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POLL: Paul surges, Santorum Plunges in South Carolina (Drudge Headline)
American Research Group Inc (Drudge Report) ^ | 1/13/11

Posted on 01/13/2012 11:40:02 AM PST by traviskicks

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To: Proud2BeRight

As I mentioned in an earlier post. I’m not a fan of RP, but I’ll pick him over Romney. Your post makes good points and, coupled with what I said above, gives you a sense of where I am regarding Romney.


51 posted on 01/13/2012 12:44:46 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: jpsb

CNN will host.


52 posted on 01/13/2012 12:45:13 PM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Maybe Newt has changed and maybe not, he is my second after Paul, but clearly Paul has been a constitution conservative his entire time in D.C. Consistency over the long haul, even when unpopular, means something.


53 posted on 01/13/2012 12:45:34 PM PST by jpsb
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To: LuvFreeRepublic; All
Never mind, here is the link:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/bachmann-staffer-blasts-sexist-santorum-campaign

Not sure when this comment was made, but Bachman responded to it. It may be a dated comment, but nonetheless, STUPID comment.

54 posted on 01/13/2012 12:45:40 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic ( (I am angry and that is why I am #withNewt))
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To: cotton1706
It’s a different state. Santorum is from Pennsylvania and is probably not trusted by South Carolinians (though I can’t fathom why they’d trust Romney other than they’re listening to the whispers that only Romney can win.)

True....a Catholic Yankee is a hard sell down here.

55 posted on 01/13/2012 12:45:46 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
All you have to do is watch some of the Freedom speeches he did a few years back

A few years back was smack dab in the middle of his 15 years of living off his connections as a govt establishment insider.

It is impossible, IMO, for a lover of American history and our constitution to sit back and watch America be destroyed.

I respect your opinion, but imo Newt has been doing exactly that ever since he left office (when not promoting global warming & health care entitlements) and ran for president to help his book sales and feed his ego.

56 posted on 01/13/2012 12:45:46 PM PST by Crichton
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To: GlockThe Vote
Ron Paul would be destroyed by Obama. Obama would win all 57 states by a wide margin. Once the Chicago Obama hit squad gets the media to start pumping out Ron Paul vile newsletters for display there will be nobody left to vote for him but his current brainwashed cult of foil-hats, dope smokers, a few Occupy parasites, white supremacists and Code Pinkos. I know I wouldn't vote for that anti-Constitution crackpot if it means another Obama term.
57 posted on 01/13/2012 12:48:28 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: logician2u

What a great speech, I can see Paul making such a speech and yes heads would explode. Wouldn’t it be great to have a free country again?


58 posted on 01/13/2012 12:56:24 PM PST by jpsb
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To: traviskicks

Why would GOP women be voting for Romney?


59 posted on 01/13/2012 12:58:56 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: NKP_Vet

Oh Ok, thanks, not sure if that is any better then Fox at this point.


60 posted on 01/13/2012 12:59:42 PM PST by jpsb
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To: traviskicks

We need a fighter to go up against Obama.

Newt has proven in the debates and in the campaign against Romney that he is willing to take the gloves off.

The time has come to rally behind Newt Gingrich!


61 posted on 01/13/2012 1:04:40 PM PST by proudpapa
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To: traviskicks

“Gingrich leads among men with 29%, followed by Paul with 23%, Romney at 18%, and Santorum with 14%. Among women, Romney leads with 38%, followed Gingrich with 22%, and Paul with 18%.”

Except, of course, for our intelligent FReeperettes, can’t we just have the women folk sit this one out?


62 posted on 01/13/2012 1:04:54 PM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Crichton
The real question is why were Santorum's number's that high in the first place.

He shot up in Iowa for no apparent reason.

He is simply a diversion from the only threat to Romney, Newt.

63 posted on 01/13/2012 1:05:59 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: Proud2BeRight
You have totally misrepresented Dr. Paul's position. As for your suggestions that he promotes isolationism & gutting U.S. defense, etc., let me refer you to a discussion of what George Washington had to say, relevant to what Dr. Paul has actually argued with respect to the issues you appear to be referring to:

Pseudo Pragmatism.

Note that Washington's discussion involves an analysis of the psychological issues involved, and actually nails the emotions behind much of the contemporary rhetoric, including the smears directed against Dr. Paul.

I think it is high time that we dispassionately discussed the actual issues, and remembered Reagan's 11th Commandment, by not engaging in smear tactics against any of the Republican candidates.

In a few months, we are going to have to desperately try to come together.

William Flax

64 posted on 01/13/2012 1:07:17 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: JDW11235
It’s very peculiar to see Santorum go from 24% to 7% in one week.

Rick may be a fine conservative, but after watching him, it is apparent that he does not have the "it" needed to inspire people. Rick has zero charisma. Sad, he is only going downhill after Iowa.

65 posted on 01/13/2012 1:14:48 PM PST by sand88 (Hey Rove et al, I will, with great pleasure, NOT cast a vote for the Statist Mitt.)
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To: 11th Commandment

Hmmm….

Speaker Gingrich-led Republicans….the result:

* Four consecutive balanced budgets
* Over $500 billion of debt paid off
* Major welfare reform accomplished
* 11 million new jobs for America
* Unemployment falling to under 4%.

Governor Willard-led.....the result:

Strike one = Romneycare with public option, intrusive mandates, death panel exchanges, and massive federal subsidies including subsidized $50 abortions through Planned Parenthood

Strike two = Flagrantly appointing tons of ulta-liberal judges

Strike three = A pathetic 47th in job creation as a massive business tax increasing governor after first, shipping American jobs to China for many years as a Bain executive


66 posted on 01/13/2012 2:23:42 PM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: cuban leaf
I wouldn’t. If Hitler ran against Satan himself, I’d not vote.


Robot Nixon.
* Why settle for the lesser of two evils?
* We need a president who is made in America and represents American manufacturing.
* A president who believes in America and has the cybernetically enhanced firepower to back up those beliefs.
67 posted on 01/13/2012 2:25:42 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: SharpRightTurn

If we could only find a way to distract them. (~8


68 posted on 01/13/2012 2:25:52 PM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Ohioan
Ron Paul is NOT a Republican candidate. Ron Paul is a libertarian, and a extreme nutty one at that. He should be in the Libertarian Party but nobody pays any attention to them. Ron Paul is NOT conservative and he is a major threat to the defense of this nation.

You want to discuss issues? I'll give you issues:
Ron Paul praises traitors. That is an issue.
Ron Paul published vile newsletters for decades and then lied about them. That is an issue.
Ron Paul wants to close ALL US foreign military bases. That is an issue.
Ron Paul does not have a problem with terrorist nations getting nukes. That is an issue.
Ron Paul is supported by and sympathizes with the Occupy parasites. That is an issue.
Ron Paul appears on kook fringe conspiracy shows and panders to those nuts. That is an issue.
Ron Paul has partnered with Soros and Barney Frank. That is an issue.
Ron Paul has recently gained the support of Stormfront, Code Pinko, and the KKK. That is an issue.
Ron Paul wants to gut the US military. That is an issue.
Ron Paul blamed the US for 9/11. That is an issue.
Ron Paul panders to the Truther whackos.

Is that a good start for “issues”?

69 posted on 01/13/2012 2:54:12 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: cuban leaf
At this point, it can’t hurt.

I have to admit that I've been toying with that sentiment, too. The race has devolved into craziness. That said, Paul won't win, but he should have enough delegates to demand something -- Fed Chairmanship or Sec'y of Treasury might not be bad spots for him.

70 posted on 01/13/2012 2:54:34 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Will88

Yes. Santorum is slipping because he is being ignored by the media. The word is that he won the Iowa primary. they are doing a recount. All we hear is Romney won both and is now the assumed nominee. Any way Santorum did better than Newt in both contests.


71 posted on 01/13/2012 3:06:30 PM PST by RightLady (Liberty above all)
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Slap those Dems!




72 posted on 01/13/2012 3:11:54 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: RoosterRedux

That’s what the poll is showing. Paul is rising, Romney is rising (to 49 percent in SC!).

Newt can’t win if it’s 49 percent between Paul and Romney.

I’m not sure why the Newt fans are so happy about this poll, this is bad news for him.


73 posted on 01/13/2012 3:42:32 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: CainConservative

Yeah, I’m totally thrilled with Mitt/Paul/Newt finish in SC.

Looks like that’s what is going to happen. Enjoy the fruits.


74 posted on 01/13/2012 3:44:31 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: sand88

I watched the knives come out against Cain. I’ll be damned if those same knives come out against Santorum.

Yeah, Newt is just ‘inspiring’ people to victory. He’s yet to beat Paul here.

What are you going to say when Paul passes him in SC? ;) I bet THAT will be a shock.


75 posted on 01/13/2012 3:46:26 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Why would they be afraid of a Newt victory? It means the gravy train keeps on rolling.

Also - the man simply can’t beat Romney. If they can push out the only conservative who can beat him then they can set up the 3 card monte that they’ve been trying to do from the beginning.

Obama - Romney as the nominee. Obama - Romney - Newt after SC is their wet dream. Then nobody has to care about the conservatives and Obama wins.


76 posted on 01/13/2012 3:49:23 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: logician2u
Heads would explode.

The splat heard 'round the world.

77 posted on 01/13/2012 4:10:32 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: cuban leaf
There is not much on which I disagree with him. At this point, it can’t hurt.

Are you out of your mind? It can't hurt to surrender to the terrorists? It can't hurt to experiment with perverts in the military? It can't hurt to legalize the legalization of all illegal drugs and prostitution? It can;t hurt to blame America for every problem in the world? It can't hurt to put millions into earmarks? It can't hurt to let OWS rule? It can't hurt to take our walking papers from code pink?
If the surrender monkey's policies can't hurt, nothing can.
78 posted on 01/13/2012 4:21:39 PM PST by John D
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To: jpsb
. He can do that all by himself with the stroke of a pen making all executive orders since 1933 null and void.

But you know Cut and Run will not do anything. In the over quarter century he has been in Washington has he ever done anything, except acquire more earmarks than anybody running and blame America for every problem in the world?
79 posted on 01/13/2012 4:36:12 PM PST by John D
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To: jpsb
and only Ron Paul is talking about that.

And can you name one thing the surrender monkey has ever done but talk? Other than acquire more earmarks than anybody running and blame America for every problem in the world?
I am still waiting for any paulbot to inform me of ANYTHING he has ever actually accomplished. And I have been asking this question for about four years.
80 posted on 01/13/2012 4:45:02 PM PST by John D
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To: GlockThe Vote
Ron Paul would destroy Obama. He would peel off 10-15 of the demos, get the indes, and the repubs would have to support im over thugbama.

What would be the difference between Cut and Run and the king?
Both blame America for every problem in the world. Both want to experiment with perverts in the military. Both support OWS and Code Pink. Both want to legalize mind altering drugs and prostitution. Both think Bush was gleeful when their terrorist friends attacked on 9/11.
About the only difference between the two is that Obama did not think it was a bad idea to eliminate OBL. The surrender monkey thought we were wrong because it took away his civil right to kill Americans.
81 posted on 01/13/2012 5:00:13 PM PST by John D
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To: GlockThe Vote
If Romney is stuck at 25-27%, Paul is stuck at 20% or less.

Paul is good at drawing out his devout followers...but he is no good at converts.

82 posted on 01/13/2012 5:07:25 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: jpsb
but clearly Paul has been a constitution conservative his entire time in D.C.

What makes you say such a ridiculous statement? What has he ever done to make him a constitution conservative?
He talks, but that is all he ever does. He agrees with parts of the Constitution, but feels the parts he doesn't like are unconstitutional, but has he EVER challenged anything he feels unconstitutional? If he felt something was unconstitutional why did he not challenge it?
83 posted on 01/13/2012 5:16:09 PM PST by John D
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To: jpsb
but clearly Paul has been a constitution conservative his entire time in D.C.

What makes you make such a ridiculous statement? What has he ever done to make him a constitution conservative?
He talks, but that is all he ever does. He agrees with parts of the Constitution, but feels the parts he doesn't like are unconstitutional, but has he EVER challenged anything he feels unconstitutional? If he felt something was unconstitutional why did he not challenge it?
84 posted on 01/13/2012 5:16:50 PM PST by John D
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To: RoosterRedux

Yes he is going to have to show he can break his ceiling of 20%ish, very true


85 posted on 01/13/2012 5:32:08 PM PST by jpsb
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To: SpringtoLiberty

Well, it’s not so much about anti-government (they care less about that- these are the same folks who voted for Obama) but his isolationist and peacenik policies.


86 posted on 01/13/2012 5:49:36 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: John D

Maybe if you spent your time actually supporting a candidate, you wouldn’t have this problem.


87 posted on 01/13/2012 11:45:15 PM PST by jmc813
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To: John D

Let me rephrase: It can’t hurt worse than Obama.

I confess I was being a bit tongue in cheek with my comment. I see Paul as the Republican equivalent of Obama in some ways. Obviously he has more track record and experience, but that track record is exactly why he can’t win. I do agree on legalizing drugs, even though I have not touched the stuff (and then only marijuana) since 1977. And I’d love to see it taxed like alcohol. Mind you, I’m talking about thins that can be grown easily in the US.

I’m in Kentucky now. Did you know that we were the main supplier of hemp to the military during WWII? But it’s illegal because hemp is a cousin of Marijuana and has the same heat signature under infrared sighting, which would make it difficult for the DEA choppers around here to spot “real” marijuana from the air. But they are trying to make it legal here because it would be a great cash crop replacing Tobacco.

Meanwhile they are trying to force people to get a prescription to get Pseudophed because of the meth lab problem. I really hate it when the acts of a few cause the government to hinder the day-to-day activities of the rest of us.

But I digress. No, I am not really a fan of Paul, though he does have the unique opportunity to at least cause some people to think about what they believe about government and why they believe it.

I think we’re headed for a world of hurt no matter who becomes our president in 2012, so I watch the election in the same spirit many will be watching the superbowl. I bought my farm in Kentucky two weeks before Obama was elected and moved here in August from my four decade home of Seattle. A major part of my reasoning was caused by my being what is now called a “prepper”.


88 posted on 01/16/2012 4:35:11 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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