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Scientists Say Cut Soot, Methane to Curb Warming [If at first you don't succeed...]
ABC Noose/Ass Press ^ | January 12, 2012 | SETH BORENSTEIN

Posted on 01/15/2012 6:49:52 AM PST by upchuck

An international team of scientists says it's figured out how to slow global warming in the short run and prevent millions of deaths from dirty air: Stop focusing so much on carbon dioxide.

They say the key is to reduce emissions of two powerful and fast-acting causes of global warming — methane and soot.

Carbon dioxide is the chief greenhouse gas and the one world leaders have spent the most time talking about controlling. Scientists say carbon dioxide from fossil fuels like coal and oil is a bigger overall cause of global warming, but reducing methane and soot offers quicker fixes.

Soot also is a big health problem, so dramatically cutting it with existing technology would save between 700,000 and 4.7 million lives each year, according to the team's research published online Thursday in the journal Science. Since soot causes rainfall patterns to shift, reducing it would cut down on droughts in southern Europe and parts of Africa and ease monsoon problems in Asia, the study says.

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It all comes down to basic chemistry. There's far more carbon dioxide pollution than methane and soot pollution, but the last two are way more potent. Carbon dioxide also lasts in the atmosphere longer.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; methane; soot
An international team of scientists says it's figured out how to slow global warming in the short run and prevent millions of deaths from dirty air and get billions more in research grants.

For years they have been BSing us about C02 and we didn't buy it. So now they think they can sell soot and methane? Doubt it.

Related "terrifying discovery."

1 posted on 01/15/2012 6:49:56 AM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

Another Seth Borenstein story of make believe.


2 posted on 01/15/2012 6:53:23 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

In the words of my favorite President - “Here we go again!”


3 posted on 01/15/2012 6:56:09 AM PST by 66-442hot (It isn't smart to kill the golden goose........although now I think they are!!!)
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To: upchuck

Have no fear, the EPA is here with an interactive map to help you target the offenders in your area. (We can live with out heat, electricity, food and metals cant we?)

http://ghgdata.epa.gov/ghgp/main.do


4 posted on 01/15/2012 6:56:33 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: upchuck

Predictable as the day is long. There at least two major groups fostering the man made global warming hysteria.

The first, mostly politicians, wants to use it as justification for massive tax increases and wealth transfer.

The second, the eco-nazis, want to use it to justify forced reductions in energy use.

With all the news about the huge reserves of natural gas in the US, it is totally predictable that both groups would foster a new bogeyman, methane, which just happens to be the principal component of natural gas.


5 posted on 01/15/2012 7:00:03 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: upchuck

“Beano”: The answer to so called global warming. Beano petros in our autos and furnaces. Whoda thunk it?


6 posted on 01/15/2012 7:03:58 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Obama in the White House, is like a weasel in the chicken coop.)
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To: upchuck

OH noooooooooooooooo...they’re going after the cows again.


7 posted on 01/15/2012 7:07:21 AM PST by marty60
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To: upchuck
Probably the largest producers of atmospheric methane are swamps. So the "Save the Wetlands" crowd and the "Earth of Fire" crowd will have to fight to see who wins.
8 posted on 01/15/2012 7:08:11 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: upchuck
Soot also is a big health problem, so dramatically cutting it with existing technology would save between 700,000 and 4.7 million lives each year,

Well, they definately have a handle on it. They're down to a 4 millon/yr death spread.

9 posted on 01/15/2012 7:08:28 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: upchuck

It sure took a long time for this Global warming to hit us.

100 years ago the industrial revolution was getting in gear and coalpowered plants, electric and steel were spewing out vast amounts of soot. Cars were burning more oil and no anti-pollution on them, the skies were filled with so much soot that women could not hang out their clothes and many people were gasping for breath in the smog over cities.

I remember in the 60’s driving to work and seing a cloud hanging over the city.

Today that is gone, we have cleaned the environment about 75% I suppose, but now while we have done away with most of the smog and most of the pollution of the industrial revolution we are getting the Global warming from it.

Sure took a long time, but I gues these same scientists think we can clean it up in a month or so if we just closed down everything and stopped human life on the planet.


10 posted on 01/15/2012 7:09:06 AM PST by Venturer
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To: upchuck

So does this mean that the learned elites were wrong about CO2 all along?


11 posted on 01/15/2012 7:09:31 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: upchuck; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; grey_whiskers; ApplegateRanch; Whenifhow; WL-law; Berlin_Freeper; ..
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

12 posted on 01/15/2012 7:10:33 AM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: DugwayDuke

Its a million trillion times worse than that. Burning the methane in natural gas creates CO2!!!!!!


13 posted on 01/15/2012 7:11:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: upchuck
...can sell soot and methane?

....well, it will be an "easier" sell, IMO.

Co2 is what we breath out, and what plants "breath" in....

...."soot" is from smokey fires, and "methane" is farts....

...so we perceive Co2="good", soot/methane="bad"

...perception is everything....apparently, the "scientists" are just now figuring this out.

14 posted on 01/15/2012 7:13:17 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: upchuck
"Carbon dioxide is the chief greenhouse gas"

WRONG!

Water vapor is, by far, the chief greenhouse gas.

These people continue to make up their "facts" out of whole cloth.

15 posted on 01/15/2012 7:15:58 AM PST by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
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16 posted on 01/15/2012 7:17:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: upchuck
“Millions and million of people die every year.

Send us more more money to fight: global cooling/ozone holes/global warming/Silent Spring/CO2 emissions/DDT/etc, etc; and we will protect you.

17 posted on 01/15/2012 7:18:19 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: upchuck

All we need to do, is shut off the water and heat to Yellowstone, and any other geothermal spots on the earth, and problem solved! /S


18 posted on 01/15/2012 7:29:41 AM PST by Bushbacker1
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Fact of life... people die! Last I looked the death rate is still 100%! And we all die of something.


19 posted on 01/15/2012 7:33:46 AM PST by myrabach
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To: upchuck

A better avenue to end the controversy is to end grants. If there are no grants, there is no money to fabricate lies.

A broke progressive academic is a silent progressive academic


20 posted on 01/15/2012 7:38:37 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Bushbacker1
"shut off water and heat"

Some years ago a few rangers at Yellowstone were asked what were the most common questions they received from tourists. They said number one was "when do you let the animals out?" and number two "when do you turn on the geysers?"

21 posted on 01/15/2012 7:46:13 AM PST by driftless2
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To: marty60

YEP!


22 posted on 01/15/2012 7:50:30 AM PST by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: upchuck

Maybe soot from volcanoes would do the trick. Or, maybe NOT!

Next the latest scientific study will show that pot smoke slows global warming. However, they need more time and money to complete the study.


23 posted on 01/15/2012 8:09:41 AM PST by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Arm_Bears
So does this mean that the learned elites were wrong about CO2 all along?

Of course not. It's just that the C02=bad mantra was getting old and it's really hard to get taxpayer funded research grants with an old mantra. So, presto, new mantra: c02=forgotten, methane & soot=new menace. New mantra=more billions from the taxpayers in research grants.

24 posted on 01/15/2012 8:10:24 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: upchuck

For millions of years, “climate change” had always been a naturally occurring thing. Then, a group of humanoids figured out that there was a lot of money to be made from the dumb humanoids who never to the time to learn how nature works. Once this happened, the “scientists” turned into some of the world’s finest con men.


25 posted on 01/15/2012 8:25:06 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Climate Change" my a.... All weather is local.)
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To: Arm_Bears

“So does this mean that the learned elites were wrong about CO2 all along?”

Bingo! Don’t know about elites, but journalists like Borenstein, who have sucked-up to and parroted the Global Warming party line for years, are perhaps trying to find a way to walk backwards on the subject without admitting their stupidity.


26 posted on 01/15/2012 8:29:01 AM PST by WL-law
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To: jonrick46
Next the latest scientific study will show that pot smoke slows global warming. However, they need more time and money to complete the study.

And munchies.

27 posted on 01/15/2012 8:49:50 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: upchuck

Wouldn’t soot in the atmosphere block the sunlight and cause the earth to cool?


28 posted on 01/15/2012 9:49:58 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> - - -)
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To: upchuck

BS.

Water vapor “is the chief greenhouse gas” in the atmosphere and is far more prevalent than all other so called “greenhouse gasses”.

Just lies on top of more lies.


29 posted on 01/15/2012 9:55:25 AM PST by DB
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To: upchuck

I guess they don’t know anything about the newly discovered climatic phenomenon with potentially catastrophic results called...wait for it...wait for it...

GLOBAL DIMMING!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLfBXRPoHRc
Now we’re all gonna die fer sure, dude!

They found that less soot in the air causes the atmosphere to warm by 1 degree C in three days!


30 posted on 01/15/2012 10:21:17 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: upchuck

Why is it after Mt. Pinatubo erupted back in 1991 all that volcanic soot caused the Earth to cool a few degrees?


31 posted on 01/15/2012 10:24:05 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: upchuck
Carbon dioxide is the chief greenhouse gas and the one world leaders have spent the most time talking about controlling.

I thought water vapor was five times more "effective" as a greenhouse agent. Can't they keep the talking points consistent?

Regards,
GtG

32 posted on 01/15/2012 11:59:36 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: umgud; upchuck; SunkenCiv; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Well, they definately have a handle on it. They’re down to a 4 millon/yr death spread.


So, which is it?

Save “millions of lives”; or reduce world population by billions?

These are pretty much the same people who are for U.N. Agenda-21, to cut WORLD population to a “sustainable” 500,000,000.

Liberals are schizophrenics...and that IS a mental disorder.


33 posted on 01/15/2012 12:09:32 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Pesting! Pesting! Pesting 1, 2, 3...; PESTING!)
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To: ApplegateRanch; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks ApplegateRanch.


34 posted on 01/15/2012 3:40:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Why is it after Mt. Pinatubo erupted back in 1991 all that volcanic soot caused the Earth to cool a few degrees?

Not much soot in volcanoes. The industrial soot that warms is lower in the atmosphere and coats snow and ice. Volcanoes that cool blow their SO2 into the stratosphere where it blocks sunlight to some extent for a couple of years.

35 posted on 01/15/2012 5:35:49 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL!


37 posted on 01/16/2012 8:01:17 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Obama in the White House, is like a weasel in the chicken coop.)
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To: DugwayDuke
"With all the news about the huge reserves of natural gas in the US, it is totally predictable that both groups would foster a new bogeyman, methane, which just happens to be the principal component of natural gas."
Hammer ... nail ... head. ;-)

Have to yank a post I think - I didn't notice it was a getty image ... preserving the bump!

38 posted on 01/16/2012 8:11:07 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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