Skip to comments.Could there be a Muslim president? (Would you vote for one?)
Posted on 01/15/2012 10:25:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
With the New Hampshire primaries behind the GOP and South Carolina on the horizon, Mitt Romney seems the likely presidential candidate. Perhaps surprisingly, Romneys Mormonism has yet to be a major stumbling block, and as time passes it doesnt appear that it will become a hindrance.
But lets consider another question. Could America vote for a Muslim?
Say a Muslim arrived on the scene with powerful and equitable ideas and challenged the status quo. Perhaps doubts are cast that a Muslim could actually become president, but the same was once said about Catholics and people of color.
One stumbling block to the potential Muslim candidate would be that many people think America is a Christian nation. At one time even this would have been questioned. If you had said to the predecessors to what would become the United States that America is a Puritan nation they likely would have agreed.
Simply put, there very well could come a day when a president who prays to Allah sits in the Oval Office. As Christian privilege slowly erodes due to tidal waves of globalization and pluralism, Americas hope is that religious differences will not erode but become respected. This is thanks in large part to the Constitution.
Just this week the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously upheld a lower court order striking down an Oklahoma constitutional amendment that would prevent state courts from considering Sharia law. The decision is based not on respect for Muslim tradition, but rather for the First Amendment -- the same First Amendment that protected Baptists early in the American experience.
If anyone should be the greatest allies with Muslims in America, it is Baptists. Yet time after time many Baptists lead the charge against religious differences, even at the risk of harming their own self-interest. Many Baptists have kowtowed to political power in order to protect their power and privilege, in the process sacrificing their prophetic voice.
As Roger Williams stated in The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution for Cause of Conscience, the blood of so many hundred thousand souls of Protestants and papists, spilled in the wars of present and former ages for their respective consciences, is not required nor accepted by Jesus Christ the Prince of Peace.
A truly Christian nation not only imposes no formal religion on its citizens but also fosters freedom to express ones own conscience Muslim, Mormon or whatever.
-- Zachary Bailes is an M.Div. student at Wake Forest University Divinity School. He is editor of Those Crazy Liberals
and Conservatives and a contributor for Progressive Christian Alliance .
Nope. The history of Islam in the lands where it existed prior to the founding of the US is one of conquest, tyranny, savagery, and poverty. The US, the culmination of Western Civilization, the penultimate achievement of the Enlightenment, cannot be allowed to fall victim to Muhammed’s monumental fraud.
At the present time,January 15,2012, we current have one ,a muslim, that occupies the White house. he was placed there on November 4, 2008 by a majority of those that voted.
I do not believe obama and I question the intelligence of anyone who does believe him/
I hope not. As a Catholic, I'd be in mortal danger. The name "Puritan" was derived from the desire to "purify" the Church of England of those "blasphemous" Catholics and their "demonic" influences. Anything, up to and including killing Catholics was accepted.
If you celebrate Christmas, you'd better hope not, too. Puritans severely punished those who celebrated Christmas. They suppressed it through the law, and used soldiers who went door to door taking anything that seemed too celebratory, by force, of course. http://www.timetravel-britain.com/articles/christmas/ban.shtml
Puritans regularly went door to door attacking women who wore makeup or dressing in ways they didn't like. So if a woman in your life wears makeup, you'd better thank the Good Lord that we're not a Puritan Nation. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cromwell_england.htm
And that is just for starters.
So, I'm just going to assume that the author never got around to reading a biography of Oliver Cromwell and just wrote "Puritan" because it has a nice ring to it.
Not even the Amish would last long in a Puritan America.
A Christian Nation, which is how the Founders saw us, in no way equates to a Puritan Nation. John Adams was raised in a Puritan home, and was vehemently against Freemasons as a consequence. But the type of Puritanism which originally came here was very different 100 years or so later when Adams was born.
As soon as fat dripping on open flame reaches the underside of the wood untouched by the fire.
Would you work in a place where Muslims work?
"Behrouz Nahidmobarekeh, 49, a devout muslim ,is on trial for allegedly throwing the feces on pastries at a Fiesta grocery store. Police said that during an investigation, they found a pile of human feces by his bed. Investigators believe Nahidmobarekeh would dry the feces, either by microwave or just letting it sit out, grate it up with a cheese grater and then sprinkle it at the store. A young boy, maybe 3 years old, was later seen on the surveillance tape, eating one of the defiled cookies.
There were consistent complaints about foul smelling cookies and cakes which led to investigations and apprehension of the muslim pastry Chef."
"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has discovered a "plot to poison food in U.S. hotels and restaurants, CBS News reports.
The plot, uncovered earlier this year, involved the simultaneous poisoning of food served in hotels and restaurants across the U.S. over a single weekend. Two different poisons, ricin and cyanide, would be slipped into salad bars and buffets.
According to CBS, a "key intelligence source" confirmed that the threat was "credible." So credible, in fact, that the DHS, Department of Agriculture and the FDA briefed key security officers in the hotel and restaurant industries about the attack.
Officials believe that those behind the plot may be tied to the Yemeni-based al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). In October, AQAP attempted a cargo bombing scheme, in which explosives were placed in two packages shipped to Chicago addresses.
"Was Muslim ice cream truck driver Yasser Hassan planning to serve urine popsicles to non-Muslim Philadelphia area kids? Its not clear, but Hussein was drunk driving his ice cream truck in the area and police found at least one bottle of frozen urine in the refrigerator that was used to store ice cream sold to children."
"Five individuals were arrested amid a probe into food poisoning at Fort Jackson U.S. military base, Fox News reported on Thursday (EST).
Sources told Fox the five men were detained in December over allegations that they attempted to poison the food supply at the South Carolina base.
They were all part of the base's Arabic translation training program, referred to in the Army as "Lima 09".
"Each of them uses Arabic as his first language," one source told Fox News.
In an earlier report, before the arrests emerged, a military source told Fox News the suspects were Muslims.
If I could find then, 5 examples of Christians tampering with food, would you no longer frequent establishments that employ Christians?
You place your trust where you like and I'll place my trust where I like.
And I don't trust muslims.
Christians do not persue an institutional, worldwide jihad against non-Christians.
Great Post, BTTT!
Thank you! I appreciate that.
Reposted from Threat Matrix thread - noted "foreign accents not specified". Since the meat "never showed up," where is it and WHO are the men with foreign accents?
Snips: The FBI found a common thread to the scam: drivers and dispatchers with foreign accents, fake trucking company records and loads of meat that never showed up.
The thieves convinced transportation companies they were experienced haulers who could truck beef, pork and cheese from Texas, Idaho and Kansas facilities and drive them to their destinations, according to an ongoing FBI investigation.
On Aug. 18, a man with a subtle accent who said he was a dispatcher with Gary Costin Trucking of Brea, Calif., called Redline. The caller provided Redline representatives with phone and fax numbers and two references without last names, court records show.
When Redline officials called the references, a man in Illinois and another in Oregon both with subtle accents vouched for the dispatcher, according to the affidavit.
Redline obtained a faxed copy of the liability insurance certificate from an Orange, Calif., agency and spoke to someone there who also had a heavy foreign accent, the document said.
That’s quite an impressive number, considering there are millions of Muslims living and working in America.
“There seem to indeed be a number of people here willing to condemn all Muslims, even their fellow citizens, even those serving in our armed forces or as first responders. I have a feeling though that they wont mind if their heart surgeon turns out to be Muslim.”
I would ask for another doctor.
Sorry. I will NEVER trust a Muslim, ever.
Not if he’s a “fellow citizen”.
Not as a first responder.
Not even as a member of the military.
Again, sorry. I openly apologize for my prejudice. But sometimes prejudices are based on reality and experience.
You are free to call me whatever you wish. It will not change my mind, nor what I believe, nor what I feel I must say regarding such matters.
Islam is the antithesis of everything that our freedom represents. It is the dark to our light. It is the slavery that would overthrow our liberty.
And those who identify and embrace it can not — can never — be trusted or truly regarded as being “of us”.
No. They are “of Muhammed”.
Never. Any adherent to a religion which has a text mandating the lying to unbelievers in order to forward the “faith”; dictates the death of Jews; and mandates that all non-believers be either converted (at the tip of a blade if necessary), enslaved or murdered, is an individual that would NEVER trust enough with my vote.
That “faith” is the only “religion” which I do not trust. I refuse to ever trust any individual which chooses to follow that “faith”.
We already have one.
Would you vote for one?
The short answer is NO!
The long answer is HELL NO!
Note: This thread is from 11/23/2007-—Black Fryday...
Oh, sorry, it popped up somewhere, and I didn’t notice that.
A great big chunk of YOUR ass is missing too????
You would lose that bet. Express your "feelings" for yourself.
That’s exactly what a “feeling” is, another word for suspicion, hunch, opinion, etc. And I stand by it.
The uninformed are wrong all of the time.
Did you read the other post to you about muzzie doctors?
If not you ought to. If so you are crazy.
I’ve forgotten more about this topic than you’ll ever learn. Ain’t it interesting that no major conservative voice agrees with you on this? Not even Michael Savage. Maybe David Duke.
That statement says everything about your ignorance.
It is a shame so many of the new FReepers came from liberal sites.
You really need to face the fact that not a single leading conservative—going back to Reagan — believed in or believes in the kind of discrimination you advocate. You’re free to believe what you like, but you can’t deny the fact that you’re in a really small minority.
“Could a person who HONESTLY and OPENLY calls himself a Muslim be President of the USA?”
I believe Obama answered that question in his autobiography when he basically stated that “when an ill wind blows, I will stand with the Muslims”. The book was out before the election. He was elected. Therefore, there could be (there IS) a Muslim president.
I am not politically correct, a liar or a wussie OR in a small minority.
Sorry if a little frank honesty bursts your wee bubble but tough luck if you think you are going to find a bunch of bleeding heart liberals here.
Maybe you ought to head up to Zuccotti Park.
My, you’re getting aggitated! Actually, I really believe that a huge percentage of Freepers would reject your premise, that an American Muslim doctor,’surgeon, or other specialist should not be trusted. I thank God for the excellent Muslim health prefessionals back in Dearborn who gave my family care over the years.
Agitated? You aren’t too perceptive either; a typical liberal trait. Y’all are more into projecting your own “feelings”.
Good luck with your love of muzzies.
I learned everything I need to know about this murderous sixth century cult of child molesters and wife beaters on 9/11. Did you notice that the vast majority of people on this thread agree with me and not you? If you are unable to count them and ask me pretty please I could do a tally for you. Nah, I’m not going to do your legwork for you.
BTW, did you ever bother to read MamaDearest’s post# 80?
Oh, no doubt your pals on this thread all agree with you. And I find it so precious that you’re so insecure in your believe as to need to call them over. There’s plenty to criticize about radical Islam and Muslim extremists are my enemy. But the hateful threads about honest Muslim Americans represent a dark hole stain at FR.
That’s about all I have to say on this for now. You and your buds are free to yimmer yammer on.
What are you, in third grade?
I ping one person who vocally disagreed with you and one who posted a response that you apparently couldn’t comprehend. Do you want me to explain Post# 80 to you?
Simply because you support a bunch of murderous savages doesn’t mean that very many others on FR do and if you are too liberal to understand that then it is your shortcoming. More proof that you are on the wrong site.
Posting to you is no different than showing a chicken a card trick. Neither you or the chicken have the mental acumen to get it.
RE: I believe Obama answered that question in his autobiography when he basically stated that when an ill wind blows, I will stand with the Muslims.
I don’t call this HONEST and OPEN ( IF Obama is indeed Muslim ).
An honest and open Muslim politician running for president would openly declare that he believes in the Koran, Allah and Mohammad being His prophet.
What did Obama give us? He said OPENLY that he believes in Jesus Christ and prays to Him.
Here he is in his own words:
My Christian faith then has been a sustaining force for me over these last few years, all the more so when Michelle and I hear our faith questioned from time to time,
Except that, before he said “my CHRISTIAN faith”, he said “my MUSLIM faith”, and only when Stephanopoulus corrected him.
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