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Rossi Changes Plan Regarding Refueling of E-Cats
E-Cat World ^ | 1-12-2012 | admin

Posted on 01/14/2012 2:50:38 AM PST by count-your-change

In an interesting and somewhat surprising move, Andrea Rossi now says that the home-based E-Cats he is planning to launch can be refueled by the customer. Rossi was asked by a reader of his blog how often and by whom the E-Cats would be recharged.

Rossi replied: ” 1- Yes, every 6 months the domestic E-Cat will have to be refilled. 2- the refilling operation will be made by the Customer himself or by his usual plumber, or installer. It will be a very simple operation.” (emphasis added)

The big change here is that previously, Rossi has always said that one of his agents would do all the refueling, even though the the procedure would be very simple. Rossi has always been very protective of his trade secrets, and the surprise here is that he now is going to let the customer handle the part of the reactor that presumably contains the prepared powdered nickel. Perhaps that reactor does not contain the secret catalyst, or perhaps he feels the refill is protected in such a way that it won’t be possible to uncover the secret........

(Excerpt) Read more at e-catworld.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canr; cmns; coldfusion; doubletap; ecat; lenr
Millions of small e-cats (e-kittens?) are planned for manufacture according to Rossi and the price is now going to be about $50/kw, also according to Rossi, but so far no model has been presented to the public. At least none that I can find other than some artists conceptual drawing.

Now the latest announcement by Rossi is that the problem of refueling every six months or so by a technician has been solved or will be solved.

1 posted on 01/14/2012 2:50:39 AM PST by count-your-change
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To: count-your-change

2 posted on 01/14/2012 3:05:55 AM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: count-your-change
What is the E-Cat?

E-Cat is short for the term “energy catalyzer” and is a device in which hydrogen gas, powdered nickel metal, and an undisclosed proprietary catalyst are combined to produce a large amount of heat through a little understood low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) process inside a specially designed chamber. The inner workings of the reactor are covered by a trade secret which Rossi consistently refuses to discuss.

In this process, when an external heat source is applied (Electric or fossil) it is claimed that the nucleus of a hydrogen atom, a proton, penetrates a nickel nucleus and in doing so a nickel atom becomes a copper atom, and releases gamma rays creating a large amount of thermal energy. From reports of tests, it appears that the reaction begins when the reactor is heated to around 60 degrees Celsius, and once the reaction is stable, the external heat can be turned off and the reaction can continue for a considerable length of time. In an October 6th test in Bologna, Italy, the E-Cat ran without external heat (referred to as ‘self-sustain mode) for almost four hours, maintaining a constant temperature and boiling water continuously.

How long the E-Cat can run in self sustain mode without external heat being applied is unknown, but Andrea Rossi has said that for safe and stable operations it is necessary that the external heat source be cycled on and off.

The energy produced by the nuclear reactions is used to heat water, and the output of the E-Cat is hot water or steam. Lead and Boron are used as a shield to prevent the release of gamma rays during the reactions, and when the reactions are complete (The hydrogen input is turned off) there is no radioactive waste.

The significance of the E-Cat as an energy source is that it can produce energy at a much cheaper rate and much more cleanly than other sources on the market. The major ingredients, nickel and hydrogen are common elements and readily available at low cost and are consumed in very small quantities. There is no release of CO2 or other greenhouse gases from the E-Cat. Unlike traditional nuclear fission power, no radioactive materials are involved, and no radioactive waste is produced.

3 posted on 01/14/2012 3:06:41 AM PST by NYTexan
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To: count-your-change; ASA Vet; NYTexan

That does it.

I’m calling “Mr. Fusion.”


4 posted on 01/14/2012 3:10:47 AM PST by sinanju (ua)
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To: count-your-change

I’m been following this ecat from the start. Insane. 1 day you think this is absolutely a scam. The next you think there’s no way in ehll it’s not true. Back and forth, on and on.
I’m tired of it. But I keep on checking it out.


5 posted on 01/14/2012 3:23:23 AM PST by Hokestuk
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To: count-your-change; dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; ...

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144

Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum
-—— or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam;
-—— certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device
-—— and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion
-—— to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat,
-—— to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars
-—— until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table
-—— because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes
-—— and knows that they will just take his word for it
-—— and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.


6 posted on 01/14/2012 3:48:30 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: count-your-change; dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; ...

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144

Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum
-—— or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam;
-—— certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device
-—— and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion
-—— to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat,
-—— to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars
-—— until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table
-—— because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes
-—— and knows that they will just take his word for it
-—— and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.


7 posted on 01/14/2012 3:49:51 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: count-your-change
Now the latest announcement by Rossi is that the problem of refueling every six months or so by a technician has been solved or will be solved
The most interesting part of this is that Rossi claims he "enriches" the Nickel "fuel" used in the E-Cat so that it has more of specific isotopes. He claims to be able to do this without any significant equipment, and for pennies a gram (otherwise he couldn't be offering a six-month "refill" for only $10 - $20). LINK

This process of isotope enrichment is the same process necessary to produce nuclear bombs. It is a major industrial process, which can strain the capabilities of entire nations. For example, Iran is currently working on this for their nuclear program. LINK

This process, if Rossi can really do it, is far more valuable than the E-Cat itself, and yet Rossi treats it as no big deal.

There is also the fact that the isotope analysis of the "fuel" and "ash" supposedly from a working E-Cat shows no sign of the isotope "enrichment" that Rossi describes, nor does it show any signs of any transmutation isotopes (only the isotopes found in natural Nickel, Iron and Copper).

Note that Kullander said that a detailed analysis of the Rossi E-Cat "fuel" and "ash" would be released by Christmas. LINK

We're still waiting.

8 posted on 01/14/2012 3:52:19 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Hokestuk

Well said. I completely concur!


9 posted on 01/14/2012 3:57:42 AM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: ASA Vet

reload that puppy!


10 posted on 01/14/2012 4:12:40 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Kevmo

Reasons to doubt Rossi

And, the biggest reason to doubt Rossi:

11 posted on 01/14/2012 4:49:59 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: count-your-change

All doubt would evaporate with one demonstration of an actual working model.........Waiting!!!


12 posted on 01/14/2012 5:04:33 AM PST by ontap
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To: count-your-change

We will know one way or the other in a very short time.

If the E-Cat is really what it claims to be, this will be a substantial positive change in a modern life. One implication will be to substantially neutralize a significant leftist issue of hydrocarbon consumption. I can’t wait to see how they will respond. Will they turn on the E-Cat and decry it as a “risky” technology that must be banned until proven safe?


13 posted on 01/14/2012 5:28:31 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: ontap

Millions of the domestic variety are on the way, workers are being recruited, factories stand at the ready to fill the orders received, companies are being formed and partnerships forged,.......can’t you just feel the excitement building??!! No? Me either.


14 posted on 01/14/2012 5:33:46 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Here's the words straight from LENR's superstar:
The big science, after trying to ridiculize us, now has understood that the E-Cat works, so now they are trying to copy and make patents to overcome us, discourage us and trying with this sophysticated way to stop us under a disguise of an indirect vindication. Is a smart move, but they are underevaluating us. I will never stop, within one year we will start the delivery of million pieces at 50 $/kW, with a totally new concept, at that point the game will be over. This technology must be popular, must cost a very low price, must be a real revoluton, not a bunch of theoretical (wrong) chatters.

15 posted on 01/14/2012 5:35:01 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: theBuckwheat

You don’t have to worry about the “risky stuff” if it works GE will buy it and stuff it. Am I the only one that remembers the Natural/Propane gas converter (proven by our satellite technology) that was being developed and targeted at 5k per household a few years ago? It was tested at a NY police station where the cost to add power lines etc underground was prohibitive. GE bought it out and stuffed the project.


16 posted on 01/14/2012 5:48:11 AM PST by Ab Alius Domitor ("In the end; the winner")
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To: Johnny B.
“This process, if Rossi can really do it, is far more valuable than the E-Cat itself, and yet Rossi treats it as no big deal.”

Nothing is a big deal unless one can actually do it. The most important accomplishment so far is an attempt at name change from cold fusion to Rossi-Focardi Low Energy Nuclear Reaction to give an air of reality to the rabbit Rossi says is in the hat.

Every once in while Rossi announces something new about how the rabbit will be pulled from the hat, how big it will be, when it will happen, where it will happen, how much it will cost........But we never see the hare for the hype!

17 posted on 01/14/2012 5:55:22 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: NYTexan
To put the best possible face on all that and answer the title question: It's a water heater. Not that the world couldn't use another good water heater but so far that's what an e-cat is.
18 posted on 01/14/2012 6:18:01 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Johnny B.
"This process, if Rossi can really do it, is far more valuable than the E-Cat itself, and yet Rossi treats it as no big deal."

Excuse me....more valuable than controlled, easy to implement fusion reactions?? Sorry....no.

19 posted on 01/14/2012 6:19:50 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: sinanju

From the picture Mr. Fusion may be a little late today.


20 posted on 01/14/2012 6:20:16 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Moonman62

Millions of pieces? Of course. Why not?


21 posted on 01/14/2012 6:36:05 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Hokestuk

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the Brits are so fond of saying.

The proof of the E-Cat is in the heating..........


22 posted on 01/14/2012 6:55:59 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Of course they will. Any technology that undermines their faith in Global Warming will be attacked and made to look dangerous, so people will shy away.

The Communists have latched on to the environmental movement to further their agenda of destruction of the capitalist system, so anything that would hamper that agenda must be destroyed, either physically or figuratively.

Let’s say, just for argument’s sake, that the E-Cat is 100% real and will work as advertised. The Left will immediately begin a campaign of “doubt and fear insertion” into the public mind, “It might cause cancer.”, “It may be harmful to children.”, “It could disrupt reproductive health.”, “It may cause irreparable harm to the environment.”, “It might cause Global Cooling.”..............


23 posted on 01/14/2012 7:06:00 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"This process, if Rossi can really do it, is far more valuable than the E-Cat itself, and yet Rossi treats it as no big deal."

Excuse me....more valuable than controlled, easy to implement fusion reactions?? Sorry....no.

Oh great. Now there's an argument about which of Rossi's non-existent technologies is more valuable.

BTW, fusion reactions by themselves aren't terribly difficult or valuable. Two teenagers have done it using deuterium gas plasmas.

24 posted on 01/14/2012 7:29:01 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: count-your-change

I’m starting to wonder if Rossi’s scam is for the money or for the attention and adulation.


25 posted on 01/14/2012 7:36:06 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Johnny B.

You crack me up. I didn’t post this article. Why didn’t you post your precious blurb to the freeper who posted the article? Because you’re here to harrass, not enlighten.


26 posted on 01/14/2012 8:41:46 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

A combination thereof?


27 posted on 01/14/2012 9:00:40 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Refueled every six months?
He’s never showed they can work for more than a few hours at a time.


28 posted on 01/14/2012 9:04:24 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Imaginary fuel for imaginary devices. How many e-cats have actually been produced that will require refueling as of today?

One?

29 posted on 01/14/2012 9:25:53 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo
Why didn’t you post your precious blurb to the freeper who posted the article?

Because he's responding to the short instruction manual on how to run a cold fusion scam that you've posted hundreds of times.

30 posted on 01/14/2012 9:26:57 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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31 posted on 01/14/2012 9:34:05 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Why didn’t you post your precious blurb to the freeper who posted the article? Because you’re here to harrass, not enlighten.
That is my reply to your silly rant. As long as you continue to post it, I'll continue to reply to it.

At least I didn't post mine multiple times.

32 posted on 01/14/2012 11:20:49 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: theBuckwheat

Yes, a neutering of the loony enviro-whacko lobby would be one of the more delightful apsects of worldwide e-cat/LENR energy consumption. Still waiting....though I’ve been reading of these matters for less than a year, which is virtually no time at all.


33 posted on 01/15/2012 9:30:04 AM PST by citizen (Conservatives, we must choose: Do you want to beat Romney more than Obama? IMHO, we can't do both.)
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To: count-your-change
It's a water heater. Not that the world couldn't use another good water heater but so far that's what an e-cat is.

You seem rather certain of what this thing that you have not seen is not. :) Or is, for that matter.

To my mind, there is a vast need for heating water and air, for building heating, for industrial heating, for pre-heating of water for boilers and the like. So, if this thing that we know little of is really "just a water heater", that is no small thing.

34 posted on 01/15/2012 9:39:18 AM PST by citizen (Conservatives, we must choose: Do you want to beat Romney more than Obama? IMHO, we can't do both.)
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To: citizen
Of water heaters there is no shortage. E-cats are now going to run heat pumps according to Master Rossi and provide both heating and cooling. Right.

That's if those millions of units that will be manufactured either in one place of another are ever seen by anyone.

So at this point calling it even a water heater is being generous.

35 posted on 01/15/2012 10:03:46 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: theBuckwheat
We will know one way or the other in a very short time.

We know already. It's an utter fraud.

The thing is, these types of investment scams are always based on a promise that a big revelation is right around the corner. A series of setbacks, intrigue, and technical hurdles that are just about to finished keep it that way, forever.

People were saying last Summer that we'll soon know one way or the other. Some people will be saying that right up until Rossi cashes out without ever delivering a working product. And that much is certain: He will never deliver a working ecat.
36 posted on 01/15/2012 7:39:43 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: Johnny B.
That is my reply to your silly rant. As long as you continue to post it, I'll continue to reply to it.

I think Kevmo has given up on Rossi (check out this post). The only reason I think he still posts his "silly rant" is to make it look like he had a legitimate reason to promote Rossi. Otherwise, it looks like Kevmo spent a huge amount of effort promoting criminal activity.

37 posted on 01/16/2012 8:41:41 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

That’s cool, I just have nightmares of a honorable retired elderly marine handing over his life savings to a man like Rossi.

It just makes me physically ill. The thought of it on Freerepublic makes me want to run up and down my street yelling at anyone who will listen.

I apologize to everyone about my rants, but I just love these guys like my own father, I would gladly surrender my life for them.

I served myself, but I have no doubt that my sacrifices are small and insignificant compared to others.


38 posted on 01/16/2012 10:29:44 PM PST by dila813
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