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Is Ron Paul the New Lyndon LaRouche?
Commentary Magazine ^ | 1/5/2012 | Michael Rubin

Posted on 01/15/2012 11:28:12 PM PST by Republican Wildcat

Lyndon LaRouche was a prolific writer who developed a cult-like following and eight times, between 1976 and 2004, sought the presidency, seven times for the Democratic ticket. He wrote and spoke often about the economy and spun wild conspiracy theories. For example, he said Queen Elizabeth was a drug dealer. The Nation’s Bob Dreyfuss, a LaRouche acolyte who dedicated his first book to his former boss and had it published by LaRouche’s publisher, argued in it that Bernard Lewis, perhaps the most influential living historian of the Middle East, was a nefarious force behind Ayatollah Khomeini and Iran’s Islamic Revolution.

LaRouche achieved a particularly loyal following among college students. He anchored enough of his writing in fact that the 30 percent or so that was pure bunk became, for the gullible or willingly blind, believable. His writings adhered to the idea that falsehoods spoken with conviction and precision became credible. Like Ron Paul, he certainly was consistent in his willingness to believe the worst motivations of government officials or his opponents. While LaRouche reached the pinnacle of his influence in the pre-internet age, he managed to spread his conspiracies not only through teaching classes, but also through myriad pamphlets, leaflets, and newspapers. LaRouche is still around, of course, but a conviction for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax code violations has undercut his credibility among the young and disaffected enough so that he has returned to purely marginal status.

Into the vacuum left by LaRouche came Ron Paul. Without doubt, some of what Paul says makes sense. Americans are concerned with tremendous government waste and the intrusion of nanny-state governance into our daily lives. But, on foreign policy and defense, Paul supplements his isolationism with the same mold of conspiracy as LaRouche. Many of “the Bush lied, Americans died, Cheney led a secret cabal” conspiracies which Paul’s followers—if not Dr. Paul himself—seize upon have their origins with LaRouche acolytes like Dreyfuss or former Pentagon official and congressional candidate Karen Kwiatkowski, who seemingly hopped from the LaRouche bandwagon to Paul’s. Paul may not publish so many newsletters any more—with good reason—but his followers have certainly taken full advantage of cyberspace to connect imaginary dots and weave creative conspiracies that put the old LaRouchites and even Maxine Waters to shame.

The Iowa Caucus results suggest Paul has peaked. Good conspiracies never die, however. Paul has become the Lyndon LaRouche of the 21st century, an increasingly marginal figure with a disproportionately poisonous and vocal following, one which will never win elections, but will satisfy itself by spinning wild conspiracy theories and trolling comments pages on internet news sites for decades to come.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911truther; freepers4mitt; larouche; larouchies; libertarians; lyndonlarouche; randpaultruthfile; ronpaul; ronpaulbashing; ronpaultruthfile; rupaul; skinheadkeywords; smellthefear
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1 posted on 01/15/2012 11:28:17 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

Maybe more like the new Ross Perot?

Except I think Ross Perot had a sane foreign policy.


2 posted on 01/15/2012 11:38:26 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Back in the 1970’s Paul was seen as great conservative.

Rand Paul pointed out in an appearance recently that his father was one of only four Republican members of Congress to endorse Ronald Reagan over Gerald Ford in 1976.

Paul was rated one of the most conservative members of the House back some 30 or so years ago along with fellow Texas member Dick Armey.

Paul is opposing the foreign policy establishment just like he did in the 1970’s when they pushed detente with the Soviets.

Today the foreign policy makers value a New World Order and fight limited wars.

I support our troops in Afghanistan but its pretty obvious the enemy there is backed by Pakistani elements that aren’t being defeated on the battlefield.

Paul argues against the wars but comes off as the anti-war nut who supports America’s enemies.

That hurts him but his heart is still against the political establishment and their schemes to increase our national debt and fight limited wars under international rules and authority.

I would vote for Newt in SC, but Paul is capturing hearts and Sarah Palin says we can’t ignore his voters.


3 posted on 01/15/2012 11:38:43 PM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Well duh. I’ve been pointing out the similarities between the Paulistinians and the LaRoushis for a long time.


4 posted on 01/15/2012 11:40:12 PM PST by Doug Loss
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To: Republican Wildcat

With the proportional delegate scheme the GOP is using this year, Lyndon LaRouche II has a fairly decent shot at winning. Do not underestimate this 911 Truther to be as incompetent as LaRouche. He has a plan and may take over the convention no matter that the outcome for the other candidates is.

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/elections/delegates-may-give-ron-paul-clout/article_02ccaa26-866b-5093-9ec0-c91ce077f7a8.html#ixzz1jEyw2QWg


5 posted on 01/16/2012 12:00:47 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
This is where the Ron Paul movement is ultimately headed:

6 posted on 01/16/2012 12:03:59 AM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
For example, he said Queen Elizabeth was a drug dealer...

Not sure where this is quoted, but either the author or LaRouche himself is rusty on his english monarchs. It was on Victoria's watch that there was rampant English importation of opium into China, protected by Her Majesty's navy, and the subsequent boxer rebellion.
7 posted on 01/16/2012 12:07:35 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Nextrush

“That hurts him but his heart is still against the political establishment and their schemes to increase our national debt and fight limited wars under international rules and authority.”

I think if Paul could make that argument more effectively, it would do him a lot of good: that he’s not against all wars but against poorly executed, limited ones that don’t have the full national backing needed for a massive engagement and a decisive victory. I think that’s his point. And he’s right.


8 posted on 01/16/2012 12:11:38 AM PST by quesney
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To: Republican Wildcat
LaRouche??? Maybe...

LaDouche??? DEFINATELY!!!

9 posted on 01/16/2012 12:13:22 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (No Jesus, No Peace! Know Jesus, Know Peace!)
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To: Republican Wildcat
This essay proves that neocons hate Paul.

So what's new?

10 posted on 01/16/2012 12:53:47 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: SpaceBar
THE CHINESE OPIUM WARS: The Queen of England Pushes Dope

Interesting article about the "queen" comment.
11 posted on 01/16/2012 1:16:40 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Republican Wildcat
Funny. Like a clown. I began calling him Lyndon LaRuepaul just last week.
12 posted on 01/16/2012 1:31:20 AM PST by GreensKeeperWillie
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To: Republican Wildcat

In my opinion, conspiracy theorizing hacks like Larouche, and Paul have much credibility. Through the scope of hindsight, what they have spoken of, has not only come to pass, but has been seen as mainstream news. NOW we call them nuts, but they are and were right about the course of history.


13 posted on 01/16/2012 1:49:58 AM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Lyndon’s still breathing, isn’t he? What do we need a new one for.


14 posted on 01/16/2012 3:10:07 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Went TDY to the Pentagon to teach a few times. Couldn’t get over that they allowed the LaRouche alcolytes to set up on the steps leading to the entrances and pass out the commie tracts.


15 posted on 01/16/2012 4:03:38 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Republican Wildcat

For example, he said Queen Elizabeth was a drug dealer.

She was. The US federal government government is involved in dealing drugs and gun smuggling. Everyone but the writer apparently knows this.


16 posted on 01/16/2012 4:43:51 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Nextrush

Given that we haven’t managed to actually win a war since 1945 (with the possible exception of Grenada) why is there so much surprise that an anti-going to war feeling is gaining traction in this country???


17 posted on 01/16/2012 4:47:05 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: quesney
These are not my words, but those of a poster over on the NR website. But they are so damn true:

"Winning the war...." march in, kill the bad guys, march out.

Oh wait.

Dither for a while about who the bad guys are, march in, kill the bad guys, march out.

Oh wait.

Evaluate collateral damage. Decide who the bad guys are. March in. Gather and evacuate the collateral damage. Kill the bad guys. March out.

Oh wait.

Have an argument about "concentration camps." Have an argument about right and wrong. Have an argument about force versus diplomacy. Have an argument about freedom of religion. Have an argument about America's place in the world.

Oh wait.

Forget it. Whine that no one likes us. Eat more cake.

18 posted on 01/16/2012 4:53:49 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Everyone here realizes that Lyndon Laruche was a commie right? I’m not a fan of Ron Paul, but comparing him to a communist? No, not a good comparison....


19 posted on 01/16/2012 5:03:22 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: SpaceBar
According to LaRouche back in the 70's, QE II wasn't just a drug dealer; she was the World Dope Overlord, and only LaRouche was standing between the Queen and her nefarious conspirators and world domination.

As I recall from my college and grad school years in the 70's, left wing splinter groups, largely offshoots of the student radicalism of the period, were appearing and disappearing faster than one could keep track of them. Most of them may not have amounted to more than a dozen grad students with a mimeograph machine, but they seemed to have plenty of money to travel, and to publish obscure, mostly short-lived journals. It's a sociologically interesting phenomenon; ordinary political movements don't behave that way. The 70's radicals made today's libertarians look like consensus builders.

I've always supposed this reflex towards rabid factionalism had something to do with the Stalinist and conspiratorialist roots of so many of the red diaper babies who made up the leadership of the movement. The old lefty traditions of authoritarian control of a centralized party line dies hard. The style became internalized and still infects the left. There is still a dividing line between democratically inclined liberals, who are willing to accept a diversity of viewpoints, and leftist dogmatists who have a great deal of difficulty accepting any real political pluralism.

Anyhow ... I've always wondered where LaRouche gets his money. Does anyone have any insight into his financing?

20 posted on 01/16/2012 5:03:45 AM PST by sphinx
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