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Game Fish Bill: ‘Beginning of the End for Commercial Fishing’ (North Carolina)
Carolina Journal ^ | Jan. 12th, 2012 | Sara Burrows

Posted on 01/15/2012 7:24:06 AM PST by bksanders

… Commercial fisherman Jonathan Robinson took issue with that. “Those resources belong to the public,” he said. “They’re not just exclusively for the rich, who can afford boats and trips to the coast. Commercial fishing is a channel that provides access to these resources for all the citizens — for the blacks in the cities and the poor working people in farm towns in North Carolina.”

Commercial fisherman Chris McCaffity of Morehead City echoed his sentiment. “I recently had a disabled veteran thank me for defending his freedom to eat the fish he once caught himself,” McCaffity said.

Over the course of its next three meetings, the Marine Fisheries Committee also will be studying the impact of eliminating trawl boat fishing in North Carolina.

Foster said that would mean the end of shrimping in North Carolina, which he estimates makes up almost a quarter of the state’s commercial fishing industry. It also would eliminate much of the state’s flounder fishing. “It would wipe out all of the fishing communities on the west side of Pamilico Sound,” he said.

McCaffity is scheduled to speak at the next meeting of the Marine Fisheries Committee at 1 p.m. Feb. 2 on the third floor of the state legislative building. There was no public comment period at the first meeting.



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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: action; agenda21; economy; fishing
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OK, North Carolina, we need your support. Surely we can get 300 patriots out to the state house on Feb 2nd.
Please contact Chris McCaffity at his web site.
An excellent video, A Fisherman's Life can be viewed here.

The covert sublime and incessant erosion of freedoms continues until YOU stop it.
It's a choice not to become a "boiled frog".
They want us angry, hungry, broke and unarmed.

1 posted on 01/15/2012 7:24:10 AM PST by bksanders
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To: bksanders

The socialist tyrants are pushing on every front.


2 posted on 01/15/2012 7:28:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bksanders

Just a guess. Liberal do gooders?


3 posted on 01/15/2012 7:29:19 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Most Conservative in the Primary, the Republican Nominee in the General.)
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To: bksanders

Already gone here. when I was a young man you could cross the San Sebastian River, when the fleet was in, by jumping from boat to boat.


4 posted on 01/15/2012 7:29:59 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: bksanders

Government still killing jobs and making it illegal to buy cheap local fish and shrimp.

Plus, with Agenda 21 type of efforts trying to keep people off of the best fishing beaches in NC and VA, soon we won’t be able to catch our own.

Dammitall2hell!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 01/15/2012 7:32:26 AM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

When everybody owns something, nobody owns anything.


6 posted on 01/15/2012 7:35:13 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Sworn in as an honorary Texan.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Exactly Eric. Where was that swearing in ceremony and who “swore” atcha?!?!


7 posted on 01/15/2012 7:44:26 AM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: bksanders

I don’t think this is as simple of an issue as you think. It’s certainly NOT a pure left versus right issue at all. This is not a situation of fisherman versus environmentalists.... it’s a situation of commercial trawl fishermen versus sports fishermen. That is, it’s a somewhat conservative group against a very conservative group.

The notion that 97% of the people are begging for the right to eat those three varieties of fish is ludicrous. It’s the commercial fishermen who are “running to the left” on this issue - running to the left of the sports fishermen.

The sports fishing industry has evolved to an industry of more catch and release than anything else. The commercial fishing industry will have to evolve to a more farm based industry IMO.


8 posted on 01/15/2012 7:45:57 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
When I was a kid I'd wake up way before daylight to the sound of shrimp trawlers and snapper boats running out through the inlet. boat after boat.

St. Augustine had 2 thriving fish houses shipping seafood all over the Nation. We would have Carolina boats, Texas boats and Mississippi boats unloading here in season..

9 posted on 01/15/2012 7:49:04 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
EQ - I am uncertain from which side of the fence thou speakest :-) ???

McCaffitty is simply trying to make a living without placing himself in neeedless peril. Something these 4th and 5th generation Tar Heels do to survive.

Follows my letter to every swingin' **** in the NC House:

To All Concerned Parties, It is with urgency and respect I address the issue of Comprehensive Fishery Management. Mr. Chris McCaffity has made it abundantly clear a change of course is required, one that will both benefit all shareholders, provide the necessary safeties and apply common sense. His proposed "comprehensive fishery management plan…offer(s) as an alternative to HB-353, catch shares, and derby fisheries" deserves both open debate and presentation to both the House and Senate. Please take the time to fully digest Mr. McCaffity proposal and distribute the contents of this proposal to all those tasked with the impacts associated with fishery laws that do not follow most of the mandates in the Magnuson-Stevens Act (MSA). The Plan can be viewed by clicking this URL. The families of Alan Nelson and the others who daily risk their lives demands our collective attention and actions. I thank each of you for your time and trust you will act swiftly and in accord with the best interest of all Americans.

10 posted on 01/15/2012 7:54:35 AM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

***Bingo***! You hit the nail on the head.


11 posted on 01/15/2012 7:56:32 AM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: bksanders
McCaffitty is simply trying to make a living without placing himself in neeedless peril. Something these 4th and 5th generation Tar Heels do to survive.

Let me ask you this, and I am NOT being snarky - I am being serious: Could it be that the 5th generation of this industry needs to understand the reality of the times? Most industries do not last 4 or 5 generations without radical change. Could it be that commercial fishing old school is the buggy whip industry trying to defy the reality of change?

12 posted on 01/15/2012 8:04:40 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
CEW - Where did I leave the impression this was a "simple" issue?
Simple issues are the ones where I can call you a name / epithet and you reciprocate, getting us nowhere, gaining no ground.
The "good ol' boys in NC want to see to it that they alone can make MONEY of the "recreational fish". The fish ain't "theirs alone" to make money offin'!
Leave the damn "commercial fishermen" the hell alone. The GOP'er can take their good ol' boy out-of-state invitees on snipe hunting expeditions. They sicken me.
These are the types that pay thousands of dollars to "hunt" a deer that has been fed and fenced.
This is NOT a right/left issue until you consider the governmental extraction of ones rights. That, my friend, is a leftist paragon.
So the good ol' boys want less gubmit until gubmit intervention can help fill their pockets.

97% of "the people" beg for nothing…

"The commercial fishing industry will have to evolve to a more farm based industry…

So the gubmit can say "where" the farm is and subsidize it?
Society needs to "devolve" into a self-sufficient people…

13 posted on 01/15/2012 8:20:03 AM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
It sounds like the politicians simply looked at it from the standpoint of where they stood to get the most tax revenue.

Sport fishing probably brings more tourism, and results in more money spent per fish caught than commercial net fishing, which translates to more tax dollars collected.

They'll throw their own citizens that make their living off of commercial fishing under the bus for the promise of more tax money collected from out of state tourists.

14 posted on 01/15/2012 8:29:59 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Could it be that commercial fishing old school is the buggy whip industry trying to defy the reality of change?

There is not much of a market for buggy whips, but people want to be able to buy "ocean" caught fish to eat. - tom

15 posted on 01/15/2012 8:30:43 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I am a fisherman, albeit a snobby elitist country club SOB accoring to many of the Dhimmi Trolls who lurk here.

I wrote your good dhimmikrat U. S. senator Kay Hagan Phogbound a letter about this matter several months ago. The reply that I received seemed to say that since some catfish can walk, they are prospecvtive democrat voters and must be protected.

I think the person writing the answer mentioned that someway or the other the decision REYNOLDS vs. SIMMS and the voting rights acts put together makes it unconstitutional to discriminate against any class of potential dhimmikarats, remember a two day old catfish smells like many DIMMS that I have passed on the street.

Good luck in your foray against the loony crackpots.

I think it is exactly kook vs. commercial enterprise. Remember Nixon is the one who gave us the EPA. We can’t blame that on the DIMMS.

Remember you folks in NC have a congressional district that essentiially requires its voters to be able to see I-85. From the Burbs of Charlotte up to the Triad.

Caddis the Elder


16 posted on 01/15/2012 8:31:05 AM PST by palmerizedCaddis (We can no longer call the annointed one ZERO, now we must call him SEVENTEEN OF NONE.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Yes CEW, I suppose we could simply "farm" the industry off shore and eat our hormonally infested environmentally correct allotment and watch our blood count dive to Asian levels.
Progress for the sake of the name is insanity.
You can't buy a damn two by four these days because of the "evolution" of that industry.
My dog can die because of the "evolution" of the pet food industry.
My appliances last one day out of warranty because of the "evolution";
My house is built like $hit because of the "evolution" of… ad nauseum

Some things are better left alone.

17 posted on 01/15/2012 8:31:21 AM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The sports fishing industry has evolved to an industry of more catch and release than anything else. The commercial fishing industry will have to evolve to a more farm based industry IMO.

I bet the sports fishing industry brings in lots more money than commercial fishing.

18 posted on 01/15/2012 8:31:52 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: bksanders
I read the alternative plan at the link you posted and agree somewhat.

The stupid size limit plans should be dumped, as should throwing back all the dead fish to stay within TCL rules.

I disagree with the plan to ship all the ‘over quota’ fish to the so called ‘poor’.

A better idea would be to allow them to go to any state licensed REC fisherman to have them free, up to their daily catch limit.

That would bump up state fishing license sales many thousands a year, which goes directly back to the state fish/game dept.

It would also be great PR for the commercial fishermen which are often looked down upon by sport anglers.

What would that do for state tourism if that vacationing angler had a good chance of taking home a cooler full of fish even if they failed to catch any? That makes that nonresident license a much better deal.

The ‘poor’ can buy a state fishing license and pick up those overfish right at the docks, no extra government program needed.

19 posted on 01/15/2012 8:35:09 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: tacticalogic
Right on Tactician - It's tax revenue. Did you take the time to look at how the "geniuses" derived their numbers.
Apparently one pound of commercial fish equals 300 pounds of recreational fish.
Perhaps the commercial fishermen need to lure (pardon the pun) the "Sportsmen" onto their vessels?
Kinda like taking a cruise on a freighter.
20 posted on 01/15/2012 8:41:23 AM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: bksanders

“Catch Shares” metioned in your post are right out of Agenda 21. The PCSD recommemded “establishing an allocation system in which a limited number of fishermen may work”.

Catch Shares have devastated the New Englang fisheries to the point that a large part of the fleet is tied to the dock and the Gov. of Mass has requested $21million in economic disaster aid for the fishing industry.

NOAA Administrator Lubchenco promptly requested $54 million to expand it to all American fisheries even taking money out of slim research budgets to promote it.

The enviro’s tout it as the best thing under the sun yet it does nothing for conservation as the total allowable catch is not reduced. It does privitize the marine resources into the hands of a few “winners” that the govt. picks.

Another interesting point is that EDF published the Catch Share implementation manual and the current Head Adm. of NOAA, Jane Lubchenco is a former Vice Chair of EDF.

Wonder who is going to end up owning these allocation’s down the road? HMMMMMMM

Also, Iceland’s economy was ruined by their venture with Catch Shares to the point that the Icelandic fishermen went to the U.N. Human Rights Commission who ruled that Catch Shares are a violation of the Convention on Human Rights.

84% of seafood consumed in the US is imported now and we have a trade deficit over $10 billion. This is re-distribution of American wealth. The fisheries are for the most part extremly healthy. The last thing we need to be doing is shutting down more of our natural resource production.

See tagline below.


21 posted on 01/15/2012 8:44:28 AM PST by Captain7seas (FIRE JANE LUBCHENCO FROM NOAA)
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To: bksanders

If the problem is a lack of fish, the solution is proven and easy: MAKE MORE FISH!

This has been established with everything from mammals, birds, insects and even plants. Breed a whole bunch of them for release, and though the attrition is high, pretty soon you are up to your elbows in critters.

The technology for doing this with fish is fairly inexpensive, just needing a tug boat, pontoons, and a double or triple drop net. It’s called deep water aquaculture.

The tug takes the pontoons out to sea, far enough away from the coast to avoid polluting the “arable ocean” near the coast. Ideally in the lee of a rocky island. Then it drops its nets and put wild hatchlings of the desired type in them. The current cleans and aerates the water, and the fish are fed along with antibiotics.

When they are mature enough the nets are slowly dragged back to where wild populations of those fish live and they are released with the wild population.

The end result is that, again, attrition is high, but the newly released fish mature and mate with the wild fish, and are generally healthier and better fed, so the wild fish population is improved both in numbers and quality.

Other animals and fish eating them also improve because of a better diet.


22 posted on 01/15/2012 8:48:05 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Beagle8U
Beagle8U - Great points! Perhaps you could contact Chris as he is completely open to this type of input.
A correctly written law is the aim/goal.
You might even consider joining him on Feb 2nd. Thx!
BTW: I don't have a dog in this hunt, except the fact I refuse to sit on the sidelines and watch freedoms erode.
If that fact "bothers" some; IDGAS.
23 posted on 01/15/2012 8:53:14 AM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Hardly anyone is going to read and digest that.
It makes way too much sense.


24 posted on 01/15/2012 8:59:00 AM PST by VMI70
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To: bksanders

In Iowa City, IA
Oath given to Hayden Fry.


25 posted on 01/15/2012 9:00:13 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Sworn in as an honorary Texan.)
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To: Captain7seas
Well I'm encouraged to see "someone" Gets it!
It is indeed an Agenda 21 driven, well, agenda.
So far as the loon Lube-chens-hoe goes; I'm onboard.

Fire Lubchenco

Please consider joining McCaffitys efforts.

26 posted on 01/15/2012 9:02:00 AM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: bksanders

You did not indicate it was that simple, but some other posters did. I simply responded to you as the OP.

I do think that part of your premise is flawed - in that it is fine to “leave the commercial fishermen the hell alone” when the commercial fishermen are not acting on “their” property. Were the commercial guys using their own resources, then the conservative position would be to leave them the hell alone.

That is not the case with the fisheries. This is why it is not a clear liberal conservative issue and cannot be. The fisheries are in fact owned by the sports guys just as much as by the commercial guys and actually by all of us as much as any of us.

Commercial fishing has the potential to ruin the fishery for everybody forever, which will then ruin the value of coastal properties for everybody forever. This is a fact.


27 posted on 01/15/2012 9:02:15 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Paleo Conservative
I bet the sports fishing industry brings in lots more money than commercial fishing.

It does, and not just to government. It brings in many more dollars to many more people and there's no way that this will ever change, unless the commercial guys ruin the fishery for everyone - which they have the potential to do - then we all lose. Commercial guys make a living by removing as many fish as possible from the ocean. Sports guys make a living by having as many fish remain in the ocean as possible. Now which is really the long term business friendly and opportunity friendly solution?

28 posted on 01/15/2012 9:04:59 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: tacticalogic
It sounds like the politicians simply looked at it from the standpoint of where they stood to get the most tax revenue. Sport fishing probably brings more tourism, and results in more money spent per fish caught than commercial net fishing, which translates to more tax dollars collected.

You are half right, but because you were only half right, you came to the wrong conclusion. By your own admission, sports fishing brings in more revenue. Now why is that? BECAUSE SPORTSFISHING CREATES A MUCH BIGGER ECONOMY FOR FAR MORE PEOPLE GIVING FORE MORE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO SHARE IN THE ECONOMY THAT THE OCEAN BRINGS. And yes, the result if more tax revenue, but like Reagan tax cuts, the primary reason to do it is to create more opportunity for more people.

29 posted on 01/15/2012 9:08:37 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

A damn good man, Coach Fry!


30 posted on 01/15/2012 9:09:44 AM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
America is the only country in the world that fishes commercially.
And by golly we must be stopped.

Those idiots have the luxury of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to be stupid.
Yet they stomp on it's foundation every minute of every hour with every breath.

31 posted on 01/15/2012 9:10:18 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: bksanders

You make some good points, which is why I said, numerous times, that it is not a pure argument either way. It is also why I said IMO - meaning I was leaving room for the debate.

Your argument, however, is extremely weak in that you say the answer is to leave it alone. The fact sir is that fishing is getting worse and worse and worse every year for both the commercial and the sports guys. Left alone, we won’t have either industry for much longer and then the entire tourism and real estate industries on the coast will further collapse, and then we are all screwed.

Leaving it alone is not a viable answer. I wish it were.


32 posted on 01/15/2012 9:11:43 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Correct, nothing wrong with farming fish. If anyone wants a lesson on this look at the number and size of the fish people caught off the beach back in the fifties and a couple of miles out. Go try and catch them today.


33 posted on 01/15/2012 9:14:19 AM PST by org.whodat (What is the difference in Newt's, Perry's and Willard's positions on Amnesty.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Dentist make a living pulling teeth, let's shoot the dentists.
So commercial fishermen have tried for centuries to empty the ocean…?????
Every industry has its opportunist, exception not rule.
34 posted on 01/15/2012 9:14:38 AM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: Capt. Tom

I guess it hasn’t dawned on you that there are less and less ocean fish being caught every year then? The buggy whip industry analogy was not perfect, but it was somewhat legit.

This is a very tough problem with no clear ideological answer. In most instances, government intervention means some bureaucrat telling someone what they can do with their own property. The ocean is not anyone’s “own” property, therefore all of the property rights arguments and other clean clear conservative arguments DO NOT APPLY. They just do not.


35 posted on 01/15/2012 9:15:21 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
BECAUSE SPORTSFISHING CREATES A MUCH BIGGER ECONOMY FOR FAR MORE PEOPLE GIVING FORE MORE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO SHARE IN THE ECONOMY THAT THE OCEAN BRINGS.

It appears to be "creating more economic activity" by artifically making it less productive. It's like banning bulldozers so that you can create more jobs for people with shovels.

36 posted on 01/15/2012 9:15:29 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: bksanders
Dentist make a living pulling teeth, let's shoot the dentists.

That's the dumbest analogy attempt yet on this thread. I assume the dentist pull the teeth of only willing customers and they do it on their own property. I don't think the ocean is owned by the commercial guys.

37 posted on 01/15/2012 9:17:11 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
There are really three different groups in the argument over the fishery. Well, if you separate out the enviro-nazi’s and the government.

Sport fishermen, sport charter captains, and commercial fishermen.

I don't put the sport charters in the same category as sport fishermen because they are also selling a product, their services.

38 posted on 01/15/2012 9:22:40 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: tacticalogic
It appears to be "creating more economic activity" by artifically making it less productive. It's like banning bulldozers so that you can create more jobs for people with shovels.

Nice try, but another failed analogy. Your bulldozer shovel analogy would only work if the sports fishermen were attempting to supply food by hook and line versus the commercial guys with nets. But that is not the sports fisher economy at all. It is not food based. Again, it's a tough argument to quantify because no one owns the ocean but we all depend on it and we depend on it because our economy is dependent on it in many ways -- food being only a small part of that though. The sports fish economy is about jobs in hotels and restaurants and in real estate and in the recreation boat industry at all levels. Coastal environs with recreation as a main driver are thriving and clean and bustling and create jobs and opportunity on many more fronts than commercial fishing does. Now that's no problem until one industry threatens the viability of another.

39 posted on 01/15/2012 9:22:44 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Beagle8U

You are right, at least three different groups - and only the enviro nazi’s and the sports fishermen are easy to pin down from an ideological standpoint. That’s clearly left v right. The commercial guys, the charter guys (you are right, a hybrid) and others are all in a fuzzy ideologically impure middle ground.


40 posted on 01/15/2012 9:25:02 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Seth Green of Rochester NY "invented" the fish farms circa 1865. His intention was that everyone could enjoy fish at a reasonable price.

He shipped 10,000 shad to the sacramento river and numerous other species into the nations rivers.

His fish farm in Caledonia still exists.

Releasing fingerlings inot our natural waterways is the way to go.

41 posted on 01/15/2012 9:26:52 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: C. Edmund Wright

That argument strikes me as being not too far removed from the arguments of the New London case. The state can take your land if it will get them more revenue giving it to someone else, and they can do the same with your livlihood.


42 posted on 01/15/2012 9:32:25 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Sacajaweau

That’s an interesting point - farming the fingerlings and releasing them into the water ways. That could increase populations. Another thing that could help is an increase of structure off shore. Those created habitats can actually increase the food pyramid at all levels.

We need to increase the fish populations for the benefit of all types of fishing.


43 posted on 01/15/2012 9:35:02 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: tacticalogic
That argument strikes me as being not too far removed from the arguments of the New London case. The state can take your land if it will get them more revenue giving it to someone else, and they can do the same with your livlihood.

You are not trying very hard. Two huge gaping holes in your theory: FIRST In New London, they TOOK A GUYS PROPERTY. The ocean is NO ONE"S PROPERTY. What part of this is beyond your comprehension?

SECOND: It's not about government revenue: it's about increasing the opportunity for many more people in the private economy.

44 posted on 01/15/2012 9:37:47 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I was born in Rochester. My brother and I rode to Irondequoit Bay....sunfish, perch, bullheads....and a great big carp for grandma only took a few hours.

When the smelt ran at the Genesee outlet, my dad would be there and he sure knew how to cook them.

But the best will always be Walleye...from Canadian waters near Montreal.

It was indeed the good old days.

My hubby never ate fish until we went to Canada with my folks. Hell, he wanted them for beakfast after a while and loved every bite!!

45 posted on 01/15/2012 9:46:29 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The ocean is NO ONE"S PROPERTY. What part of this is beyond your comprehension?

The part where the ocean and the fish in it are "no one's property", yet they assume the authority to control it as if it was their property.

SECOND: It's not about government revenue: it's about increasing the opportunity for many more people in the private economy.

As long as the economy is taxed, more economic activity will result in more tax revenue. Unless you know what they were thinking when they wrote the regulations, whether it's about the economic activity or the taxes is speculation.

46 posted on 01/15/2012 9:53:19 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

And these watermen have to give up their livelihood because some penthouse “sportsman” want’s to catch and release? I think not. I am a recreational fisherman, so I don’t depend on the catch to pay my mortgage.
You also have the left and right of it backwards.


47 posted on 01/15/2012 10:07:59 AM PST by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: tacticalogic

You are obviously have a pro commercial fisherman agenda here and therefore are being too obtuse to follow logical conversation.

I do logic. I don’t do obtuse. I don’t do agenda.


48 posted on 01/15/2012 10:09:18 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: coolbreeze

Your class envy statement proves I have the left and right absolutely correct. “Penthouse sportsmen?” Really?

You don’t understand economies at all. The “penthouse” fishermen and their related activities pay a helluva lot more “mortgages” than you apparently realize, so blinded by your class envy you are.....


49 posted on 01/15/2012 10:12:04 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: bksanders

Gee what could go wrong

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/15/BAD11MJGGD.DTL

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/01/14/state/n132311S39.DTL


50 posted on 01/15/2012 10:15:27 AM PST by artichokegrower
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