Skip to comments.Perry talks tax, energy (military)
Posted on 01/15/2012 4:31:24 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
Republican presidential candidate Gov. Rick Perry of Texas continued to fight for votes Saturday, squeezing in a quick morning talk in Mount Pleasant before a Fox News forum.
Perry, who is polling in fifth place, stopped by Pages Okra Grill on Coleman Boulevard, emphasizing that hes the only candidate in the race who doesnt have a Wall Street or Washington, D.C., mentality.
If elected, Perry said, he would support a 20 percent flat tax for all corporations and individuals. Corporate lobbyists will hate that, but tough, said Perry. Im tired of Main Street paying for all of these corporate folks who find corporate (tax) loopholes.
He also underscored the need to tap all energy resources in the U.S. and hammered President Barack Obamas incentives for green energy. I dont have a problem with green energy, but let the market decide. Dont force it from Washington, D.C.
Perry also talked about veterans issues, even suggesting that veterans who are 100 percent disabled should not be required to pay income taxes.
Perry told the crowd: If you have my back next week, Ill have your back for the next four years.
Rick Perry Signs Law Exempting Disabled Veterans from Property Taxes -- and more (nice picture too.
You cant tell me that America is not exceptional. You can't tell me that because I've seen it
"Rick Perry has always remained faithful." -- First Lieutenant Daniel P. Moran
[6:45] Medal recipients tell of their sacrifice and the sacrifice of their fellow heroes -- and why they support Rick Perry.
"Todays court decision to stay the implementation of the CSAPR is a preliminary step in the right direction to end the job-killing mandates passed down by the Obama Administration and the unelected bureaucrats at the EPA. The court was right to stay this highly flawed, job-killing rule that was based on inaccurate and incomplete information. Texas will now have a chance to discuss the devastating impact that this rule will have on our state's economy and electric reliability an opportunity that we were not given by the Obama Administrations out of control EPA when they adopted the rule."
"Another new measure made tightening air quality permits on the oil and gas industry more difficult. That law, which Perry signed in June, requires the Texas environmental agency to analyze the effect of new regulation on the economy - including how it might hurt a company - before implementation. The economic impact could override the environmental benefit of the new regulation. The new law reflects Perry's contention that global warming is a questionable theory and that regulation always creates an adverse business climate." Perry Slashed Environmental Enforcement in Texas
I never get tired of seeing this graphic. Headed to SC on Tuesday! Cannot wait!
I could post information all day that shows Rick Perry’s fight against the Feds and his own party’s spending, his stand with our allies and military; his fight against Big Education; his strong record on Life and Marriage, tax cuts, regulation cuts, tort reform, border enforcement, bringing business to Texas; how in the last election Texas brought home a GOP super majority; that Perry broke records fund raising for the RGA, how people trust him, etc., etc.
Not a big fan of Perry, but after reading up on his trip to China back in 2010 and his convincing the Chinese to invest between $1 billion and $2 billion in South Texas shale oilfields, he can help directly create jobs. I really thought he was bragging during a speech I watched when he talked about going to China and convincing them to invest in energy resources in Texas, but he pulled it off. Lot of jobs going to China, but he’s not only helping create jobs, but he’s bringing Chinese money back to America.
Perry Wins IPad and IPhone Vote (We CAN take on China and win!) .While the rest of the country has been suffering from Obama-itis (too much government regulations and power hungry unionism), Texas has been trying to make itself attractive to business (by limiting regulations, empowering free work rules, limiting frivolous lawsuits, educating ALL its people, limiting taxes) Which brings me back to the IPad and IPhone. As many of you know (well, at least the tech-knowledgeable among us), the brains of the IPAD and IPhone is the A5 chip. These chips are now made in Texas in a new $3.6 Billion facility. How big is this new facility? Well, to put it in terms any Texan would understand: Nine football fields. This is a major facility:
The A5 chip inside Apples iPad 2 and iPhone 4S is now being produced stateside (In Texas), according to Reuters. Sources familiar with Apples production details told the news organization that Samsung Electronics is now handling production of the A5 in Austin, Texas. Among manufactured products, the states leading export category is chemical manufactures, which accounted for $38.4 billion (20 percent) of Texas total merchandise exports in 2008. Other top 2008 manufactured exports were computers and electronic products ($35.2 billion), machinery manufactures ($27.3 billion), and petroleum and coal products ($25.3 billion).
I hope FOX puts out a transcript of this forum.
I am a Constitutionalist and I do not support a national sales tax under any circumstances.
The liberal lies and RINO BS won't mean squat once voters get the facts, and those facts would come out in the election.
[snip] Dynamic Tax Score for RickPerry.org, Inc. Proposal:
Based on the higher GDP estimates forecast by the dynamic scoring exercise, the Perry proposal will not only lead to an increase in overall economic activity and jobs, but will also lead to higher federal revenues in the long term. In fact, the analysis suggests that revenues could be as much as $406.8 billion higher than under the static model by 2020, and could be as high as 19.5 percent of GDP.
The dynamic score of the proposal suggests that lower flatter taxes could generate both more revenue than the current tax code, and significantly more economic growth over time. With increasing demands on the Federal government from growing entitlements, higher pension expenses and interest on the debt, it will be necessary to increase the size of the economy and the tax base in order to generate significantly higher revenues. Table 7 shows how the Perry proposals would do this over a seven year period. [snip] Tax Proposal Score PDF
Santorum looked awful.
I missed Romney's performance.
Newt seemed OK.
Huntsman was Huntsman.
He came across as "stern" -- patronizing-ish.
I see that Rick Perry will be on This Week on ABC, and on CNN’s State of the Union.
Do you, or does anyone, know what official times those shows air? I got the brush off when I asked on another thread.
I can translate whatever info you have to my local situation.
I agree with your assessment. Romney always strikes me as an unethical used car salesman (I WANT THE CAR FAX!!!) so I’m a biased judge of his performance.
IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.
IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.
"Are you better off today than 4-trillion dollars ago."
Then, in a "This Week" exclusive, comedian Stephen Colbert is creating a stir with his latest effort to explore a presidential run in his home state of South Carolina. And he is shining a spotlight on the shadowy super PAC organizations playing a key role in the current election battle, as they flood the airwaves with negative political ads.
Colbert comes to "This Week" to explain his campaign stunt, and whether secretive super PACs are distorting the political process.
Plus, "This Week" powerhouse roundtable with ABC's George Will and Cokie Roberts, ABC News senior political correspondent Jonathan Karl, the Wall Street Journal's Peggy Noonan, and New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman debate the class war being waged in the GOP."
It got a HUGE applause.
Yes, and he asks that at many of his campaign stops.
But I think he needs to update...believe it’s more like 5 trillion because it just gets worse every day.
Perry was terrific on Huckabee forum Sat. night (watched during Bronco’s sad game). He got tons of applause, sounded very strong and decisive and I’ll bet won over lots of voters. His best debate/forum yet — even Huckabee said so.
Santorum looked and sounded like a yuppie trying to appear grown up.
Talk about handing to the federal government yet *ANOTHER* way to tax us.
Sure, you can argue till you’re blue in the face that this is *SUPPOSED* to replace the income tax... but I’m not arguing that.
I’m arguing that once the federal government taxes you in some way, it remains a valid way to tax in the eyes of the politicians and a sizeable chunk of the electorate. And you’d add a federal sales tax into that mix.
Which means, at some future point in time, there *WILL* be a call to have both.
His closing comments seemed unprepared. Maybe it was the delivery.
Perry by far had the most to offer — just as he has as the sitting governor of the 13th largest economy in the world — long term executive of the state that sees 1300 (up from 1000) people daily moving here from other states.
While Texas has filled over a million jobs (don’t know the count lately, l.5 million?), California has lost a million jobs.
“Perry was terrific on Huckabee forum Sat. night (watched during Broncos sad game). He got tons of applause, sounded very strong and decisive and Ill bet won over lots of voters. His best debate/forum yet even Huckabee said so.’
I am so sorry I missed this! I didn’t even know about it until I saw a clip this morning on Fox.
Perry stands head and shoulders over the rest of the candidates. People should be flocking to support him.
Okay, I just complained about missing Perry’s performance on the Huckabee forum, but I checked my pings and I have video.
Thank you, CW!
Yes, I saw Huckabee in an interview today say how well Perry connected with audience.
Also, it will be replayed tonight at 8 p.m. eastern time.
Author Eric Metaxas: Gingrich, Perry Should Drop OutNow [Santorum spoke next at breakfast]......"This is the last exit before the bridge, Mr. Metaxas said in an interview later. Theyve been dividing the vote and so if they dont do this now, they will harm the country because they cant hang on to the bitter end.
Bump and prayers for a Perry victory!
Thanks for that information.
Since you are a fair tax supporter, I'll appeal to you to be fair.
I've looked at both ideas very closely. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Neither is perfect, Although a consumption tax looks better from an ideological standpoint it brings with it a number of practical problems that I have never seen anyone adequately deal with, no the least is the double taxation on savings. Similarly the flat tax has its own problems; mainly it is still a tax on incomes, and as such could be open to tinkering over decades.
The truth is I would be happy with either as an alternative to what we have now. What I DON'T want is BOTH.
And here is where I ask you to be fair; there is no way you can fairly call Governor Perry's plan "tinkering with the tax code". That is so far from the truth it does not help the argument along. But sure, no legislation can bind a future Congress - only a Constitutional Amendment can do that - so your critique of the flat tax proposal can be wielded just as easily at the "Fair Tax": A future Congress could add rules, restrictions, exclusions and so on, and could even add reinstate a tax on incomes.
Now, that's a development that neither of us want.
So, push your favorite plan, no problem, but please do so in a way that adds to the debate.
Although your reply was indeed helpful to me, this particular part of your reply wasn't, since it does not even come close to addressing the issue.
In a nutshell: Over my lifetime, I have paid tax on my earnings, and a part of those taxed earnings have been saved. And the interest I have earned, and the dividends I have been paid have also all been taxed as they were earned and plowed back into savings.
The Fair Tax would now tax me yet again as I spend these savings, which have ALREADY been taxed once and would not be taxed again except by the "Fair Tax".
THIS is the practical issue that has not been dealt with as far as i know. After all, what does any vendor collecting the Fair Tax know about where the money came from? In fact this "income source neutrality" is one of the attractive features of the Fair Tax, except that it really sn't very fair to me.i
So, care to guess what'll happen after the issue dies down and the other party eventually returns to power in Congress?
Wait, I already explained this. Here, let me reprint it, as it's pretty obvious you stopped reading after my second sentence..
Im arguing that once the federal government taxes you in some way, it remains a valid way to tax in the eyes of the politicians and a sizeable chunk of the electorate. And youd add a federal sales tax into that mix.
Which means, at some future point in time, there *WILL* be a call to have both.
Conservatives don't trust government... and that includes politicians. You should remember that. So don't hand them even more ways to get into your pocket.
It's *THAT* simple.
The Sales Tax is the superior model. We actually pay less in taxes than we do now, with a greater return in revenue for the government. It is a good solution. Cain was the real candidate who had this going, but conservatives rejected him based on propaganda from folks who wanted weaklings like Romney or their “social” conservative like Santorum or Bachmann. Despite all the propaganda that came out, the Sales Tax IS the best choice.
With that said, I still support Rick Perry. A Flat Tax is a good step in the right direction, even though it is tax simplification and not tax reform. Once things get back to normal and we have Perry as the nominee, a Herman Cain campaign (which he is working on) can really do some good in bringing the Sales Tax back into a rational debate amongst conservatives.
I am beginning to feel a certain disgust at your style of conversation. Obviously you do not proceed from a position of sincerity.
Of course I am not arguing that "we should keep an increasingly oppressive and complex tax code further encroaching on the freedoms of future generations." That's nonsense and you know it. You are engaging in sophistry to even toss a statement like that into the conversation.
And I not "perceiving" the Fair Tax as double taxation of my savings; it IS double taxation of my savings. You know that too, and you acknowledge it later in your post when you point out that the unfairness of the double taxation will decrease with the passage of time
How nice to know.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.