Skip to comments.Could there be a Muslim president? (Would you vote for one?)
Posted on 01/15/2012 10:25:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
With the New Hampshire primaries behind the GOP and South Carolina on the horizon, Mitt Romney seems the likely presidential candidate. Perhaps surprisingly, Romneys Mormonism has yet to be a major stumbling block, and as time passes it doesnt appear that it will become a hindrance.
But lets consider another question. Could America vote for a Muslim?
Say a Muslim arrived on the scene with powerful and equitable ideas and challenged the status quo. Perhaps doubts are cast that a Muslim could actually become president, but the same was once said about Catholics and people of color.
One stumbling block to the potential Muslim candidate would be that many people think America is a Christian nation. At one time even this would have been questioned. If you had said to the predecessors to what would become the United States that America is a Puritan nation they likely would have agreed.
Simply put, there very well could come a day when a president who prays to Allah sits in the Oval Office. As Christian privilege slowly erodes due to tidal waves of globalization and pluralism, Americas hope is that religious differences will not erode but become respected. This is thanks in large part to the Constitution.
Just this week the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously upheld a lower court order striking down an Oklahoma constitutional amendment that would prevent state courts from considering Sharia law. The decision is based not on respect for Muslim tradition, but rather for the First Amendment -- the same First Amendment that protected Baptists early in the American experience.
If anyone should be the greatest allies with Muslims in America, it is Baptists. Yet time after time many Baptists lead the charge against religious differences, even at the risk of harming their own self-interest. Many Baptists have kowtowed to political power in order to protect their power and privilege, in the process sacrificing their prophetic voice.
As Roger Williams stated in The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution for Cause of Conscience, the blood of so many hundred thousand souls of Protestants and papists, spilled in the wars of present and former ages for their respective consciences, is not required nor accepted by Jesus Christ the Prince of Peace.
A truly Christian nation not only imposes no formal religion on its citizens but also fosters freedom to express ones own conscience Muslim, Mormon or whatever.
-- Zachary Bailes is an M.Div. student at Wake Forest University Divinity School. He is editor of Those Crazy Liberals
and Conservatives and a contributor for Progressive Christian Alliance .
The author of the article speaks about our Constitutional freedom of religion. Yes, we do have the freedom to believe as we choose.
However, the Muslim "religion" is based on forcing others to adopt the same beliefs, be subjugated, or be murdered. At some point, their freedom has to be curbed.
I have freedom of speech here in the United States, too. However, that freedom does not extend to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, now, does it?
We already have one. I did not vote for him.
Only when prompted to "correct" himself.
Okay, yeah, a bit over the top.
Won’t vote for him though.
I would not vote for a muslim,
I would not vote for a RINO mormon,
I would not vote for a ghetto organizer,
I would not eat green eggs and ham.
I would go to war against one!
I will not eat any more green eggs and ham, right way right I am.
All muslims who obey the Koran lie.
We won’t eat in a place owned by a muslim.
We won’t eat in a place where muslims work.
We won’t patronize any business where we see muslims employed.
We wouldn’t vote for any muslim seeking any elective office.
We didn’t vote for the muslim currently in the White House and surely won’t vote for the next one who runs for president.
RE: Only when prompted to “correct” himself.
Obama: “My Muslim Faith”
Not sure if we can use this against him. Sarah Palin was known to have made a similar gaffe when she said : ‘We’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies’
I am not going to hold it against her for a small mistake like this. Therefore, I have to be fair to Obama. I can’t use that gaffe as PROOF that he is a Muslim either.
RE: We wont eat in a place where muslims work.
Would you work in a place where Muslims work?
Most that voted for Obama were fooled into thinking he wasn’t a Muslim follower, and the Obama campaign got real upset when people even used his middle name, Hussein.
Nowadays I think most of America, the left right and center do fully know now about his “Muslim faith”.
He will come out of the closet and start going to the mosque in his 2nd term if reelected.
One of those in your face things muzzies do.
They're intent on running countries, even leaving America to make sure of it (while America continues to import more of them).
The October al Qaeda video shows a light-skinned man handing out food to families displaced by famine in Somalia. But the masked man is not Somali or even African -- he's a Wisconsin native who grew up in San Diego.
A handful of young Muslims from the U.S. are taking high-visibility propaganda and operational roles inside an al Qaeda-linked insurgent force in Somalia known as al-Shabab. While most are from Minnesota, which has the largest Somali population in the nation, al-Shabab members include a Californian and an Alabaman with no ancestral ties to Somalia.
I didn’t vote for the One.
It’s an oldie but a goodie. I learned everything I need to know about Muslims on 9/11. So...NO!
“Could a person who HONESTLY and OPENLY calls himself a Muslim be President of the USA?”
Not with my vote.
RE: Its an oldie but a goodie. I learned everything I need to know about Muslims on 9/11. So...NO!
There are over a billion Muslims on this planet. Surely you are not going to tar and feather everyone of them because of a handful of fanatics...
Only if I wanted to destroy our nation!
Accord to islams command of taqueria(sp.) a muslim could only openly and honestly identify “Himself” (No female allowed to rule under islam) after all had submitted to islam first.
How big is a handful?
I would say they are millions of handfuls!
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Our first Muslim president has assured us that America is no longer that.
Yes. I could certainly vote for a Muslim candidate who supported principles of political, religious, and economic freedom.
I didn’t in 2008...why would I consider it now?
What do you think is sitting in the White Hut now? A Baptist?
There is one and I did not.
There seem to indeed be a number of people here willing to condemn all Muslims, even their fellow citizens, even those serving in our armed forces or as first responders. I have a feeling though that they won’t mind if their heart surgeon turns out to be Muslim.
50,000 already did in NH this past Tuesday night...50,000 in a state with only one million people...
Muslims don’t believe in separation of church and state, so No!
Quote from Barack Obamas book, Dreams Of My Father:
"THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, THOUGH, WAS MY [half brother], ROY..HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM".
From Dreams of my Father, "IN INDONESIA, I SPEND TWO YEARS AT A MUSLIM SCHOOL" "..I STUDIED THE KORAN.."
From Audacity of Hope: "LOLO (Obamas step father) FOLLOWED ISLAM...."I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE".
From The Audacity Of Hope, "I WILL STAND WITH THEM (MUSLIMS) SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS OF WAR SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION.." . Go to The Obama File http://www.theobamafile.com/index.htm by our own FReeper, Beckwith.
Read the sections, Religion and Islam.
The evidence is overwhelming.
The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials.
. Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on earth, in an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times. Kristof described Obamas recitation of the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, with a first-class [Arabic] accent.
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah I witness that there is no god but Allah I witness that Muhammad is his prophet...
According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslims complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.
His biological father was a Muslim.
His stepfather was a Muslim.
As a child Barry was enrolled in school as a Muslim in Jakarta Indonesia.
Barack Hussein 0bamas first and middle names are Arabic Muslim names.
0bama recited the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer, which includes a vow of fidelity to Islam, in flawless Arabic on a radio program. - Nikolos Kristoff, NYTs, 3-06-07
On that same program he said he thinks the call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on earth.
0bama belonged to Rev. Wrights (a former Muslim) church for twenty years. Many congregants are Muslims.
0bama said that the U.S. is one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.
0bama holds Muslim celebrations in the WH but canceled the National Day of Prayer.
President 0bamas religious adviser, Eboo Patel, once deemed the United States the ideal place for the renewal of Islam.
0bama falsely attributes Muslim participation in the founding of America.
0bama required that the cross be covered when he gave a speech at Notre Dame.
Christian symbol covered up during Obamas Georgetown speech
0bamas first major speech in office was a Muslim outreach speech in Cairo Egypt.
The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim, said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV.
0bama gave strong support to the Cordoba House community center and mosque to be built at the Ground Zero site of Sep. 11, 2001 at a dinner celebrating the days end of the first day of Ramadan at the WH.
0bama tasked NASA with a mission of Muslim outreach.
0bama referred to his faith as my Muslim faith in an interview with George Stephanopolous.
Obama admits hes a Muslim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY
. Obama appoints Muslims to key security posts: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134466
. Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul Gheit said he had a one-on-one meeting with Obama, where Obama told him that He was still a Muslim, and that he was sympathetic towards the Muslim agenda.
In 2001, Obama sponsored Illinois Senate Bill 750 creating the Halal Food Act, providing for inspections by the Department of Agriculture to ensure that all food labeled Halal is prepared according to Islamic law. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB0750.html
This act plays into Islamization. Heres how it works and how Halal food plays a role:
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves along with threats for failure to comply (United States)
Go to The Obama File http://www.theobamafile.com/index.htm by Beckwith.
Read the Religion section: http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaReligion.htm
and Islam: http://www.theobamafile.com/_Islam/ObamaIslamIndex.htm
The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials. http://www.theobamafile.com/LibraryOfCongress.html
10 Quotes By Barack Obama About Islam Contrasted With 10 Quotes By Barack Obama About Christianity The Truth ^ | 7/7/11
10 Quotes By Barack Obama About Islam
#1 "Islam has always been part of America"
#2 "we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities"
#3 "These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islams role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings."
#4 "America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."
#5 "So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed"
#6 "Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality"
#7 "As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith."
#8 "I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month."
#9 "That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."
#10 "I also know that Islam has always been a part of America's story."
10 Quotes By Barack Obama About Christianity
#1 "Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation"
#2 "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation."
#3 "Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?"
#4 "Even those who claim the Bible's inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages - the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ's divinity - are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life."
#5 "The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics."
#6 From Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope: "I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sexnor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount."
#7 "I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can't imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That's just not part of my religious makeup."
#8 "Those opposed to abortion cannot simply invoke Gods will--they have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths."
#9 On his support for civil unions for gay couples: "If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount."
#10 "I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."
Not if there was any other way to survive.
His standard business practices included lying. I was even on a conference call with him, and a government agency, and he lied to them. I assume this was a learned culture in his home country. I can't imagine voting for some one from the same culture.
We already have one. Are you happy with Obama?
Snip: Out of the 10 different religious groups the students belonged to, Muslims were the most likely to believe they had a right to conscientiously object.
But even in hospitals where they do not predominate, Muslim doctors are starting to demonstrate behavior toward non-Muslim patients that is beyond alarming. On December 1, 2003, Joe Applebaum was admitted to Rush North Shore Medical Center, a major hospital in Chicago. He was stricken with an acute (or distended) abdomena swelling of the stomach that is easily diagnosed and treated. But it was never treated by anyone at the hospital. For 12 hours, Joe Applebaum was left aloneleft to die, which he did the next day.
A Jewish man, he was identified as a Jew on the front page of his medical chart. The chief resident doctor assigned to treat Mr. Applebaum, Osama Ahmed Ibrahim, MD, sure noticed the religious notation on Applebaums chart. And it appears that this is why he never once checked or examined this emergency patient, Mr. Applebaum, and left him to die. When another doctor at the hospital finally examined Mr. Applebaumnot his assigned doctor, Dr. Ibrahim, he told Applebaums son, Michael, to say good-bye to his father because he was about to die.
Dr. Ibrahim, is a Muslim from Birmingham, Englanda hotbed of Islamic radicalism and terror planning. It is breeding ground for anti-Semitic hate. He is a graduate of Ain Shams University Medical School in Egypt. This extremist school featured on its faculty the father of Al-Qaeda mastermind and number two, Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri. Pere Zawahiri was a Muslim Brotherhood activist.
Muslim doctorsespecially those from foreign medical schools deep in the world of anti-Semitic, anti-American hate; but many from here, toohave backgrounds that are incompatible with the basic level of care that is required and expected in America. Sadly, no-one is vetting them out of our healthcare system. And no-one will.
But we know that there are many doctors whove been at the forefront of taking livesnot saving themin the name of the Religion of Peace:
No, and for most if not all the reasons listed in these comments. I do believe that our actions at this time will determine whether we win or lose and if we lose we have lost the future. With the 80 thousand muslims being brought in this year, the ones we already have, the illegals coming in the southern border, the illegal muslims coming in from Canada, these will continue to multiply like rabbits. Then we see how our children and grand children are being taught and indoctrinized at school, TV, political correctness, and that the socialist prefer muslims because they are a segment of the population that adapts well to living under tyrants. I believe we will have a muslim president of the 57 states of of the new caliphate, amerika. I do believe we have one now, he’s just not so open about it. If we don’t get it stopped now we will have another one.
We very likely have one now—or at least one born a Muslim with Muslim sympathies.
This was obviously a trick question.
Most of them cab drivers from Minneapolis' 5th district represented by Keith Ellison.
Don’t we have one now? Or did he simply become an atheist like his mother and his alleged father?
Er, history much? There were Puritan areas in New England, but not universally, especially not by the 18th century. The rest of the country, especially the culturally and economically dominant South, had few or none. I'll grant you pockets of Presbyterianism. But overall, the Anglicans ruled, and there was no serious question about this that I have ever read. As far as I know, the purpose of the 1-A was for the Methodists, Baptists, Quakers, and so on to keep them from making it official.
Hard to imagine, Western Civilization, giving way to the madness that owns this religion. But; hey they are patient; and they are making progress. (Have only to look at BHO; to get a feeling, for America; and to appreciate what 'political correctness' CAN do. . .to any mind.
We now have in place in our White House; all elements of the worst of those you mention, that America fought wars for - and against.) And this disaster is celebrated. . .