR, tweaking instead of slashing. Does anybody really think Gingrich, Santorum, et al, will actually DO anything major to fix the problems, or just talk about change while growing government?

The radical Left is having a field day in Washington. Maybe a move to the radical right, even for a single term, would be better than the Second Civil War that so many of us see on the horizon.

I really don’t know about this one. Something’s gotta give.


31 posted on 01/13/2012 7:47:19 AM PST by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. - Robert Heinlein)
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To: vooch

So you have no problem with him praising traitors, publishing decades of racist vile loony newsletters, blaming the US for 9/11 and pandering to the Truther kook fringe, sympathizing with the Occupy parasites, participating on conspiracy nut shows, working closely with Soros and Barney Frank, supported by Democrats, foilhats, white supremacists, and the fringe of society, trashing of the US Constitution, dope pushing, promoting dangerous isolationism and gutting US defense and support Iranian and terrorist nukes?

Tell me vooch, there always has been, is now and always will be a dominant world military power. What nation or group would you like to see become that power in Paul gets his way with gutting ours?


32 posted on 01/13/2012 7:50:25 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: ejonesie22

Your paranoia must be a result of that cannabis with which you are so enamored.


33 posted on 01/13/2012 7:50:37 AM PST by Veritas_et_libertas
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To: Proud2BeRight

I agree. There will always be a big boy on the world stage. I want that to be the usa as long as I and my progeny are alive. But what we have now is a military strung out. Standing on the brink of collapse and rout. It is the missuse of our military that so many americans object to.

Look at the recent numbers put up on this board today that show the men actually fighting are donating to dr. Paul’s cmpaign. More active duty personnel are donating to dr. Paul than to obama and the other republicans combined.

Our military was organised and designed to protect its citizens. Not those of other countries. It was designed to protect our borders not the dmz. Our livelihoods not the house of saud.

Also, our warfighting is done by citizens with the consent of those citizens. The office of the president is not the congress.


34 posted on 01/13/2012 7:52:14 AM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: Proud2BeRight

-—What nation or group,-—
Obviously you are happy with the latest US intervention last “Spring” that has brought the Muslim Brotherhood to power across the Middle East and Africa. Let’s keep the intervention coming because these chickens will never come home to roost. Only a Paultard kook could think that.


35 posted on 01/13/2012 7:53:42 AM PST by running_dog_lackey
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Fortress America! Ron Paul in ‘38!


36 posted on 01/13/2012 7:58:31 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Hardly. I am not a Paulitard. I deal with reality.


37 posted on 01/13/2012 8:02:16 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SpringtoLiberty
If your answer is the US should be that dominant military power, then you have to oppose Ron Paul. He has stated that he would gut the military. With all bases closed, as he said, we are done as a military power. Ron Paul would destroy this nation defensively and sent the entire world into chaos. He is a dangerous crackpot.

And, the military political donations to Paul is BS PR. 1. His cult can check any box they want when they donate. They/he knows they can get press by checking the “military” box. There is no audit of those things. It is no more credible than on-line polls that the Paul cult stuffs the voting. 2. The amount is peanuts. In a campaign that takes in millions of dollars, a few tens of thousands is chump change.

38 posted on 01/13/2012 8:08:34 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Roninf5-1

So, you think it was a good idea to be in Somalia and Bosnia?


39 posted on 01/13/2012 8:08:46 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: muawiyah

That begs the question of why the heck we were in Somalia in the first place.


40 posted on 01/13/2012 8:10:00 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: DNME

I figure he’d be balanced out by Congress anyhow. Maybe even too much.


41 posted on 01/13/2012 8:12:09 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: SpringtoLiberty
Look at the recent numbers put up on this board today that show the men actually fighting are donating to dr. Paul’s cmpaign. More active duty personnel are donating to dr. Paul than to obama and the other republicans combined.

That has been debunked. Indeed two threads started by Paulitards that tried to push that tripe have been pulled.

There is nothing to show the validity of the poll. its make up or methodology, and such has been asked for again and again.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised Paulitards with their OWS and Code Pink buddies would go for the "repeat the lie often enough" bit.

42 posted on 01/13/2012 8:12:29 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: running_dog_lackey
You did not answer my question. If crackpot Ron Paul gutted the military and closed all foreign US bases, what nation or group would you like to see become the dominant world military power. There will be one, it just guaranteed, with crackpot Paul, it will not be the US.

You can bring up more Obama policies if you like, however, it does not answer what would happen if a dangerous isolationist like Ron Paul got his way and destroyed the US military.

43 posted on 01/13/2012 8:13:31 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: ejonesie22

we are infested with kook paul seminar supporters.

every time I see a pro drug stand post it is a troll suspect.

Even on the radio the kook paul seminar callers are out in force.

Kook paul has zero chance in FL. or any closed state primary.


44 posted on 01/13/2012 8:14:55 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SpringtoLiberty
Here ya go...

"The military donation angle been debunked many, many times. The numbers they are using are from a very limited sampling (and from a Soros funded group by the way, but I digress), only donors who give over $200 (quite large for the average soldier to give) and the sampling has been tainted by his "Military Moneybomb" where they were encouraging Paultards to put down they were in the military even if they aren't currently in the military (retired, ever was a contractor for anything with the military, or "whatever"). The number of donors is also so small (about 90 total) it is statistically insignificant in a population of about 3 million (active + reserves). Other polls of larger sampling of the military show Paul's support only in the single digits."

The "recent numbers" posted were pulled because they were BS.

Paulitard spam doesn't fair to well with Conservatives. its more Code Pinkish...

45 posted on 01/13/2012 8:17:57 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

I just do not see how our military posture and decisions over the past 2 decades have made us safer.

Ask yourself this. Do you feel sfer today than you did 20 years ago? Do you think americ is stronger today than 20 yeaars ago? If not then you must agree tht our policies are failing. Our policies re not mking us safer they are making is weaker. Something has got to change and no one else is offering any change whatsoever to american foreign policy of intervention, invasion, and occupation.


46 posted on 01/13/2012 8:19:02 AM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

Sorry for the many typos. My “a” key is not functioning properly.


47 posted on 01/13/2012 8:21:15 AM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Thank god for that...


48 posted on 01/13/2012 8:23:04 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: B Knotts
Innocent people were starving to death.

Now you may get a kick out of that but I don't.

Some of these third-world hellholes are so nasty you actually can't get food to the people without stepping over some bodies of the guys who were stealing it.

That's why we were there. Then thought was given to doing something more.

The mercy mission was allowed to morph into "nation building" ~ and that's where you run into your problem. We were not prepared to do that which, as you know, requires the use of a great deal of armor, artillery and air power.

49 posted on 01/13/2012 8:26:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Proud2BeRight

Yes he would close dozens of bases on foreign territory. Hooray for that. Let the us military defend us citizens. The the german military defend german citizens. Let the japanese defend themselves.

Having allies is one thing what we have are protectorates and de facto colonies.

Every empire in history has collapsed in on itself. Why would anyone think we would be any different? War is ineveitable. But what we have had for the last 20 years is a never ending war. Undeclared and unwinnable.

Bring our troops home and prepare for the coming global conflict that will come wether we have our troops posted over seas or not.


50 posted on 01/13/2012 8:28:22 AM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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