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Newt, Perry Push Voters to Romney and Paul
Yahoo Voices ^ | Jan. 13th, 2012 | Sherry Tomfeld

Posted on 01/13/2012 9:43:12 AM PST by stillafreemind

If you are a conservative and believe in their principles, you may be upset with Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry. Their vicious attacks on Mitt Romney and capitalism have been relentless, and the fallout is just beginning. Perry has lost a top supporter in Barry Wynn who hates the anti-capitalism rhetoric. Gingrich has garnered sharp criticism from Republican heavy weights like Rush Limbaugh and Rudy Giuliani.

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It's time for conservative and Tea Party supporters to merge. I can't hardly watch the negativity in the press right now.
1 posted on 01/13/2012 9:43:25 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind
Gingrich & Perry are attacking conservative belief in free enterprise and causing people to rally around Romney(!) and flee to Paul.

What an embarassment.

2 posted on 01/13/2012 9:46:26 AM PST by Crichton
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To: stillafreemind

“If you are a conservative and believe in their principles, you may be upset with Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry. “

Let’s see how many idiots on our side actually keep up the drama queen act of pretending like they are so angry over this just so they can pretend like they have cover for supporting Romney.


3 posted on 01/13/2012 9:46:40 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: stillafreemind

Despite this unfounded doomsayer rhetoric, Gingrich and Perry appear to both be moving up in the polls.


4 posted on 01/13/2012 9:46:54 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: stillafreemind

I’m not surprised that Big Govt, Freddie Mac lobbyist Newt would go down this road.

Perry, on the other hand, has disappointed me. I thought he was better than that, given his success in Texas as a result of the free market.

Hard to believe that Obama is a sitting duck and these are our candidates. What a waste.


5 posted on 01/13/2012 9:47:08 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: stillafreemind

Republican heavy weights like...Rudy Giuliani.


How heavy is Rudy?


6 posted on 01/13/2012 9:47:24 AM PST by Leep
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To: stillafreemind

Barry Wynn is and environmentalist guy. Good riddance. Only the idiots and ignorant are going to Paul and Romney.

RWR, THE GREAT

In late 1979, during an economic strategy meeting, Ronald Reagan was talking about his upcoming presidential campaign. At one point, somebody expressed concern that John Connally, the former governor of Texas and another presidential candidate, was gaining support among corporate chief executive officers, with all the financial support and credibility that that entailed. Reagan said this didn’t bother him at all. “Let him have the Fortune 500,” he said. “I want our campaign to stand for Main Street, not Wall Street. I want us to stand for the worker, the shopkeeper, the entrepreneur, and the small businessman.” Reagan’s instincts were right on the mark.


7 posted on 01/13/2012 9:48:50 AM PST by marty60
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To: Crichton

You are full of ****! They are not attacking capitalism.

They are attacking Myths record on jobs.


8 posted on 01/13/2012 9:48:54 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: stillafreemind

The sooner Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry are defeated, the better off our country will be. Both men have let power, envy, hate and destruction get the better of them!!! All Conservatives & Republicans need to drop these two “Traitors” like a bad habit!!! They do no good whatsoever for our troubled nation!!!


9 posted on 01/13/2012 9:49:20 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Crichton

Can you imagine a lamer cast of GOP contenders?


10 posted on 01/13/2012 9:51:33 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: mylife

Too many recite what they hear Rush limpbough assert on the radio, and Rush does not have the facts straight yet he spews forth in his typical arrogant style. He is no longer even entertaining, and his drones repating his errors do not bode well for America.


11 posted on 01/13/2012 9:51:46 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: mylife

Too many recite what they hear Rush limpbough assert on the radio, and Rush does not have the facts straight yet he spews forth in his typical arrogant style. He is no longer even entertaining, and his drones repeating his errors do not bode well for America.


12 posted on 01/13/2012 9:51:57 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Drop them for what? Romney? Obama?


13 posted on 01/13/2012 9:52:17 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Perry, on the other hand, has disappointed me. I thought he was better than that, given his success in Texas as a result of the free market.

Perry has always been a populist but he usually gets out in front of a wave rather than crash into it.

14 posted on 01/13/2012 9:54:03 AM PST by Crichton
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To: MHGinTN

I love Rush, and I like Levin, but this assault on Perry from the pundits makes me want to PUKE!

Laura Igraham is way over the top! She is so kissing Romneys arse!


15 posted on 01/13/2012 9:54:54 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: stillafreemind

Not so. See the new ARG S.C. poll results on Drudge.


16 posted on 01/13/2012 9:57:03 AM PST by varina davis (Elect a real American patriot in 2012 -- Gov. Rick Perry)
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To: mylife

Rick Perry is a real Southern Gentleman. Perhaps these punditocracy spewings show which do not actually get it in the gentleman category and are servants of ego.


17 posted on 01/13/2012 9:59:32 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: stillafreemind

Interesting....... Romney and the GOP are pushing me to vote third party.


18 posted on 01/13/2012 10:00:19 AM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: 1010RD
Can you imagine a lamer cast of GOP contenders?

Yes. But it's remarkable to see these jokers make Romney look conservative by comparison. They're running against a guy who enacted socialized health care and flip flopped all over the ideological spectrum and what do they do? Set him up as the champion of economic freedom.

19 posted on 01/13/2012 10:02:15 AM PST by Crichton
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To: stillafreemind
Reports like this, as well as the numerous so-called "conservative pundits'" criticisms that such questioning of Romney are attacls on our founding principle of "freedom of individual enterprise" (a term they don't use and possibly don't understand) simply reflect the national ignorance of the founding principle which should be protected, as described below. Perhaps in the Monday debate, Gingrich, the historical scholar can educate us:

The following essay is excerpted from "Our Ageless Constitution," a 292-page history of the ideas of liberty in America, again available after 20 years of being out of print.

Freedom Of Individual Enterprise

The Economic Dimension Of Liberty Protected By The Constitution

"Agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise." - Thomas Jefferson

"The enviable condition of the people of the United States is often too much ascribed to the physical advantages of their soil & climate .... But a just estimate of the happiness of our country will never overlook what belongs to the fertile activity of a free people and the benign influence of a responsible government." - James Madison

America's Constitution did not mention freedom of enterprise per se, but it did set up a system of laws to secure individual liberty and freedom of choice in keeping with Creator-endowed natural rights. Out of these, free enterprise flourished naturally. Even though the words "free enterprise' are not in the Constitution, the concept was uppermost in the minds of the Founders, typified by the remarks of Jefferson and Madison as quoted above. Already, in 1787, Americans were enjoying the rewards of individual enterprise and free markets. Their dedication was to securing that freedom for posterity.

The learned men drafting America's Constitution understood history - mankind's struggle against poverty and government oppression. And they had studied the ideas of the great thinkers and philosophers. They were familiar with the near starvation of the early Jamestown settlers under a communal production and distribution system and Governor Bradford's diary account of how all benefited after agreement that each family could do as it wished with the fruits of its own labors. Later, in 1776, Adam Smith's INQUIRY INTO THE NATURE AND CAUSES OF THE WEALTH OF NATIONS and Say's POLITICAL ECONOMY had come at just the right time and were perfectly compatible with the Founders' own passion for individual liberty. Jefferson said these were the best books to be had for forming governments based on principles of freedom. They saw a free market economy as the natural result of their ideal of liberty. They feared concentrations of power and the coercion that planners can use in planning other peoples lives; and they valued freedom of choice and acceptance of responsibility of the consequences of such choice as being the very essence of liberty. They envisioned a large and prosperous republic of free people, unhampered by government interference.

The Founders believed the American people, possessors of deeply rooted character and values, could prosper if left free to:

  • acquire and own property
  • have access to free markets
  • produce what they wanted
  • work for whom and at what they wanted
  • travel and live where they would choose
  • acquire goods and services which they desired

Such a free market economy was, to them, the natural result of liberty, carried out in the economic dimension of life. Their philosophy tend­ed to enlarge individual freedom - not to restrict or diminish the individual's right to make choices and to succeed or fail based on those choices. The economic role of their Constitutional government was simply to secure rights and encourage commerce. Through the Constitution, they granted their government some very limited powers to:

Adam Smith called it "the system of natural liberty." James Madison referred to it as "the benign influence of a responsible government." Others have called it the free enterprise system. By whatever name it is called, the economic system envisioned by the Founders and encouraged by the Constitution allowed individual enterprise to flourish and triggered the greatest explosion of economic progress in all of history. Americans became the first people truly to realize the economic dimension of liberty.


Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5

20 posted on 01/13/2012 10:03:24 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: stillafreemind

Bull.

...”Paul has surged 11 points and Santorum has dropped 17 points since ARG’s last survey in South Carolina, which was conducted after Iowa’s January 3 caucuses and before New Hampshire’s primary. Perry has jumped 7 points since the earlier survey, with Gingrich inching up two points and Romney losing two points. Romney edged out Santorum by eight votes to win Iowa’s caucuses. Paul came in third place.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2832559/posts


21 posted on 01/13/2012 10:04:34 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: stillafreemind
LOL!!!...
So says Sherry Tomfeld.

She sure seems to be a tough old bird...
"Gardening and food preservation are her passion, she has been doing both for 30 years.Working thousands of head of hogs, raising cattle, goats and chickens to being lead cook in a 90 resident nursing home. She is involved with alternative medicine, from learning Reiki to using healing alternatives for herself and livestock illnesses. Her interests are religion, crime and politics."
22 posted on 01/13/2012 10:04:43 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Crichton; P-Marlowe

Actually, they were standing up for free enterprise.

The were opposed to crony enterprise, the kind practiced by Romney at Bain Capital and known as vulture capitalism.

What is really funny is the supposed “conservative” media running to liberal Mitt Romney in a fake huff over Gingrich attacking fake capitalism.

I will actively work against Mitt Romney. I will never support him.


23 posted on 01/13/2012 10:06:04 AM PST by xzins (Vulture Capitalism is Crony Capitalism on Crack)
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To: moehoward

This is ridiculous. Newt and Perry are not attacking Capitalism. They are going after Romney and his crony capitalism. Big difference. Perry has created over one million jobs in Texas and how anyone could entertain the idea he is against capitalism isn’t a free-thinker. You are being played folks. Big time.


24 posted on 01/13/2012 10:10:05 AM PST by Srdubya
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To: moehoward

This is ridiculous. Newt and Perry are not attacking Capitalism. They are going after Romney and his crony capitalism. Big difference. Perry has created over one million jobs in Texas and how anyone could entertain the idea he is against capitalism isn’t a free-thinker. You are being played folks. Big time.


25 posted on 01/13/2012 10:10:18 AM PST by Srdubya
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To: stillafreemind

“If you are a conservative and believe in their principles, you may be upset with Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry”

I’m not upset at all. It’s very interesting. This was not an attack on free enterprise but rather corruption of free enterprise. It’s laundry. If it’s dirty, it will come out in the wash.
I would think Romney’s people would welcome this discussion so we don’t have to have it in the general election. I’d like Romney to release his tax information pretty soon too. Everyone should come clean. Every candidate has been taken through the cleaners except Romney. Let’s just relax and watch right now. There’s time.


26 posted on 01/13/2012 10:11:15 AM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: stillafreemind

Is there any chance that after the upcoming debate, the brutal fighting will subside? I would love for Newt and Perry to be quoted on the news for saying things about the economy and jobs rather than the fight with Romney.


27 posted on 01/13/2012 10:12:46 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Jeez. This is starting to sound a lot like Cainiac languiage. Herman??? Is that you?


28 posted on 01/13/2012 10:13:08 AM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: stillafreemind
All 50 states, just like they do for the Presidential race, should vote on the same day for the nominee. It would be a lot harder to corrupt with so many states involved and it would end this attack.

Rest assure on this... Once it's over I'm on the anyone but Obama ticket. Even if it's Mitt Romney. Yes Mitt is bad, but a step in the right direction.

29 posted on 01/13/2012 10:19:12 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

All 50 states, just like they do for the Presidential race, should vote on the same day for the nominee. It would be a lot harder to corrupt with so many states involved and it would end this attack
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I couldn’t agree with you more on this!


30 posted on 01/13/2012 10:22:23 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: moehoward

I believe she was a huge supporter for Palin and Cain.


31 posted on 01/13/2012 10:23:28 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

Think of it like World War II. Yes the Soviets were bad since they helped started the dam with Germany. Never the less we must be Allies in order to defeat Germany.

What I’m saying is that we all have to look we have in common and that opposition to the current occupant in the White House. We need to unite to get him out and then we can bicker later.


32 posted on 01/13/2012 10:23:34 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: xzins
The were opposed to crony enterprise, the kind practiced by Romney at Bain Capital and known as vulture capitalism.

I feel like you're repeating buzz words and have no idea what you're talking about.

There are many, many, many things that Romney can legitimately be attacked on. It should be like shooting fish in a barrel - but instead they're shooting at the bald eagle in the sky.

But being a tremendously successful venture capitalist who created tons of jobs, invested in startups and tried to save or appropriately liquidate dying businesses, should be celebrated or at least commended.

It's just stunning to me to see "conservatives" rush to embrace the marxist critique of capitalism and embrace economic ignorance.

33 posted on 01/13/2012 10:24:53 AM PST by Crichton
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To: stillafreemind

Perry and Gingrich are NOT “attacking capitalism”, and I am tired of hearing such stupidity. They are questioning the record of one company belonging to one individual.

If people allow that to “push” them to Romney and Paul, they had weak minds to begin with, and weaker principles.


34 posted on 01/13/2012 10:27:32 AM PST by CatherineofAragon
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To: mylife

“I love Rush, and I like Levin, but this assault on Perry from the pundits makes me want to PUKE!”

Perry was the target from onset. Cainiacs and other Romney supporters were able to hit him early on. I think Rush was an unwilling participant but succumbed. He bitterly disappoints me for his interference instead of letting it all play out. Without the talk jocks telling everyone what to do and how to feel, ANYONE could have beat Obama. They have created the mess we’re in and Rush punctuated it with his weighty presence. No more tea for me, Rush.


35 posted on 01/13/2012 10:35:34 AM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: stillafreemind

That’s ok. You can be nutty and still support a Conservative.


36 posted on 01/13/2012 10:49:19 AM PST by moehoward
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To: All

Second poll out today, on sidebar, showing Gingrich is Surging fast.

Gingrich’s new ads in SC are on taxes, abortion, and guns.

Here we go Gingrich, here we go.


37 posted on 01/13/2012 10:52:52 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Crichton
Gingrich & Perry are attacking conservative belief in free enterprise...

No, they are not, they are attacking Romney. If you choose to believe the way every talking head, blogger, or Romney/Paul supporter wishes to portray it, go ahead.

However, where were you and the rest of the MSM when they were attacking Gingrich and Perry?! If Romney wants to run on a platform of a "job creator" and his business experience, it is fair game.

38 posted on 01/13/2012 11:00:26 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (We Can Take OUR Country Back--Perry 2012)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
However, where were you and the rest of the MSM when they were attacking Gingrich

That fat old fraud who thinks the government should stop global warming and endorsed the individual mandate and Dede Scozzafava and spent the last 15 years trading on insider connections and selling himself to vast wealth to support his third wife's Tiffany's purchases?

Yeah, I was all over that.

Perry I could have lived with but he seemed -- seems -- intent on self immolation.

39 posted on 01/13/2012 11:05:52 AM PST by Crichton
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To: Crichton; P-Marlowe

Sorry, Crichton, but I do know what I’m talking about.

One of Bain’s methods was to buy a company, temporarily boost it’s earning by lowering its cost, borrow tremendously against that increased potential, buy back the shares of its investors with the borrowed money, and then leave the company to go bankrupt when it could not continue the pace higher earnings needed to pay off the borrowed money.

By that time, their shares were no longer in the company.

Additionally, they’d use smoke and mirrors consisting of holding companies, bankruptcy laws, corporate law, and manipulated appraisals to enormously profit from particular targeted companies.

That is not how a free market works, and if you were one of the non-Bain bond holders of that company or one of the employees, creditors, or contractors walking into bankruptcy court with only a prayer of getting pennies on the dollar, then you’d not feel so kindly toward Bain and Romney.

Romney is the ultimate vulture capitalist.


40 posted on 01/13/2012 11:10:44 AM PST by xzins (Vulture Capitalism is Crony Capitalism on Crack)
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To: Crichton; P-Marlowe

Sorry, Crichton, but I do know what I’m talking about.

One of Bain’s methods was to buy a company, temporarily boost it’s earning by lowering its cost, borrow tremendously against that increased potential, buy back the shares of its investors with the borrowed money, and then leave the company to go bankrupt when it could not continue the pace higher earnings needed to pay off the borrowed money.

By that time, their shares were no longer in the company.

Additionally, they’d use smoke and mirrors consisting of holding companies, bankruptcy laws, corporate law, and manipulated appraisals to enormously profit from particular targeted companies.

That is not how a free market works, and if you were one of the non-Bain bond holders of that company or one of the employees, creditors, or contractors walking into bankruptcy court with only a prayer of getting pennies on the dollar, then you’d not feel so kindly toward Bain and Romney.

Romney is the ultimate vulture capitalist.


41 posted on 01/13/2012 11:11:05 AM PST by xzins (Vulture Capitalism is Crony Capitalism on Crack)
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To: Crichton; P-Marlowe

Sorry, Crichton, but I do know what I’m talking about.

One of Bain’s methods was to buy a company, temporarily boost it’s earning by lowering its cost, borrow tremendously against that increased potential, buy back the shares of its investors with the borrowed money, and then leave the company to go bankrupt when it could not continue the pace higher earnings needed to pay off the borrowed money.

By that time, their shares were no longer in the company.

Additionally, they’d use smoke and mirrors consisting of holding companies, bankruptcy laws, corporate law, and manipulated appraisals to enormously profit from particular targeted companies.

That is not how a free market works, and if you were one of the non-Bain bond holders of that company or one of the employees, creditors, or contractors walking into bankruptcy court with only a prayer of getting pennies on the dollar, then you’d not feel so kindly toward Bain and Romney.

Romney is the ultimate vulture capitalist.


42 posted on 01/13/2012 11:11:05 AM PST by xzins (Vulture Capitalism is Crony Capitalism on Crack)
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To: Crichton

So your point being, this is really NOT an attack on capitalism.
You just don’t want Newt to win, and it is better to beat up Newt
and Perry about their questions about Romney.


43 posted on 01/13/2012 11:15:46 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (We Can Take OUR Country Back--Perry 2012)
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To: stillafreemind
It's time for conservative and Tea Party supporters to merge. I can't hardly watch the negativity in the press right now.

Then don't watch. I haven't watched TV news in over 3 years and my life has been a lot less stressful.
44 posted on 01/13/2012 11:17:51 AM PST by Antoninus (Defeat Romney--Defeat Obama.)
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To: mylife
Laura Igraham is way over the top! She is so kissing Romneys arse!

STOP LISTENING.

Hit 'em where it hurts.
45 posted on 01/13/2012 11:19:16 AM PST by Antoninus (Defeat Romney--Defeat Obama.)
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To: stillafreemind

I’m much more turned off by Rush’s and the former mayor of NYC’s attacks on Newt and Perry for responding to dirty politics by Myth, then I am for the actual responses by Newt and Perry. But keep on selling those broken down arguments GOP PTB and see if you can get anyone else to buy into them.

I suppose that next they’ll blame Rick Santorum for getting the dirty end of the Myth-stick this week, should Rick dare to respond to the lies and propaganda of Mitt’s super-scum pak. :rolls eyes:


46 posted on 01/13/2012 11:19:35 AM PST by RobinWWJD
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To: Crichton
Seriously. We're all sitting here begging for a conservative alternative to Romney, so what do his opponents do? Why, attack him from the left, of course!

I think my palm has become permanently attached to my forehead over the course of this election cycle.
47 posted on 01/13/2012 11:34:58 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: Crichton

Yep. What worries me most is the gaffes and bad decision making on the parts of Newt & Perry. What were they thinking? Didn’t they consider the consequences of their actions?


48 posted on 01/13/2012 12:06:00 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: mylife

Friend, this Pubbie nomination process is in its infancy!!! If you are so narrowminded to think that the only folks being considered are those officially running, the you really do not know much about politics. IMHO, this road race is going to witness many twists and turns, with additional [players coming in and out of the lead or the race!!!

And.....please, I am not a Romney man, and...as for Obama, I might let him play “Buckwheat” in old time “Our Gang” movies. Obama as an American and human being is totally worthless with absolutely no redeemable attributes, period. IMHO, Obama is a true enemy of the United States of America!!!


49 posted on 01/13/2012 12:19:32 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Crichton

Romney is the biggest fraud that we have ever seen in GOP politics, and you are promoting him?


50 posted on 01/13/2012 1:45:51 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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