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Retailers warn economy will be slowed by new trucker scheduling rules
The Hill ^ | 1/12/12 | Keith Laing

Posted on 01/13/2012 5:23:22 PM PST by Libloather

Retailers warn economy will be slowed by new trucker scheduling rules
By Keith Laing - 01/12/12 11:27 AM ET

New limits on the number of hours truck drivers can work per week enacted by the Department of Transportation will put the brakes on commerce, the lobbying group for retail companies said Thursday.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Association (FMCSA) announced last month that its new rules for trucker scheduling will limit the number of hours a driver can work to 70 per week. Under the old rules, truckers could drive 82 hours per week.

The Washington-based National Retail Federation (NRF) said those lost hours will increase the cost of doing business for its members.

“The new rule is a bit complicated but the ramifications are severe and will surely be felt on America’s roadways and throughout the retail industry supply chain,” NRF Vice President of Supply Chain Jon Gold wrote in a post on the organization’s blog Thursday.

“NRF believes that these changes will drive up retailer transportation costs and make trucking less safe due to the fact that more trucks will have to be added onto our already congested roadways to make up for those drivers on mandatory breaks,” Gold said.

He added that the new FMCSA rules “failed to truly recognize the importance of nighttime driving and early morning deliveries.”

“As we all know, many retailers rely upon nighttime driving and early morning deliveries as a way to keep costs down and trucks off the road during peak driving times to reduce congestion with passenger vehicles,” Gold said.

When the new rules were finalized by Obama administration transportation officials last month, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said they were an important step toward improving the safety of the national transportation system.

“Trucking is a difficult job, and a big rig can be deadly when a driver is tired and overworked,” LaHood said in a statement in December. “This final rule will help prevent fatigue-related truck crashes and save lives. Truck drivers deserve a work environment that allows them to perform their jobs safely.”

Safety advocates have pushed transportation officials to also reduce the number of hours truckers may drive each day, but DOT chose to maintain the daily 11-hour limit on driving. Under the FMCSA proposal, however, truckers will be required to take a break of at least 30 minutes for every eight hours they drive.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; retailers; rules; trucker; trucking
Obamaville.
1 posted on 01/13/2012 5:23:31 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Wrong, this started way before obummer.


2 posted on 01/13/2012 5:31:34 PM PST by org.whodat (What is the difference in Newt's, Perry's and Willard's positions on Amnesty.)
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To: Libloather

They will drive faster and safety will be compromised.


3 posted on 01/13/2012 5:33:21 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: Libloather

Every new rule and regulation that comes out of this administration is created to employ the most amount of havoc and economic destruction they can incorporate into the daily lives of every breathing creature.


4 posted on 01/13/2012 5:34:24 PM PST by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Libloather
From Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, Part 1. A group of regulations imposed by Wesley Mouch. One of them was:

Railroads are to slow down and run smaller trains, and to run an equal number of trains in multi-state districts designed by the government for just that purpose.

Familiar?

5 posted on 01/13/2012 5:38:46 PM PST by Publius
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To: Libloather
The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Association (FMCSA) announced last month that its new rules for trucker scheduling will limit the number of hours a driver can work to 70 per week. Under the old rules, truckers could drive 82 hours per week.

Limit the number of hours from 82 to 70? For who? Long haul trucks haven't been able to go over 70 hrs per week for decades.

6 posted on 01/13/2012 5:40:57 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Libloather
Retailers warn economy will be slowed by new trucker scheduling rules

Oh it will not!

I can guarantee you that people WILL spend their money on SOMETHING.

What ELSE would they do with it?

Save it???

HAHAHAHA!

7 posted on 01/13/2012 5:42:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Libloather

There are very few truckers who do 7 straight 11.7 hour days to total 82 hours a week. I don’t know any. Can’t say I ever met any. I’m sure they exist, but I’m thinking they’re not all that common. Maybe they meant team-driving.


8 posted on 01/13/2012 5:42:57 PM PST by xzins (Vulture Capitalism is Crony Capitalism on Crack)
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To: Libloather

I deal with truckers in my work,and too many drive tired.

Businesses want the stuff delivered but nobody wants to let the trucker park in THEIR lot and get some much-needed sleep.Truckers have falsified their driving logs for decades in order to keep their job.The trucking companies and their dispatchers routinely expect drivers to do whatever it takes,legal or not,to get the freight delivered on time.I’ve seen trucker who could hardly keep their head up splash water on their face and start another run.And truckers sick with the flu yet pushing 40 tons down the road.

The much-vaunted deregulation enriched a newly created class of brokers who took the profits that should have gone to the drivers.

And no,I don’t now,and never really wanted to drive a truck.But I’ve met thousands in my career and they are mostly good people trying to make a living.


9 posted on 01/13/2012 5:43:51 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: xzins

No,they drive 15 hour days and make fake logbooks.


10 posted on 01/13/2012 5:48:45 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Libloather
It says that there is already an 11 hour per day limit for drivers. So that means that legally a driver can only drive 77 hours per week.

So this would be just a 10% reduction in hours driven per day.

I don't see how this would lead to more trucks on the road. It would just mean 10% more truckers needed to put in the driving hours necessary to get the goods to where they need to go.

This is bad for those truckers that get paid by the hour and want all the hours they can get. This is good for truckers in general as it means a higher demand for truckers ... unless of course the 10% is filled by Mexican truck drivers.

This should be good for the average driver as there will be fewer sleepy truck drivers on the road.

The average consumer will see the delivery cost go up about 10% since trucking companies will have to hire more truckers.

Those who are against the 70 hour/wk limit should presumably be against any limit at all. So even the current 82 hour/wk limit should be anathema. If the average person only needs 8 hours of sleep, then truckers should be allowed to drive (24-8)*7 = 112 hrs/wk.

11 posted on 01/13/2012 5:51:39 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Libloather

All the night driving and early deliveries is because the retailers don’t want to “waste” space having a stockroom.

The old saying was a city would be in trouble after 4 days without deliveries;I wonder how many now would have problems in 2 days?

The JIT meme is fine IF nothing ever breaks down.


12 posted on 01/13/2012 5:53:41 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Your calculation doesn’t allow any time for those truckers to eat,shower,shave,change clothes,wash clothes,use the toilet,etc.

I’ve met a few truckers like that and ,so far, they were mostly Mexican drivers.Both truck and drivers literally stank from no hygiene.Where do you suppose the waste goes when the truck has a outhouse hole in the floor?


13 posted on 01/13/2012 6:03:14 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Libloather
Trucking must be a miserable occupation these days. It's one of the few jobs that is always hiring. They'll even pay you while you're training.

So what's the catch?

14 posted on 01/13/2012 6:21:05 PM PST by Drew68
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

It’s crap. Most OTR drivers are paid by the mile. Cut their hours and you cut their miles and their pay. It’s bad enough some truckers can have a rough period where it’s hard to make the equivalent of minimum wage. When they’re on the clock waiting to get unloaded or loaded the federales don’t care that the driver has to make up those miles to keep dispatch happy and build his paycheck.

What the feds are doing if more drivers are needed is creating a demand for new drivers which don’t have the experience. Some ads now say a company will accept someone with two years of experience. I’ve even rarely seen less. Think about that when you’re on the interstate alongside a truck with the placard showing a hazmat. Welcome to the world of FUBAR federale regulation.

Other regulations that create the difficulties faced when complying with hazmat quals, TWIC cards and all the other BS mean many truckers are just saying screw it and leaving the profession.


15 posted on 01/13/2012 6:30:25 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: Drew68

I am an owner/operator that hauls bulk propane out of the refineries in Wa State. Being Hazmat, I do not run fake logs, and run near my 70 hour limit. The new rules require us to log breaks during the day and reduce our available driving hours.

This is nothing more than the continued assault on any functional part of our economy by Obozo. Without trucks, this nation grinds to a halt. Everything you buy has been on a truck. Everything.


16 posted on 01/13/2012 6:32:30 PM PST by datura (R.I.P. GOP - Time For Some TEA!)
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To: datura

One old guy summed up your point really well once when I was a dumb teenager by saying everything but the air you breathe is brought in by truck.


17 posted on 01/13/2012 6:38:24 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Publius

Sadly sounds all to familiar and not unexpected. Ayn Rand was right about out of control government.


18 posted on 01/13/2012 6:40:23 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: org.whodat
Wrong, this started way before obummer.

That's odd. Since it's a new law.

When the new rules were finalized by Obama administration transportation officials last month...
19 posted on 01/13/2012 6:47:41 PM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else.)
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To: xzins
There are very few truckers who do 7 straight 11.7 hour days to total 82 hours a week.

Yeah...but around the shale oil deposits this is the norm...

each well needs over a million gallons of water during the fracking process.....

and when the well is producing oil has to be trucked to the rail head.

It takes as much as one million gallons of water to frac a single Bakken oil well. Frac water is freshwater that is used to pressurize and fracture oil-bearing formations to increase permeability and enhance the flow and recovery of oil. Frac water is typically transported in 7,500 to 8,000-gallon tanker trucks from a freshwater well to the oil well location, so it takes at least 125 tanker loads per well. It’s easy to see that getting water to a well site can be a time-consuming effort, and if trucks are waiting in line for hours, like they were last Thursday in Watford City, it can be frustrating for the truck driver as well as the oil company.

Oil companies typically send trucks to the closest water source, and last Thursday it was easy to see that Watford City was the closest source for many drivers, as there were 25 waiting in line to fill their tanks.

Pic at http://www.watfordcitynd.com/?id=10&nid=1175

20 posted on 01/13/2012 6:54:21 PM PST by spokeshave (Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline)
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To: formosa

and force more hours to the Mexican truckers.


21 posted on 01/13/2012 6:57:09 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law.)
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To: spokeshave
..truckers could drive 82 hours per week.

I thought slavery was outlawed. I'm all for this change.

22 posted on 01/13/2012 7:14:49 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: savagesusie

and force more hours to the Mexican truckers.”

We drove back from southeast Colorado to southeast Texas over Christmas. Grandson and I kept track of the number of trucks we passed which had a Mexico or Canada address on their rig. Less than 10% were from the U.S. Once it turned Midnight not many trucks on the road but the service areas were jammed with them stopping for a few hours rest.


23 posted on 01/13/2012 7:19:26 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: nhwingut

These FMCSA hours-of-service rules have undergone multiple changes over the last ten years. This is just the latest generation, with other major changes in 2002 and 2005.


24 posted on 01/13/2012 7:22:40 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Libloather

Nope, SOP for Cook County, IL.


25 posted on 01/13/2012 7:29:15 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Publius
Familiar?

Yes, try FDR and look up Wickard v. Filburn.

26 posted on 01/13/2012 7:32:18 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
This is good for truckers in general as it means a higher demand for truckers.

And here I thought this was a conservative site. Why not just reduce the max hours down to 38.5 and double the number of truckers needed? No wait, you could eliminate trucks and then get the donkey breeders employed!

There's a real need for basic economics training here on FR. Read Bastiat, Smith, and look up FEE or Austrian Economics. In the meantime, stop commenting on economic issues. FDR was wrong.

27 posted on 01/13/2012 7:39:50 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“This should be good for the average driver as there will be fewer sleepy truck drivers on the road.”

No, it just means more will be cheating on the logbooks.

The easiest way to control someone is to make a criminal of them


28 posted on 01/13/2012 7:53:31 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

Cheating on the logbooks(which has always been common) is becoming rather harder with the installation of computerized logging systems onboard the truck.Big companies are doing this for liability reasons and I heard these devices will be mandatory in trucks in a couple years by federal law.Well,maybe only in U.S. trucks...


29 posted on 01/14/2012 8:57:26 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: 1010RD
And I thought reading comprehension was a prerequisite for understanding the works of the Austrian economists.

Silly me.

30 posted on 01/14/2012 11:26:17 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: hoosierham

[Where do you suppose the waste goes when the truck has a outhouse hole in the floor?]

Getting off the subject, I’m old enough to remember when the toilets of passenger trains flushed directly onto the tracks. Conductors would lock the bathroom doors when the train was stopped at a station.


31 posted on 01/14/2012 4:53:32 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Grams A

Must have been a lot from Canada because only 2 or 3 carriers have been approved for Mexico to USA cross border, totaling as many trucks. One of those trucks being a straight hauling sea food in the Tijuana to San Diego area.

As much as people are freaking out about Mexican trucks coming up here the Mexicans don’t want to mess around with the FMCSA and on-board recorders that they’d be required to use.

Earlier this week Lockridge was reporting that only 6 carriers total had even applied. So chances are you didn’t see all that many trucks from Mexico.

Just sayin...


32 posted on 01/14/2012 6:35:24 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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