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Romney gets a faith question in SC
Politico ^ | 1/13/12 7:24 PM EST | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 01/14/2012 8:04:36 AM PST by Allon

Mitt Romney, one of two Mormon candidates in the Republican presidential field, was pressed about his faith by a woman who attended his veteran's event here.

He was asked to expand on his faith by a woman who asked him: "Do you believe in the divine saving grace of Jesus Christ?"

"Yes, I do," Romney responded. "I would hope that there are people in our nation that have different beliefs. There are people of the Jewish faith and the Islamic faith and other faiths who believe other things, and our president will be president of the people of all faiths," he said.

"We welcome people of other faiths. I happen to believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and my savior, but I know other people have differing views and I respect those views, and I don't believe those qualify or disqualify people for leadership in our nation," he said.

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The Boston Globe is reporting on this too, and is saying that the audience cheered.

http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2012/01/mitt-romney-event-defense-turns-religion-job-cuts/BxBEnjylu0YDdFxEuqvAPL/index.html

Perhaps it's time to really dig in and campaign on his more liberal issues and not just rely on the perceived Mormon factor.

1 posted on 01/14/2012 8:04:48 AM PST by Allon
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To: Allon
If want to give your man a pass on his ISM, perhaps you could/would/should explain how MormonISM rectifies the following teaching with what Milt the liar tried to pass off as his 'christian' credentials? ...

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

2 posted on 01/14/2012 8:10:08 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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The LA TImes also has the story now:

Mitt Romney talks religion in South Carolina
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-talks-religion-in-south-carolina-20120114,0,4666651.story

3 posted on 01/14/2012 8:10:42 AM PST by Allon (Since 1980, no Republican has won his party's nomination without winning in South Carolina.)
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To: Allon

Interestingly, Romney’s response never mentioned his Mormonism.

Anyway, I don’t think it’s worth going after personally. But you can count on the Left to make a stink out of it. I’ve already had discussions with both liberals and conservatives who claim they find Mormonism creepy and alarming, and that a Mormon president should be avoided at all costs.


4 posted on 01/14/2012 8:12:13 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Allon

And just a side note: N00b, MIlt Rominy (it rhymes with hominy, the huskless corn product) is a rino, a liar, and his feignt trying to pretend he’s just like any other Christian, is not well received at FR.


5 posted on 01/14/2012 8:12:37 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Allon

Romney’s a jackass, no matter what religion he is. He’s a MSM puppet master with $$. The anointment has been made in their minds. Let’s see how it plays out.

(Newt or Santorum for me)


6 posted on 01/14/2012 8:13:24 AM PST by RacerX1128 (Cornered in CA)
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To: Allon

Answeered like a politicians. Honestly, who talks like that in real life when they talk about their personal beliefs.
Otherwise,did anyone notice how he excluded Wiccans,Satanist,Rastafarians and Shintoist by mentioning Muslims and Jews? Why do they never get a shout out? Lets all be lectured on inclusiveness by the next would-be King-a-ling.


7 posted on 01/14/2012 8:13:41 AM PST by Leep
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To: MHGinTN

FIrst, he’s not my man, my man was canned by the media. Second, I’m pointing out that the religion factor seems less formidable in SC where I, and I’m guessing you, thought it would be impossible for him to overcome.

Time to step it up in other areas.


8 posted on 01/14/2012 8:13:41 AM PST by Allon (Since 1980, no Republican has won his party's nomination without winning in South Carolina.)
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To: Allon

Mormonism = created Jesus, not eternally God, who later became a polygamist, performed works and became one of the 4 Mormon Earth Gods:

1. Heavenly Father - started life as a created being and later became a God
2. Mormon Jesus Christ - started life as a created being who later became God - death isn’t sufficient to save unless you add your own worthiness to it.
3. Mormon Holy Ghost - started life as a created being, but did something wrong and was punished by not receiving a physical body - but somehow qualified to become a God.
4. Heavenly Mother - started life as a created being, later became a goddess. Breeds with Heavenly Father to create all spirit children, who get bodies when they come to earth.

5. Mormonism teaches there are an infinite number of other gods, with more being created all the time - including the belief that mormons can become gods.

Mitt lied by omission, shading the truth, presenting the part that sounds the most Christian.
Mormonism isn’t Christianity and doesn’t believe what Christianity teaches.


9 posted on 01/14/2012 8:16:26 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: MHGinTN
"It is true that the blood of the Son of God was shed for sins through the fall and those committed by men, yet men can commit sins which it can never remit.... There are sins that can be atoned for by an offering upon an altar, as in ancient days; and there are sins that the blood of a lamb, or a calf, or of turtle dove, cannot remit, but they must be atoned for by the blood of the man." (Sermon by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pages 53-54); also published in the Mormon Church's Deseret News, 1856, page 235)

On another occasion Brigham Young made this chilling statement regarding a person's obligation to spill the blood of those who committed serious sins:

"Now take a person in this congregation who has knowledge with regard to being saved... and suppose that he is overtaken in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the shedding his blood, and also knows that by having his blood shed he will atone for that sin and be saved and exalted with the Gods, is there a man or woman in this house but what would say, 'shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?'

"All mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an individual, and he would be glad to have his blood shed. That would be loving themselves, even unto an eternal exaltation. Will you love your brothers and sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of their blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ meant....

10 posted on 01/14/2012 8:17:13 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Allon
ROBAMA, ROBAMANY
11 posted on 01/14/2012 8:17:21 AM PST by FrankR (What you resist...PERSISTS!)
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To: Allon

Some of these people here would rather die than ever admit that they might be wrong about anything. Don’t worry about it.


12 posted on 01/14/2012 8:19:07 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'm not cut out to suffer fools like this.)
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To: Allon

Mormons have their own version of Taqqiya.


13 posted on 01/14/2012 8:21:47 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

What exactly are people around here wrong about...


14 posted on 01/14/2012 8:24:54 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: dfwgator

What Christian ever mentions Islam when explaining their faith? Gratuitous pander. They ( like homosexuals) are 1 to 1.5 % of the american population. What the heck is wrong with Mitt? (Way too much to answer but his answer here just throws up another red flag)


15 posted on 01/14/2012 8:29:26 AM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: MHGinTN
Mormon's today like to conflate language, but at the end of the day, the distinct difference in Christianity and Mormonism is in the Nicene Creed:

(We believe)....And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made....

However, my problems with Romney is he is a moderate to liberal guy. His economics is big business/government centered, not on free markets/consumers. He disguises his liberalism and economics with punch words and key talking points. The guy was so unpopular in Mass. he did not run for a second term, yet is slick enough to convince the establishment he can make an impact with NE moderates. He has convinced everyone he is the "market" guy because he was in the business world, yet he supports ethanol subsidies, deflating the US dollar, keeping the US tax code with a 59 page modification and has offer no substantial plan to ease the massive US regulation

16 posted on 01/14/2012 8:33:19 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: dfwgator
"Mormons have their own version of Taqqiya."

__________________________________________

They call it "Lying for the lord"
17 posted on 01/14/2012 8:36:26 AM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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18 posted on 01/14/2012 8:42:30 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: 1malumprohibitum
You have hit on the nerve of this matter: ISLAM

Obama said this is not a Christian nation. The media is doing everything they can to intregrate the Muslims into the Norm, can't call them terrorists any longer, we are being slowly immunized to accepting any type of religion.

Look around, watch how the media is attacks TeBOW for his True faith, all the while they go gaga over Atheists, Mormons,Islam, etc.etc.etc, any false faith there is.

If Romney the mormon god is elected, we are only one step away from electing a radical Muslim, THINK ABOUT IT. There is not much difference in the two faiths.

(and if you don't know about what Mormons believe, you BEST check it out). There is PLENTY in GOOGLE to read, and there will be a few coming along shortly to enlighten all.

We are entering the age of Christian,Mormon,Islam merged into "Chrismorislam" the NEW RELIGION OF AMERICA. Can't we all just get along?/s

19 posted on 01/14/2012 8:59:04 AM PST by annieokie
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To: MHGinTN

Well, now that Rush has sold out to the dark side, and he has been p...y whipped, and Hannity has always been a celebrity seeking yahoo, we are on our own to fight the battle against Romney


20 posted on 01/14/2012 9:02:09 AM PST by Jukeman (Rush Limbaugh has been hen pecked.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
"Some of these people here would rather die than ever admit that they might be wrong about anything. Don’t worry about it."

Thanks, I appreciate that. I'm not worried about it, I can see there is a lot of single track motivations here. But given the audience reaction to that question in SC, it seems to me we'd be better served not pitting this into such a religious divide.

I don't know what the dynamics of that event were, if it was just packed with Mormons (which I doubt), or a more even slice of SC voters. I just think conservatives need to be careful which basket they place all their eggs into.

21 posted on 01/14/2012 9:08:07 AM PST by Allon (Since 1980, no Republican has won his party's nomination without winning in South Carolina.)
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To: reaganaut; Elsie

check it out.


22 posted on 01/14/2012 9:08:30 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Jukeman

Rush sold out last election too. Then he got a BIG raise. Took me a while to listen to him after that. Now, there he goes again. Guess that’s capitalism. Wonder if he get’s another raise.


23 posted on 01/14/2012 9:23:53 AM PST by make no mistake
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To: make no mistake

Rush has ALWAYS said that it’s not his job to win elections, but to do the best radio show he can.....and having Obama and Clinton as foils certainly helps....Rush’s ratings were down when Bush was President.


24 posted on 01/14/2012 9:25:49 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I can't get past this: Islam, founded by a man who said he was visited by an Angel(Gabriel) and established a religion based on that visit and wrote a book(The Koran). Mormanism founded by a man who said he was visited by God the Father himself and the Son Jesus Christ and established an religion based on that visit and wrote a book(The Book of Mormon).

Forgive me, but I will stay with the religion founded by the Son of God himself and follow the book written by his disciples.

25 posted on 01/14/2012 9:26:00 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: Allon

Too bad this woman let Willard the Liar get by with his total BS answer on Mormanism.

If she had known anything about Mormanism she would have
immediately asked Romney about all the strange teachings of the faith and asked him why the Bible is not good enough for Mormans. Why do they have the Book of Morman? She would have also asked him why Mormans do not believe in the Holy Trinity. She would have also asked him why he stayed in the most racist faith in the United States his entire life and indeed was a high member of that racist church for the majority of his life.

This woman was a plant, working for the Romney campaign. No one would have let him lie through his teeth and answer the question like he’s a good ole boy born again evangelical that stays at church all day on Sunday. The fake and fraud hypocritical liar makes me sick to my stomach.


26 posted on 01/14/2012 9:41:07 AM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: Allon; greyfoxx39

He lied. Mormons believe in salvation by works, not grace. However they redefine ‘grace’, ‘salvation’ and even heaven so unsuspecting Christians give them a pass.

If pressed, he would have backed himself into a corner.


27 posted on 01/14/2012 10:20:04 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I’m the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: Allon

I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if the lady asking the question was a Romneybot and the question was asked in a very pro-Romney audience.


28 posted on 01/14/2012 10:23:20 AM PST by proudpapa
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To: annieokie

thanks for the ping.


29 posted on 01/14/2012 10:26:10 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I’m the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: proudpapa
I believe you are right. Get this out in the open now, let him answer some soft questions, and move on. Giving him a Pass.

Later when this subject comes up and it will, he and the willing media will get to say "he has answered the questions", NEXT.

As Reaganaut said:Romney was not pressed on the subject, and I doubt if any but card carrying Mormons are allowed in his rallies.

30 posted on 01/14/2012 10:42:18 AM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

How many Mormons are there in South Carolina? I don’t think there’s evidence of bussing them in. Again, we need to be careful in defining what is going on.


31 posted on 01/14/2012 11:24:37 AM PST by Allon (Since 1980, no Republican has won his party's nomination without winning in South Carolina.)
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To: Allon
How many mormons in S.C.?? Who knows.

And there is nothing to say those rallies are not packed with card carrying mormons only, who can travel just the same as the paul nuts.

I wish Reaganaut could get into one of those rallies and pose a solid question to him. He would be peeing in his pants.

32 posted on 01/14/2012 11:32:17 AM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

I can’t believe the rallies are just Mormons. There are way too many of them, with multiple daily stops all over multiple states, leapfrogging back and forth with the early primary states.


33 posted on 01/14/2012 11:35:05 AM PST by Allon (Since 1980, no Republican has won his party's nomination without winning in South Carolina.)
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To: Allon

34 posted on 01/14/2012 11:38:30 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: NKP_Vet
If she had known anything about Mormanism she would have immediately asked Romney about all the strange teachings of the faith and asked him why the Bible is not good enough for Mormans. Why do they have the Book of Morman? She would have also asked him why Mormans do not believe in the Holy Trinity. She would have also asked him why he stayed in the most racist faith in the United States his entire life and indeed was a high member of that racist church for the majority of his life.

If, God forbid, this fraud succeeds in becomind the Republican nominee, you'll see plenty of questions like you post from the Obama plants that will show up at Romney campaign events. Just wait.

35 posted on 01/14/2012 11:43:30 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: Allon
Can't believe they are just Mormons? But it can't be proved now can it?

Mormons are EVERYWHERE, legions of them.

Looky here:

www.lds.org./church/temples/colombia-south carolina

36 posted on 01/14/2012 11:58:22 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Utmost Certainty
Interestingly, Romney’s response never mentioned his Mormonism.

He got the memo...

Office of First President & Living Prophet

November 1st, 2011

The message for this month is -

...to stay on our mantra: We ARE Christians!!

We've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!
 
We MUST keep the media constantly informed of those things the world considers christian.

We must NOT allow our MORMONness to show thru, as it has gotten a really bad rap thru history - lord only knows why...
 
 
Tommy

37 posted on 01/14/2012 6:37:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Mormonism = created Jesus, not eternally God, who later became a polygamist, performed works and became one of the 4 Mormon Earth Gods:

(click)
Praise to the Man!
 
 
 
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


38 posted on 01/14/2012 6:39:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Allon
"Yes, I do," Romney responded. "I would hope that there are people in our nation that have different beliefs. There are people of the Jewish faith and the Islamic faith and other faiths who believe other things, and our president will be president of the people of all faiths," he said.

Like all of our resident FR MORMONs; Mitt conveniently leaves stuff out:

 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224


39 posted on 01/14/2012 6:41:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SkyDancer
On another occasion Brigham Young made this chilling statement regarding a person's obligation to spill the blood of those who committed serious sins:

Mr. Young is on RECORD for saying a LOT of things!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)


How do SLC mormons SLEEP at night; KNOWING what their Second Living Prophet® has said?

40 posted on 01/14/2012 6:43:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 11th Commandment
Mormon's today like to conflate language, but at the end of the day, the distinct difference in Christianity and Mormonism is in the Nicene Creed:

Oh??

You seem to have left out ALL of MORMONism's heresies and quirks with this statement.

On purpose?

41 posted on 01/14/2012 6:46:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie
There is PLENTY in GOOGLE to read, and there will be a few coming along shortly to enlighten all.

It appears we have us a Prophetess in our midst!!

42 posted on 01/14/2012 6:48:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: mc5cents
I can't get past this: Islam, founded by a man who said he was visited by an Angel(Gabriel) and established a religion based on that visit and wrote a book(The Koran). Mormanism founded by a man who said he was visited by God the Father himself and the Son Jesus Christ and established an religion based on that visit and wrote a book(The Book of Mormon).

 

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




43 posted on 01/14/2012 6:49:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: proudpapa
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if the lady asking the question was a Romneybot and the question was asked in a very pro-Romney audience.

My suspicion as well...

44 posted on 01/14/2012 6:51:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie

“My name is Legion, for we are many.”


45 posted on 01/14/2012 6:53:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie

Your link doesn’t work.

But if you think the rallies are being peopled with just Mormons, I can tell you that we didn’t land on the moon, and that Bush brought down the twin towers.

Oh, and Elvis is alive and living in in the Bermuda Triangle.


46 posted on 01/14/2012 7:00:52 PM PST by Allon (Since 1980, no Republican has won his party's nomination without winning in South Carolina.)
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To: Elsie

DUDE?


47 posted on 01/14/2012 7:07:27 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Elsie

They don’t know what their so-called prophets say. They just believe what their local bishops say. If they only knew.


48 posted on 01/14/2012 7:10:25 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Allon
Link didn't work for me either, sorry.

But I'll bet a smart fella like you can zip on over to Google and find the Big ole' beautiful temple right there in Columbia, S.C.

Elvis lives in the Bermuda Triangle, really? Must be a dead dunked mormon now. Give him my regards, will ya?

49 posted on 01/14/2012 7:10:37 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

The Miltbots are learning how to survive as stealth Romney supporters/promoters at FR without being zotted.


50 posted on 01/14/2012 7:13:59 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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