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Amish men jailed over reflective triangle dispute
http://www.telegraph.co.uk ^ | January 15 2012 | unknown

Posted on 01/14/2012 8:15:50 PM PST by Beowulf9

A group of Amish men in western Kentucky have been jailed after refusing to put reflective triangles on the back of their horse-drawn carts.

Jacob Gingerich was one of eight men sent to prison for a few days in September after ignoring state law that requires all slow-moving objects on the road to display reflective triangles.

The group of Swartzentruber Amish men in rural Graves County, USA, refused to pay their fines and disobeyed orders from a judge, landing them in jail.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amish; arrested; jailed; men

1 posted on 01/14/2012 8:16:00 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

And in California Illegal aliens get to keep their cars if they are caught driving without a license


2 posted on 01/14/2012 8:17:48 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Beowulf9
K. On a normal roadside call where the person goes to jail, the cop calls for a wrecker to remove the car.

WTH does Joe the wrecker driver do when he shows up and there is two horses and a surrey with a fringe on top?

/johnny

3 posted on 01/14/2012 8:20:47 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Beowulf9

This is beyond being stupid. The triangle is to let drivers see them, so they don’t run up on them especially in the dark.

It is being done for safety, and protection of their horses.

And, before anyone starts about “religious freedom” this has nothing to do with that. I’ve seen what a car can do to a horse, and it’s ugly, very ugly, and God’s noble creature doesn’t deserve to die like that.


4 posted on 01/14/2012 8:23:50 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: al baby
Corzine is still living a life of leisure. Holder also.
5 posted on 01/14/2012 8:27:46 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Beowulf9

Seems like a compromise could be found here...like instead of orange, use those silver/grey reflectors....or is the “state” demanding they be ORANGE??? (I heard the Amish don’t do “flamboyant, bright”...)


6 posted on 01/14/2012 8:28:03 PM PST by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Shadowstrike

“I’ve seen what a car can do to a horse, and it’s ugly, very ugly...”

I’ve seen what happens to people who accidently kill someone in an auto accident and that’s not very pretty either. If these guys won’t do it for themselves then they could at least do it for the sake of others.


7 posted on 01/14/2012 8:28:06 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Shadowstrike

You ought to see what a semi-truck can do to a horse. Many years ago on a trip to NC with my older brother we witnessed just such a thing. It still haunts me. How the horse got loose I don’t know. It was night on a dark road. Bend in the road, the poor driver wasn’t going that fast, just couldn’t stop in time. Sounded like a bomb went off. God, what a mess.


8 posted on 01/14/2012 8:28:23 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Shadowstrike

I quite agree with everything you’ve said.


9 posted on 01/14/2012 8:28:32 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: al baby

And they SHOULD! They put MUCHO dinero into those Chevveees!/s;)


10 posted on 01/14/2012 8:29:32 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Beowulf9

The Swartzentruber sect are basically the “Shiite Amish”—ultraseparatist, ultraconservative, living as though it were 1659 AD.

They have run afoul of the law in many states, sometimes over transportation issues, sometimes over sewerage and sanitation issues.


11 posted on 01/14/2012 8:29:56 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: Beowulf9
Dude don't look Amish to me...

... he's white!

12 posted on 01/14/2012 8:30:03 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Shadowstrike
The bumpers and door reinforcements don't work so well in Amish buggys...

A quick Google search will show pics of the poor dead horses in such crashes. And the buggy occupants fared about as well, I'm sure.

I've spent years driving in Amish country in PA and OH -- simple safety reflectors and lights are not a lot to ask.

13 posted on 01/14/2012 8:30:54 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Beowulf9

Gingerich, eh? Any relation to Newt?;)


14 posted on 01/14/2012 8:31:12 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Do they use any kind of lighting back there at all, candle lanterns or anything on the rear?


15 posted on 01/14/2012 8:34:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: jmacusa

Im sure the semi showed a little damage as well


16 posted on 01/14/2012 8:35:21 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Revolting cat!

They’ve got some kind of Oompa Loompa hairdo thing going.
It’s a good look guys. Now put the damned reflectors on.


17 posted on 01/14/2012 8:35:50 PM PST by tumblindice (ABR)
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To: JRandomFreeper

>>WTH does Joe the wrecker driver do when he shows up and there is two horses and a surrey with a fringe on top?<<

Insert “rectum? damn near killed ‘im” joke here ;)


18 posted on 01/14/2012 8:36:41 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: tumblindice

Psychedelic rock group 1967!


19 posted on 01/14/2012 8:37:32 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: lightman
The Swartzentruber sect are basically the “Shiite Amish”—ultraseparatist, ultraconservative, living as though it were 1659 AD. They have run afoul of the law in many states, sometimes over transportation issues, sometimes over sewerage and sanitation issues.

Then they should stay off modern paved roads.

20 posted on 01/14/2012 8:38:51 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Beowulf9

Darn Amish! I don’t trust anyone that just wants to be left alone.


21 posted on 01/14/2012 8:52:57 PM PST by Cyman
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I've spent years driving in Amish country in PA and OH -- simple safety reflectors and lights are not a lot to ask.

I live on the edge of Amish country, and yes, wrecks like these are all to common.

Sunday afternoons are particularly deadly because you have more Amish on the roads either returning from church or courting plus an influx of motorists from places unaccustomed to needing to beware of buggies.

22 posted on 01/14/2012 8:58:32 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
WTH does Joe the wrecker driver do when he shows up and there is two horses and a surrey with a fringe on top?

Law Enforcement Officer shoots horse, wrecker driver removes buggy.

23 posted on 01/14/2012 9:05:28 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: al baby

Not too much, it was a long nose Peterbilt. I think there was a broken head light. The driver was really shaken up. So we me and my brother. We were on our way to his girlfriends place way south in NC. For a sixteen year old kid like me from Jersey it was horrible. The blood and the gore and the smell, ug. I got sick. The driver got on his cb radio, troopers came and all. Never did find out who owned the horse. It was just awful.


24 posted on 01/14/2012 9:14:35 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Beowulf9
I hired a Swartzentruber family to butcher some chickens for me. When my brother dropped them off the guy demanded to know if I was having my period. Uncomfortable! All my brother could think to say was that I was pregnant, which happened to be the truth. The guy said that pregnant was fine but if I was on my period all the chickens would rot after processing. Very weird sect of Amish. I'm told that they also believe that they can talk to their livestock new year's eve. It's a joke with the other sects of Amish boys to hide in the Swartzentrubers’ Amish lofts and “talk” for the livestock when the believers come out to the barn.
25 posted on 01/14/2012 9:46:56 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: jmacusa

A newer testament which changed these rules was brought before them but it had a flashy cover and got thrown out with the other unholy books. It cold have saved them all a bunch of time and horses.


26 posted on 01/14/2012 9:55:00 PM PST by FishinTX
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To: goodwithagun

My dad grew up during the 30’s in NC. He told me that his mother wouldn’t let his sister or step-sister make the biscuits/bread if they were on their periods. I think my maternal grandmother from England had a lot of strange ideas/superstitions too.


27 posted on 01/14/2012 10:43:45 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: ansel12
Do they use any kind of lighting back there at all, candle lanterns or anything on the rear?

I was wondering the same. I was stationed in Italy 32 years ago and the farmers would hang a lantern from the back axle area when plodding at night. Even the lantern didn't give a good alert if you were on the Autostrade and there were other cars/lights to divert you.

28 posted on 01/15/2012 3:18:24 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Beowulf9
state law that requires all slow-moving objects on the road to display reflective triangles
Are they required on the backs of cars driven by seniors?
29 posted on 01/15/2012 3:52:28 AM PST by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: Moonman62

“They should stay off of modern paved roads”.

I agree, Moonman62! You can’t have it “both ways”. You can’t refuse to use the reflective orange triangle because it is “modern” and sinful and then insist you can use public roads. A person can have all the religious beliefs they want but those beliefs STOP when it endangers me or my family. Granted, a car can do better than the buggy/occupants/horse BUT there is still a risk to the driver of the automobile (depending on size/speed/etc). This sect of Amish can choose to walk or hire someone to transport them. Or, they can stay at home. IMHO.


30 posted on 01/15/2012 5:20:21 AM PST by momtothree
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To: momtothree
Amish men jailed over reflective triangle dispute

Do bicyclists or other relatively low visibility vehicles such as motorcycles have to display reflective triangles?
31 posted on 01/15/2012 5:25:24 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Motorcycles have headlights and tail lights. I don’t know the law(s) concerning bicycles but something makes me think that if a bicycle is driven at night... there has to be a reflective triangle or other means to illuminate. I know some of the bicycles in our area has a flashing/blinking light attached to the back.

I personally believe you can have whatever religious views you want. However, when one’s views conflict with my safety... that is when it becomes improper. An Amish buggy driven at dusk/night/rainy dark weather/snowy weather... is not visible. I would have to think that a smaller car (like a Honda, Toyota etc) wouldn’t fare well in a collision with a buggy. Neither would its occupants. Just my thoughts.


32 posted on 01/15/2012 5:35:00 AM PST by momtothree
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To: aruanan
Do bicyclists or other relatively low visibility vehicles such as motorcycles have to display reflective triangles?

Motorcycles have headlights and tail and brake lights and travel at the same speeds cars to. Bicycles aren’t typically ridden on dark country roads at night and most bikes have reflectors. Bicycles are also smaller and can usually stay closer to the side of the road unlike buggies.

33 posted on 01/15/2012 5:35:20 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: Beowulf9

So, they refused an orange triangle, instead getting arrested and having their photos taken. I just find that amusing. Not only that, most of these articles about them and the orange triangles include more pictures.


34 posted on 01/15/2012 5:50:45 AM PST by tioga ( Choose an author as you choose a friend. Sir Christopher Wren)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Bicycles here are required to have a light on the front and a taillight on the back, just like cars. I have noticed some wearing yellow reflective vests at night. Good idea.


35 posted on 01/15/2012 5:52:19 AM PST by tioga ( Choose an author as you choose a friend. Sir Christopher Wren)
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To: trebb; ansel12

The Amish that I’m familiar with, around Smicksburg, PA, use reflective triangles and at night, lanterns.


36 posted on 01/15/2012 6:03:30 AM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: Shadowstrike

The Amish don’t like the reflective triangle because it is bright and glittery and is not accepted by their religion.

However, in an article I read, they would normally approve of a strip of reflective grey tape affixed to the carriage.

Problem solved.


37 posted on 01/15/2012 6:38:06 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: aruanan
The orange triangle is for farm vehicles: tractors, combines, hay wagons, and in this case buggies.

Vehicles displaying the orange triangle are required to pull off the road when more than four vehicles are waiting behind them.

It is an “orange triangle” to send a message, just like a red octagon says stop, the orange triangle says slow moving farm vehicle that will pull over and let you by... so be patient.

38 posted on 01/15/2012 7:46:14 AM PST by lack-of-trust
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To: Beowulf9

I sometimes visit the Amish community in Ethridge, TN that is part of this sect. They are very serious about bright, shiny objects. A friend had brought a milk jug to replace the jug she would get for her raw milk, and they wouldn’t take it. Instead they transferred the milk to her jug. The problem was her jug had a gold colored metal lid.


39 posted on 01/15/2012 8:20:52 AM PST by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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